Pretty sure he didn't put it on reddit, it got posted there are fans of the youtuber noticed it.
Kotaku: GW2 writers fired after Twitter argument. GG pressured firing.
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Pretty sure he didn't put it on reddit, it got posted there are fans of the youtuber noticed it.
Completely false. He immediately disengaged from the situation when she responded back.
Yeah. She does not seem like a particularly nice person at all. Also that tweet about TotalBiscuit.. sheesh. Not good form.
I feel more sorry for the youtuber who unintentionally got caught in this for a fairly innocuous remark.
I don't know if the GW2 Youtuber had a history with Price that provoked the response, but looking at it in that instance it seemed like an overreaction by Price given the kind of comments the Youtuber provided. The firing of her and the other employee is in turn a huge overreaction by ArenaNet.
Correct. Cut the bullshit. GG jumping on, white unfortunate, doesn't absolve her.
Obviously the reddit stuff after is bad but she has no one to blame but herself for getting fired. Replied in a AMA (whilst representing her company) to a very polite guy and was extremely rude to him. She wanted an argument and she got one.
If I responded to a client in my job the way she did I would expect to get fired
If I responded to a client in my job the way she did I would expect to get fired
Pretty much. If GG wasn't involved this wouldn't really be a discussion.
That said fuck GG they are like damn vultures.
Ah I gave Yongyea a click. :( You should put a warning on there.
Firing two people over these tweets, it's not like she threatened to kill someone.
Her whole response and act was downright pathetic and childish
Can't even think about working along someone like that, good riddance
Can't even think about working along someone like that, good riddance
Yeah, to his credit, he acted in good faith when he realized he had caused something he didn't intend and we absolutely should not be piling shit on him.
Looking through the Youtubers reply, I'm not actually seeing where he explains branching dialogue to her? He's discussing the merits of using branching dialogue in an MMO, not explaining how it works.
Price fueled gamergate and threw a stone at the fight for Equality in doing so. Her behavior was totally uncalled for and made no fucking sense. The youtuber guy was fucking sensible and tried to engage in a game design discussion by being extremey polite.
ANet fueled gamergate with the firings, yet, it seems inevitable. If i pulled something like this on my company, i'd get booted on the spot.
ANet fueled gamergate with the firings, yet, it seems inevitable. If i pulled something like this on my company, i'd get booted on the spot.
Please don't use terms like "sociopathic" when describing actions or behaviors that you don't agree with.
Even if you consider her response grossly out of line there are much better ways you can call it out without resorting to insinuations of actual mental health problems.
Yeah I'm not sure why people are blaming GG. This isn't the first time shes been caught doing something shitty. IIRC she was fired because of outrage on /r/GuildWars2 but KIA and GG didn't jump on until after they got fired.
This.
And anyone in here that pisses on Anet for handling this the way they did can just fuck off. They absolutely did the right thing.
What is wrong with Yongyea now? I thought he was a pretty cool guy?
So don't ask questions because its rude and used to undermine and harass. Particular groups of developers.
The mean reply is especially bad when you consider that MMO's thrive off community interaction with the developers. It's not fun to interact when you get attacked for sharing opinions.
Her excuse is that it was her personal page and that isn't the place to talk about it. Which 1. If you wanted it to be personal you would have it on private or 2. Just say, "hey I don't think Twitter is the right place for this conversation".
Her excuse is that it was her personal page and that isn't the place to talk about it. Which 1. If you wanted it to be personal you would have it on private or 2. Just say, "hey I don't think Twitter is the right place for this conversation".
Her being a feminist of course GG would jump on this and try to take credit, saying she was fired due to GG pressure though is just wrong. She was fired so fast, the story barely got out of the GW2 community by the time she was fired and most of the pressure at the time just came from GW2 players. What ArenaNet did is completely justifiable, and the fact that it aligned with what GG would have wanted(target being a woman) doesn't make it any less so.
Did you read the initial tweet? It wasn't an AMA, she just mentioned she talked about game dev on an AMA.
People give shit to them all the time? Lets be honest, people were acting pretty gleeful and the abyssal player numbers on LawBreakers on a near weekly basis. And it wasn't because of the actual game.
