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Last of us 2 director responds to internet hate
- Thread starter Toriko
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You know what you do in that situation? Ban. That's the main problem around here. Lots of people who clearly are here just to generate discord and nothing happens with them.
lol I think you misunderstood me here,I thought you didnt see the sales number or something my bad.
You're right, you really get the views - on your ad-free videos - from the punters on videos about industry malpractice.
In fact, I reckon that's probably the most popular type of YouTube gaming content.
Really bang on the meme right there.
The same group wants to both praise them and hate them. It's easier to get more people behind you with the latter so that's what they went with.
If you have to ask sounds like the answer is yes. I'm starting to be really uncomfortable being here.
I feel for them and I'm sure it's not been easy for either of them throughout the years. That being said, I don't know how to read this tweet without it seeming incredibly dismissive at druckmann for not rolling/being okay with a very bad joke that was about killing him.
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We have a lot of the toxic haters on these forums, look at the thread on ND contacting one reviewer about a review, 1000+ posts where every page is filled with hateful crap aimed at ND/Druckmann/Sony hidden behind non-genuine grievances about this conduct.
Yeah, I think that's what really sticking out from discussions here, just them not even trying to calm it down. Like the thread about if currentND could make a platformer nowadays, was a few comments basically saying "no because Druckmann", even people going as far as saying fuck Druckmann because of it, despite him being a designer back when ND moved on from platformers. Yet they do such a good job stamping out shit like "lazy devs".
I don't get it. Where is this coming from? Someone made a joke, took it down and Druckmann thanked them for it and recognised there was no ill intention. No drama, they just both acknowledged the misunderstanding. So what prompted that reaction?
He makes topical videos, thats his schtick, nothing wrong with it. But you willfully denying it is being laughably obtuse or disingenuous.
The Insomniac thread from this morning about the colluding from 10 years ago became about Druckmann when he was just a writer for Uncharted 2.
It's difficult without spoilers. Something happens to a character that made non alt-right people freak the fuck out and send massive amounts of hate because they're used to playing games with shitty stories that pander to the lowest common denominator and don't take any risks whatsoever.
It's a good amount to do with what you said, but saying anything else on the other aspects would spoil the game.
It's not just queer people. It's the importance placed on women and other minorities compared to straight white males
The problem is that people on the right will attack you for including LGBTQ themes and diversity, but people on the left will also attack if you get it wrong.
Obviously the alt-right attacks are a completely different category because they are more violent and disingenuous, but even when people on the left have legitimate problems with representation or execution of themes, the default tactic is "wowwww this is trash fuck you!!!"
Like, I dunno, why does everyone have to be so heated? ND made a good-faith effort to center queer and diverse characters and it might not be perfect, but I've seen so many people who are calling for more diversity jump down ND's throat because they didn't do it just right and they're a big successful corporation.
I mean, I'm not really being obtuse or disingenuous. You don't need to be rude.
I don't think Jim did that video because he was just after clicks and drama, it was very, very apparent to anyone who watched the video that this is a subject he takes very seriously and holds very dear to himself. That's the video we're talking about. Not just some notion of Sterling as a person.That's the comment of mine you chose to reply to, a comment about a video he just made and not some nebulous idea of Mr. Negative.
Some people are angry because of where they taken the stories of some of the characters from the previous game
Some dislike the structure or just the story period for perfectly valid reasons
Some people think the diversity in the game is just tokenism/woke points and does a disservice to its minority characters
Add the controversy about ND's crunch culture and the already controversial Neil Druckmann saying dumb shit on Twitter + years and years of narrative about him being a control freak who's personally in charge of the crunch and forces his staff to watch snuff films and got Amy Hennig and Bruce Straley fired from ND and it's like a perfect storm where everyone has an axe to grind with the game
Not everyone is happy about how their group is being represented by the game: https://www.pastemagazine.com/games...i/the-last-of-us-part-ii-cisgender-voyeurism/
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When it comes to the toxic response from alt right morons, it's a mix of the game having LGTBQ representation, a muscular female character and a controversial early plot point that had been known since the leaks.
Damn, is it that bad?
People are trash, especially those alt-rights.
User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing harassment & death threats; prior severe ban for victim blaming around sexual assault.
Sony and Naughty Dog are for profit corporations that can wake up in the morning without having to to worry about police officers murdering them due to the color of their skin. Go clutch your pearls for something that fucking matters.
Being invested in the characters is normal. Sending hate messages because of story beats is absolutely ridiculous, and if this was supposed to be expected behavior, maybe we need to fucking change things by having more stories that subvert expectations.
