Any Pynchon readers here? Read a couple of his books but not Gravity's Rainbow, does it resonate with the plot at all beyond the talk of the arcs that reoccurs and the idea of literary pretentiousness?
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Any Pynchon readers here? Read a couple of his books but not Gravity's Rainbow, does it resonate with the plot at all beyond the talk of the arcs that reoccurs and the idea of literary pretentiousness?
It sounded like she did intend to help out Langford's character, though.Fuck them. I'm glad she wasn't going to share shit. The one that pissed me off the most was the feminist studies friend who revealed her true colors when her nice steady flow of money was threatened.
Meg is the only family member who was even remotely sympathetic by the end, to the extent that I can basically just see her buckling under the pressure from her family. All the rest of them turn horrid at the drop of a hatIt sounded like she did intend to help out Langford's character, though.
It sounded like she did intend to help out Langford's character, though.
I honestly think she will share the money.Loved the film. The reveal wasn't so much of a reveal but the performances were so damn great and the direction was solid it didn't matter.
Edit: and yeah I saw this with two family members all of us hispanic and we were dying at having seen the same shit. Them being her friend until she gets above them and all of a sudden blackmail, betrayal, racism, accusations.
Fuck them. I'm glad she wasn't going to share shit. The one that pissed me off the most was the feminist studies friend who revealed her true colors when her nice steady flow of money was threatened.
I think she'll share it, but she'll be a real hard arse custodian of it. She knows about Joni's fraud for one, and Meg's attempted manipulation.
Marta was injecting it straight into the bloodstream while Ransom did it randomly somewhere into her chest. We also don't know the dosage.I adored this film. The only thing that bothered me was they made a big deal out of the "dead in 10 minutes" thing but then when Ransom did it to Fran, she lived for at least an hour and based on the timeline at the end, closer to two hours. Did I miss something?
I don't know why they didn't just have the old guy hold the needle and 'morphine' while he 'died', making it look like he committed suicide. Only thing that was bothering me, loved the movie otherwise
This and them not even allowing her to go to the funeral, buncha assholes. Then they have to audacity to talk about how good they were to her. lolI also loved the fact that the characters kept changing which Central/South American country they said Marta was from.
I assumed it was because the dude had such a love of theatrics.I don't know why they didn't just have the old guy hold the needle and 'morphine' while he 'died', making it look like he committed suicide. Only thing that was bothering me, loved the movie otherwise
This and them not even allowing her to go to the funeral, buncha assholes. Then they have to audacity to talk about how good they were to her. lol
The movies continually establishes that the family kept fucking themselves over and then further by attempting to amend with greed. And Marta is the innocent girl who accidentally "kills" and then spends the movie trying to lie and obstruct the truth. That then she would be revealed to have used the family's greed as a tool to con them out of their own fortune and fool the maybe-not-as-good-as-he-thinks-he-is legendary detective with her "good heart".
IDK feels like Marta actually being the bad guy would have worked better to subvert murder-mystery tropes than pretty much knowing the whole story in the first 20-30 mins and then waiting for the movie to get there.
"The Last Jedi" of murder-mystery movies.
Like TLJ, KO seems to exist to subvert tropes of it's genre. But the movie wasn't as smart as it thought it was. Seemingly the lack of a twist was the major twist. A suicide remained a suicide. Chris Evans entered the movie as the likeliest suspect of the "murder" and it pretty much ran a straight line back to him by the end.
Personal opinion but the lack of surprise should not be the surprise.
Maybe a better "twist = no twist" would have been the closing shot of Marta drinking from the "My house. My coffee. My rules." mug and then she giving a subtle smile before cutting to credits. The realization that Marta was in fact the "murderer". And the murder weapon? The family's greed.
The movies continually establishes that the family kept fucking themselves over and then further by attempting to amend with greed. And Marta is the innocent girl who accidentally "kills" and then spends the movie trying to lie and obstruct the truth. That then she would be revealed to have used the family's greed as a tool to con them out of their own fortune and fool the maybe-not-as-good-as-he-thinks-he-is legendary detective with her "good heart".
IDK feels like Marta actually being the bad guy would have worked better to subvert murder-mystery tropes than pretty much knowing the whole story in the first 20-30 mins and then waiting for the movie to get there.
I clocked Evans' involvement with the dogs barking during the night not being explained and then immediately barking at him, and the antidote being missing as well as the will on goings.
Didn't put two and two or all the pieces together about swapped medications and what not so the ending still gave me some catharsis explaining how "everything" fit into place.
Even if the mystery wasn't a complete twist, or expertly buried, I enjoyed the moment to moment content of the film immensely.
That was telling her that her husband was cheating.That's a good take on it, though calling anything TLJ-esque is a far cry. This is a decent movie as opposed to flaming hot garbage.
Question: What was up with that note that Jamie Lee Curtis' character was reading at the end with the invisible ink?
As I said in the main thread, I immediately expected to be an actual suicide.
I did forget about Ransom though, and expected Harlan to have intentionally staged everything leading up to his suicide (knocking over the vials and switching them out himself).
Did not catch the "Ransom you're back again" or the dogs.
They didn't prevent her, she didn't go because she was the one who killed him (or so she thought at the time). In fact, they mention several times their surprise that she wasn't there.This and them not even allowing her to go to the funeral, buncha assholes. Then they have to audacity to talk about how good they were to her. lol
No... They kept the funeral family-only. That's why they kept saying they were out-voted in allowing her to attend.They didn't prevent her, she didn't go because she was the one who killed him (or so she thought at the time). In fact, they mention several times their surprise that she wasn't there.