Judging by past tweets, it was certainly not an isolated incident.
Based on the quick firing, I'd imagine she was reprimanded privately in the past, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back for Arena Net.
Celebrating TotalBiscuit's death couldn't have helped her cause either.
Based on the quick firing, I'd imagine she was reprimanded privately in the past, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back for Arena Net.
Celebrating TotalBiscuit's death couldn't have helped her cause either.
She tweeted she was happy about TotalBiscuit passing away. She should have been fired weeks ago.
And no, there was no history. I don't know why you are casting doubt.
For people bringing up Kamiya (and others like CliffyB), he's a founder of Platinum. He's management and sets the tone for the company. ArenaNet's management chose to have stricter standards on how they let employees talk to fans. If the founders of ArenaNet were also going around telling fans to go fuck themselves, I doubt they would care as much as they do now.
I don't understand. When you read the tweets, it's hard to interpret this in any other way.
Have you never worked in customer service? If you're rude to a customer youre getting canned. I've seen exceptions made (less serious punishment) if the customer has been a total asshat but this guy did nothing wrong.
I can't believe people are considering the Youtubers response as polite???? He's asking if she's considered basic dev knowledge for the solution, and then complains she's not willing to enter a discussion and explain ideas with her - he is not a game dev and is acting like he has the same experience as her. I'll point he also doesn't ask questions at her but makes statements. Playing games alot does not give you the same knowledge as devs, like c'mon. And this is stuff women have to put up with all the time in all industries and it's infuriating and beyond rude.
That is rich. You are a gamer as well and so are all three people in the op.
Stop using words you don't know the significance of them are.
As for your underlying point gaming social media is littered with posts and comments everywhere with people making suggestions to developers and publishers.
What matters is the quality of that suggestion which was actually high coming from Derore.
She got defensive and used sexism to deflect from actually addressing a viewpoint even other game devs agree with.
That is not ok.
If she was addressing Jonathon Blow who in the past made gendered comments about women lacking interest even though they have the ability at least that would be remotely acceptable response. But in this case she was totally wrong with her response.
Twitter continues to be the venue where professionals go to get fired with inappropriate comments and Jessica isn't a special exception. She is the norm.
if that's what you think and took away from that post then im not sure i can reason with you.
there are ways to interact with women that don't involve patronizing them, you know.
Yeah, no buddy. ArenaNet is fucking spineless and I pity people working for a company that clearly doesn't value its employees.
She doesn't work in customer service, she's a writer for the game.
The response from the two employees wasn't good, but ArenaNet is in the wrong firing them, and doing so publicly to appease a mob. It's a particularly bad look when we know there are plenty of men in the industry who have gotten away the same or worse on Twitter without facing major reprocussions.
I mean she literally did that
With the way the conversation was going it's ludicrous to jump to the conclusion that the youtuber was bossing her around because she's a woman. He disagreed with a decision and explained why, is that not what we do here on a daily basis? All game devs or anyone who's involved with an art form has to deal with this kind of stuff it's part of the business. How many times do you think the last jedi's director has seen people say they could do a better job? Learning how to take polite criticism is literally a part of their jobs and even more so in a MMO where player feedback is constantly taken in and considered when making patches for the game.
just say what you want to say
people be hmm-posting left and right on Era these days and it's weird
Lots of people jumping to the conclusion that they were fired because of the public backlash. That's fine, and may be correct.
I think it's more likely they were fired for not abiding by internal regulations on communications with players, as said in the ArenaNet statement. If there is an outlined process/rules for interacting with players (even on a personal twitter account) as an employee of the company, you sure as hell need to abide by that.
Instead of assuming this is ArenaNet "giving in to GG" or similar, consider that they are a company and need to uphold their own rules and expectations of their employees in order to keep the ship afloat. Regardless of your opinion of this situation, both employees acted unprofessionally, and those aren't the type of people you want interacting with the public.
I think it's more likely they were fired for not abiding by internal regulations on communications with players, as said in the ArenaNet statement. If there is an outlined process/rules for interacting with players (even on a personal twitter account) as an employee of the company, you sure as hell need to abide by that.