I'd thought I'd seen everything after being a part of a pretty intense TV fandom for 10 years, turns out your regular gamer is so much worse.
It's coming from all angles. You have the bigot crew and some gamergate like losers in the fold who attached themselves to false narratives about SJW cuck umad garbo, you have weirdos who are obsessed with their father figure from the first game not fucking clickers to death with his 10inch dick, strong female characters and then - the worst possible sin - being wildly successful anyways.
It's the same weird brain function you see in dumbass Trumpers all over the country when presented with clear evidence that they are being bent sideways over his policies. They have attached ALL MEANING in their little sad pathetic lives to hating a thing and being righteous and heard and correct in that hate. Any calm conversation or explanation gets shouted down cause if they admit they are all being fuckin children who can't read/watch/hear a story and separate themselves from said characters then half their existing world view immediately crumbles to racist, sexist, and most importantly WRONG ways of seeing the world.
Can't possibly be wrong. That would be just the worst thing ever. So they dig in their heels and start shouting about the jews or muscles or whatever.
It's not just a single thing, no matter how bad they might want to make it. The mental gymnastics you need to do to attempt and see things through these peoples eyes would break most backs.
Didn't someone use a fake account to make claims about Neil harassing an emploey? The people attack the actres was sad to hear
Oh I thought this about a month before the game released. It is just constantly ramping up more and more. While I think ND deserves to be dragged for some real core issues going on. The amount of vitriol that a ton of members on this site get away with has pretty much reached the point where I seriously hate trying to read any topic remotely related to ND.
Shit, was writing a reply to that post but yeah, it's this.
People have legitimate criticisms and issues with the game itself but they're not the ones spewing hate, abuse and vitriol all over the internet.
This is some real oppression Olympics nonsense. You should feel bad about posting such insipid garbage.
People can care about more than one thing. It's pretty easy, actually.
Another user that's a-okay with people receiving death threats and anti-semitic comments.
People photoshopped a picture to make it seem like Neil Sexually harassed Laura Bailey and then accused him of it.
It's absolutely disgusting. I don't care how much you don't like something in a game, there is never a reason to threaten the devs or send constant hate their way. Civil discussions with respect towards one another are fine, but so many people aren't even trying that. I hate how people are sometimes.
Era isn't innocent in this either, Druckmann and ND have been getting some undue levels of hate from some posters
Era isn't innocent in this either, Druckmann and ND have been getting some undue levels of hate from some posters
I have legit critics of the pacing (which i've now decided is potentially done with purpose so you feel the same way Abby and Ellie both feel/look by the end of the game. Gotta play it again with this in mind) but i'm hesitant to say shit as it's just 100% worth it to be completely opposed to all these fuckin weirdos online in every way possible.
Trust me it's a bunch of nothing. The game is good and it's as good or better than anything Naughty Dog has done.
It's an evolution of their style of games.
So if you liked or disliked those, it's more of the same but improved.
The internet and social media were a mistake. You have to be really sick in the head to harass and threaten people over fictional characters in a video game. I just can't wrap my head around it, none of this madness and hate is justified. I've read many books and watched many movies and tv shows that have rubbed me off the wrong way when it comes to story, I just chuckled about them and moved on. No fictional work is worth losing your shit over.
I remember watching the final season of GoT and laughing hard at how hilariously bad the finale was. I watched it, and didn't talk about it much again except to family members and friends. You have to be a really sad and depraved human being to attach so much importance to fictional characters to the point that you are willing to verbally abuse and physically threaten real human beings over them. The gaming community and geek community in general really need to do some serious self-evaluation. I know a lot of this is political but politics alone doesn't explain the general toxicity and hate in the gaming community.
I remember watching the final season of GoT and laughing hard at how hilariously bad the finale was. I watched it, and didn't talk about it much again except to family members and friends. You have to be a really sad and depraved human being to attach so much importance to fictional characters to the point that you are willing to verbally abuse and physically threaten real human beings over them. The gaming community and geek community in general really need to do some serious self-evaluation. I know a lot of this is political but politics alone doesn't explain the general toxicity and hate in the gaming community.
You do know that ND is made up of people of all races and types right ?
Yeah. The only reason I'm bothering to post in this thread is due to it talking about the harassment that ND has been receiving, so hopefully the toxicity towards the game won't be as bad.
However that said I see people have now entered this thread calling innocent employees a "for profit corporation" as if it's their fault they receive hate based on where they work. Totally proving my suspicions it seems.