It's a running joke that she wasn't allowed to go but the family member talking to her "tried" to convince the rest but was out voted.They didn't prevent her, she didn't go because she was the one who killed him (or so she thought at the time). In fact, they mention several times their surprise that she wasn't there.
Just because they weren't abusive doesn't mean they were good to her. To them she was just kinda there which is why they didn't even know what country she was from. When they actively had to invite her to her dad's funeral, none of them wanted her there because, unlike their pretend appearances, she wasn't actually considered part of the family.In general, they were good to her. It's a point of the film to see how quickly they turn on "family" when their money gets involved.
Basically when someone thinks they're smarter than the writer and predicted all the twists in advance.Maybe I'm dumb, but I never really understand what the "movie isn't as smart/clever as it thinks criticism" actually means.
The usual dumb Youtuber shitBasically when someone thinks they're smarter than the writer and predicted all the twists in advance.
Honestly Langford's character was the most sympathetic and her part of the family reasonably didn't have anything else to fall back on. Curtis' character owned her own business, I imagine the youngest brother still had a lot to fall back on from the publishing company even if he isn't there anymore. She was being coerced by her family, and yeah, imagine suddenly realizing you can't afford to finish school because your mom is a deadbeat. That isn't her fault. Granted there must have been something else going on or else the grandfather would have left something for her (or he felt that Marta would do the right thing and take care of his granddaughter being the good person she is.Loved the film. The reveal wasn't so much of a reveal but the performances were so damn great and the direction was solid it didn't matter.
Edit: and yeah I saw this with two family members all of us hispanic and we were dying at having seen the same shit. Them being her friend until she gets above them and all of a sudden blackmail, betrayal, racism, accusations.
Fuck them. I'm glad she wasn't going to share shit. The one that pissed me off the most was the feminist studies friend who revealed her true colors when her nice steady flow of money was threatened.
Nah sorry zero sympathy on my end. This was entirely about privilege. She and her mother may have been the "liberals" of the family arguing against the children in camps issue but ultimately when the hispanic they used as a prop to make themselves feel better when they pushed for the family to support her stopped being someone they could give hand downs to and became someone with more power than them all of a sudden the white privilege took over. She calls her and immediately says it's their right to get the money when they had been abusing the grandfather and exploiting his success. Hell nobody even bothered to truly get to know her even her supposed friend in the family, they all went back and forth over which South/central American country she's from.Honestly Langford's character was the most sympathetic and her part of the family reasonably didn't have anything else to fall back on. Curtis' character owned her own business, I imagine the youngest brother still had a lot to fall back on from the publishing company even if he isn't there anymore. She was being coerced by her family, and yeah, imagine suddenly realizing you can't afford to finish school because your mom is a deadbeat. That isn't her fault. Granted there must have been something else going on or else the grandfather would have left something for her (or he felt that Marta would do the right thing and take care of his granddaughter being the good person she is.
She also betrayed her friends confidence to let the family try to manipulate her and in the end also only cared about the money,Honestly Langford's character was the most sympathetic and her part of the family reasonably didn't have anything else to fall back on. Curtis' character owned her own business, I imagine the youngest brother still had a lot to fall back on from the publishing company even if he isn't there anymore. She was being coerced by her family, and yeah, imagine suddenly realizing you can't afford to finish school because your mom is a deadbeat. That isn't her fault. Granted there must have been something else going on or else the grandfather would have left something for her (or he felt that Marta would do the right thing and take care of his granddaughter being the good person she is.
There was also that scene with the two of them as they were coming into the mansion and she was about to confess to what she'd thought she'd done. Meg seemed sincere enough there in terms of being repentant.To be fair, she was still feeling guilty from causing Harlan's death. There's some ambiguity in the last shot and Blanc's last exchange when she questioned if she should be helping them.
The movie pretty much outright says it with the detective saying he wouldn't do it if it was him but he knows she'll do something different and the final shot with, "My house, my rules".
Absolutely. And then her hugging Marta when she and Blanc come back for the finale just feels so hollow.Nah sorry zero sympathy on my end. This was entirely about privilege. She and her mother may have been the "liberals" of the family arguing against the children in camps issue but ultimately when the hispanic they used as a prop to make themselves feel better when they pushed for the family to support her stopped being someone they could give hand downs to and became someone with more power than them all of a sudden the white privilege took over. She calls her and immediately says it's their right to get the money when they had been abusing the grandfather and exploiting his success. Hell nobody even bothered to truly get to know her even her supposed friend in the family, they all went back and forth over which South/central American country she's from.
Marta tells her she will keep providing for her school and she still manages to be coerced to give out such sensitive information about Martas family and then feels bad? What fucking ever. I've seen this shit hundreds of times. Folks being allies until they aren't the one with privilege or in control.
I don't know why they didn't just have the old guy hold the needle and 'morphine' while he 'died', making it look like he committed suicide. Only thing that was bothering me, loved the movie otherwise
One thing that occurred to me afterward: Harlan's will doesn't seem to make any provision at all for his mother. What's going to happen to her?
They'll have to change his name in every translation, lol
They'll have to change his name in every translation, lol
Spanish: No, ella no dijo 'Usted', ella dijo HOUSTON!
They didn't prevent her, she didn't go because she was the one who killed him (or so she thought at the time). In fact, they mention several times their surprise that she wasn't there.
In general, they were good to her. It's a point of the film to see how quickly they turn on "family" when their money gets involved.
I interpreted the final shot as the total opposite with the "my house" mug basically meaning "fuck y'all".The movie pretty much outright says it with the detective saying he wouldn't do it if it was him but he knows she'll do something different and the final shot with, "My house, my rules".