Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
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The victims were white, right? Let's use that, just call them "white people" and watch the judge lose his shit.
 

Tahnit

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Oct 25, 2017
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This judge is compromised. Prosecution needs to file for a mistrial and get a new judge.
 

Dyle

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Oct 25, 2017
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When is the generational shift of politicians and the judiciary going to reach critical mass? These old guys in these positions of power keep fucking progress up, its insane.
This guy is an elected judge, blame the idiots of Kenosha county who keep electing him
 

kukubrew

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Nov 7, 2017
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Well, this judge gaslit me enough that I think this Rittenhouse was a gentleman and a patriot defending the city from rioters. Case closed, give the boy a medal.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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He's been charged with felony homicide. How are the murdered parties not "victims"?

How is calling someone un-convicted of any of those actions a "rioter, looter, or arsonist" any different than calling the defendant a "murderer" in front of the jury? Do they lose due process because they can't defend themselves?
 

chiller

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What makes this so worse in my head is in order to protect Rittenhouse the judge is floating the idea that the people he killed deserved it. Or at the very least that said people "weren't saints", to quote the parlance.

Fucking disgraceful.

This is some Weimar Republic fascist favoritism sham-trial shit.
It's scary close.
 

Dis

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Oct 27, 2017
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Shit... A judge can't be this blatant and still not face consequences can they?

In America? Who knows if he'll even face a slap on the wrist. It's fucking wild just how far he's constantly pushing shit and if this doesn't end up being an appeal of some kind due to this trial being a sham at the hands of the corrupt judge I don't know what to say.
 

Senator Toadstool

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IT could be grounds for a mistrial and then a stern talking to maybe?
I don't believe a prosecution can go for another trial only defendants can. They might be able to get an interlocutory appeal for a higher judge to rule but those rules are for defendants

once your not guilty, you're not guilty. double jeopardy.

Is this federal or state? because if this fails the other can still go after though (separate sovereigns)
 

Volimar

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I hope someone "slips" and calls them victims so that the judge has to sit there and give the jury instructions to disregard the description.
 

DanGo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just wanted to add some more context here, rather than rely on a basic tweet:

Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyers can refer to the men he shot as "rioters" and "looters," but prosecutors still may not call them "victims" at any time during the teen's upcoming murder trial, a judge ruled Monday.

Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder cautioned the defense team against using pejorative terms during opening statements, but he said they could use them in their closing arguments if the evidence suggested the men engaged in criminal acts.

"He can demonize them if he wants, if he thinks it will win points with the jury," Schroeder said.
Schroeder indicated he would allow evidence of bad behavior that night by the men Rittenhouse shot because it could speak to how dangerous they would have seemed to the teen. Prosecutors failed to convince the judge that the defense wanted to sully Rosenbaum's reputation so the jury could more easily justify the shooting.
Schroeder also rejected the prosecution's request to block any evidence that local law enforcement provided water to vigilantes the night of the shooting and thanked them for their presence. In video taken before Rittenhouse fired his gun, officers in an armored vehicle tossed bottles of water to him and other armed civilians who were clearly violating the city's 8 p.m. curfew.

One officer can be heard on the recording expressing his gratitude to the group.

"We appreciate you guys," the officer said. "We really do."

"I'm concerned this is going to be turned into a trial over what law enforcement should or shouldn't have done that night," Binger said. "And I don't think that's what this court or this trial should be deciding."
The judge is definitely giving the defense 90% of what it wants while hamstringing the prosecution. Defense is going to be able to go all in saying at least some police appreciated Rittenhouse being there and that the victims were dangerous.
 

sangreal

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This was always a difficult prosecution and with the judge stacking everything against the prosecution, for dubious reasons, I think they will have no chance. Defense will show him as an angel volunteering to help out law enforcement who was attacked by rioters, for reasons the prosecution isn't allowed to explain, and killed them in self-defense
 
Oct 27, 2017
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They really want to play the F around and find out game. They let this kid get away with murder, especially playing dirty, and every protest needs every person armed to the teeth. I used to believe the events of the past several years/decades could be eventually solved peacefully. I no longer believe that. The next 2 years is going to be a nightmare in the US. I wish I could admit I'm being sensational, but I'm not.
 

Greg NYC3

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I don't believe a prosecution can go for another trial only defendants can. They might be able to get an interlocutory appeal for a higher judge to rule but those rules are for defendants

once your not guilty, you're not guilty. double jeopardy.

Is this federal or state? because if this fails the other can still go after though (separate sovereigns)
The prosecution can appeal if the judge makes rulings not grounded in law. The prosecution represents the public who also have rights that need to be protected. It's just very rare for prosecutors to take that step because judges are generally very careful about giving either side an opening to appeal their decisions.
 

TAJ

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It's amazing how every right-wing asshole thinks they'd stop an active shooter, yet when someone actually charges one they're glad when that person dies.
 

Sephzilla

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Yeah this judge is probably gonna get blowback for this, not to mention make the case for the appeals court way stronger
 

Greg NYC3

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They really want to play the F around and find out game. They let this kid get away with murder, especially playing dirty, and every protest needs every person armed to the teeth. I used to believe the events of the past several years/decades could be eventually solved peacefully. I no longer believe that. The next 2 years is going to be a nightmare in the US. I wish I could admit I'm being sensational, but I'm not.
Well part of the problem with this case is that Rittenhouse didn't work alone, the local police very clearly acted to funnel the protestors into the militia with the hope that someone would be killed. Since the prosecution doesn't want to touch that fact with a ten foot pole or hold the police accountable for their role in this murder the trial is going to be a joke.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well part of the problem with this case is that Rittenhouse didn't work alone, the local police very clearly acted to funnel the protestors into the militia with the hope that someone would be killed. Since the prosecution doesn't want to touch that fact with a ten foot pole or hold the police accountable for their role in this murder the trial is going to be a joke.
And escorted him to safety even when confessing with no arrest. Just an 'at a boy' and home he fucking went. Nothing to see here. Crossed state lines so he could practice self-defense with the help of cops.
 

Kill3r7

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Well part of the problem with this case is that Rittenhouse didn't work alone, the local police very clearly acted to funnel the protestors into the militia with the hope that someone would be killed. Since the prosecution doesn't want to touch that fact with a ten foot pole or hold the police accountable for their role in this murder the trial is going to be a joke.

I am not sure how a prosecutor would even begin to bring this up at trial without giving the defense an out.
 

PunchyMalone

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Meanwhile, Michael Reinoehl was never given a trial because the police executed him in the streets. Trump even bragged about putting a hit on him at his rallies.

The whole system is designed to protect these fascists.
 

Greg NYC3

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I am not sure how a prosecutor would even begin to bring this up at trial without giving the defense an out.
The defense is getting enough outs on its own. The entire system is designed to protect the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world and give them second chances. The best bet for justice here unfortunately is going to be civil trials where both he and the police can be taken to task for what they did.
 

Replicant

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He also has ruled the victims cannot be labeled "victims" in court. But as rioters and looters
 

LCGeek

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The defense is getting enough outs on its own. The entire system is designed to protect the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world and give them second chances. The best bet for justice here unfortunately is going to be civil trials where both he and the police can be taken to task for what they did.

Post dealing with all though charlotteville racists including spencer whose now ruined this should be the method if we can't get jail time.