Instead of assuming this is ArenaNet "giving in to GG" or similar, consider that they are a company and need to uphold their own rules and expectations of their employees in order to keep the ship afloat. Regardless of your opinion of this situation, both employees acted unprofessionally, and those aren't the type of people you want interacting with the public.
It's entirely possible that there could have been instances with her behavior in the workplace or with fans before though, right?
Please explain to me how he was being rude. Isn't this just feedback? Would it not be rude if the commenter was female, or the dev was male?
I have to agree with you. They could've definitely been stripped of representing their company on twitter as it is shown they cannot handle that sort of power / responsibility.
There are definitely still plenty of people who get away with worse shit in any industry for that matter, but it's unfortunate that a lot of them will never become as public as this has become.
There was absolutely no patronizing her. He was creating a discussion starter talking about the merits of different ways to tell stories in games. He wasn't bashing her about how her opinion is wrong and she's dumb.
Hell the first sentence was a compliment to her.
That sounds like a rather toxic person to keep around in a work area, they surely valued the other employees well being
Being glad TB can;t hurt anyone any more sure as hell isn't something someone should be fired over.
Of course GG morons would jump on the chance to shout for her job. Though I'm not sure "buckling to pressure" is why. It's easy to conflate those things, but too assumptive to say that it's exactly why. The employee acted in extremely bad taste. Simple as that. If there's a code of conduct with the employer that says you have to treat fans and customers with respect, and you break it? You earn the consequences. My employer has the same. I've seen them fire about a dozen people for fuckery on social media. It's not your "personal space" it's a public forum. I would completely understand if the YouTuber harassed her. But he didn't. He conducted himself pretty damn well. She had no excuse.
I think YongYea put it best: https://youtu.be/9q50oy4-UJM
I think YongYea put it best: https://youtu.be/9q50oy4-UJM
Oh God... yeah if she didn't catch a pink slip for that, it was probably on her employers radar at that point. I don't think Twitter is the right place for her, or she should make her account private.
I'm not casting doubt, I just have no knowledge of either of them nor if there were prior interactions and stating as such.
Was the firing influenced by the alt-right? No, they were fired before this even took off.
Was the firing the right thing to do? Maybe? We don't know the internal goings on in Arenanet, maybe they asked her to apologize and she didn't want to, maybe this wasn't her first infraction and was just the final straw (being glad that someone died tweet), or maybe it was an overreaction.
making this a gender issue is the wrong thing to do. it had nothing to do with gender. the dude is a respected GW2 Youtuber, content provider and Arenanet partner who answered her tweet after an official Narrative AMA and was respectfull.
Was the firing the right thing to do? Maybe? We don't know the internal goings on in Arenanet, maybe they asked her to apologize and she didn't want to, maybe this wasn't her first infraction and was just the final straw (being glad that someone died tweet), or maybe it was an overreaction.
making this a gender issue is the wrong thing to do. it had nothing to do with gender. the dude is a respected GW2 Youtuber, content provider and Arenanet partner who answered her tweet after an official Narrative AMA and was respectfull.
With the level of discourse on display here, I'm not surprised that the other two threads were locked. Disheartened, because it's important, but not surprised.
Regardless of how you feel about her reaction, what depresses me the most about this firing is the fact that prominent game devs have to run 24/7 customer service, even ones who have no business with PR. Everything ever said has be scrutinized against public opinion, and if your receipts turn up bad you risk losing your career and social capital.
This sorta thing is already happening in other countries, with a much more distinct character of misogony: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/in...nt-against-female-video-game-developers-rages
Regardless of how you feel about her reaction, what depresses me the most about this firing is the fact that prominent game devs have to run 24/7 customer service, even ones who have no business with PR. Everything ever said has be scrutinized against public opinion, and if your receipts turn up bad you risk losing your career and social capital.
This sorta thing is already happening in other countries, with a much more distinct character of misogony: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/in...nt-against-female-video-game-developers-rages
Seems like basic feedback to me.
I follow a lot of DICE devs (mainly all male) and they get these kinds of suggestions all the time when tweeting about Battlefield stuff.
Polite, non condescending, just wanting to voice their opinion.
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