Broom. Boy. Very consistent with The Clone Wars' depiction of force-using children rising up from non-force-using parents anywhere in the galaxy.
All the Palpatine blah blah is retcon shit wedged into the third movie of the trilogy, to soothe fanboys who bitched about Rey's rock-moving power at the end of TLJ, because to have that much Force power you HAVE to be related to one of the existing powerful characters. Otherwise, "She's a Mary Sue."
It's as if the dichotomy between fascism and antifa are captured in the self-argument within this trilogy.
The Last Jedi refuses to venerate all these powerful figures from the Past, instead strips them of their public perceptions as legends and reveals them as people, vulnerable, fallible, sometimes wrong, often followed by others to the point of folly. The spooky pseudo-Palpatine is a paper tiger, struck down by Rey and Kylo in a mutual moment of escaping the Past. But then there is a dichotomy, between Kylo the fascist--borne from the lineage of Power in The Force and aggravated by his sense of entitlement to that power--and Rey the Antifa--borne from nobody, from the People, from the rabble who drink and mistreat their children and suffer as those with Power rampage across the galaxy in their quest for... more power.
The Rise of Skywalker venerates these powerful figures from the Past so much that all things flow from them whether we know it or not. It checks off the pro-fascism argument of depicting an improbable, threatening foreign fleet from foreign lands just perched and ready to invade. Exegol and the Outer Rims now has great threat and population of armies of Sith, somehow. TROS takes the representative of the People, empowered mysteriously by the rise of The Force is answer to the rise of the Dark Side, free to make her own name and legacy... and makes her the inheritor of a legacy of evil power, installed in her with no agency to find or develop it herself, but just so she can serve as a vessel and carry to back to the Evil Bad Guy who Worked Before.
The very premise of TROS is a thematic pro-fascist agrument against TLJ's antifa philosophy.
In this way, I suppose the Sequel Trilogy arguing with itself over the very themes fascists trot out to start the wars they need to operate is just perfect. It is perfectly representative of the very themes and concepts the kids of this day and age are grappling with and trying to sort out.
I think they keep pushing it because the Disney World Star Wars land is based on the sequels. Even that new expensive Disney Star Wars resort that doesn't have real windows is set in sequel territory with Rey and Kylo Ren actors traipsing across it. Gotta justify those mutli-million/billion expenditures somehow and keep people going to those locations.They really need to forget about the sequel era. There's nothing to build upon there.
Yup, exactly. Plus I don't know how people think the alt right fans who hated TLJ like TROS? Yhey hated both if not all 3.This is one of many ways to interpret the movie, I'm really tired of people talking shit about TROS fans because most of them aren't TLJ haters or alt right asshats. You couldn't be more wrong about this opinion when it comes to how I view the movie so maybe just chill. Not everyone lives online and cared about the arguments Stans got into and drew lines between the films, a lot of people like all three and have no major issues. This is super reductive.
They're goofy space movies not culture war propaganda, get this rot out of your brains everyone, TROS TLJ people have created more fiction about the meaning of these movies than the movies themselves even have.
Yup, exactly. Plus I don't know how people think the alt right fans who hated TLJ like TROS? Yhey hated both if not all 3.
Please no, I've seen the way people on this forum "fixed" TLJ. đź‘€
TROS has fans???This is one of many ways to interpret the movie, I'm really tired of people talking shit about TROS fans because most of them aren't TLJ haters or alt right asshats. You couldn't be more wrong about this opinion when it comes to how I view the movie so maybe just chill. Not everyone lives online and cared about the arguments Stans got into and drew lines between the films, a lot of people like all three and have no major issues. This is super reductive.
They're goofy space movies not culture war propaganda, get this rot out of your brains everyone, TROS TLJ people have created more fiction about the meaning of these movies than the movies themselves even have.
A lot of them tbh they just don't spend their time online talking about SW which btw with the case for most franchises, the average person doesn't engage with this stuff the same way. I think that movie rules as messy as it is, same with TLJ and the entire ST. Y'all sound like the adults who were salty about the PT.
This is one of many ways to interpret the movie, I'm really tired of people talking shit about TROS fans because most of them aren't TLJ haters or alt right asshats. You couldn't be more wrong about this opinion when it comes to how I view the movie so maybe just chill. Not everyone lives online and cared about the arguments Stans got into and drew lines between the films, a lot of people like all three and have no major issues. This is super reductive.
They're goofy space movies not culture war propaganda, get this rot out of your brains everyone, TROS TLJ people have created more fiction about the meaning of these movies than the movies themselves even have.
Lol they did hire fans and look at the mess we got. Hell they even hired Original Trilogy fans!
So we're back to where I started when I came into the thread: these movies are for kids. At least, until you grow up and find they were speaking, however peripherally, to something real thematically. The Prequel Trilogy inspires "it was actually good" videos...
...now from the kids who watched it and grew to love it based on the space wizard adventure, and only now are grasping and seeing in the world around them the hidden depth in the story about the pre-arranged death of a democracy. While the adults weaned on the Original Trilogy largely scorned the prequels decrying all the "politics."
Those same, now adult, prequel fans complain about how much of the past original trilogy haunts the sequel trilogy, and how schizophrenic the sequel trilogy is arguing with itself over where power comes from, and who deserves power (and to be a space wizard).
And that's aptly fitting for the next generation of kids. The very conflict, largely online, over the nature and the message of the movies themselves reflects the generation of kids they are for.
Yes, however, I didnt want to get into a debate behind the themes and meaning of the films, partly because there are many other ways to look at the themes in TROS other than the reductive rewriting of TLJ that people claim it is.
Almost no one putting TLJ on a pedistal is ever willing to admit that and so I just dont bother because as a subjective medium there is no wrong answer so maybe people shouldn't be so up in arms about as you say space wizards.
Edit: adding in because I dont want this to be mistaken for any kind of rebuttal of your comment. I wholly agree and i think the cyclical nature of the ST is really fitting for both the franchise and for our time.
Thank you. "Cynical nature of the ST" is a perfect tl;dr of my rant.
And, officially, I only like the Rey/Luke/Kylo arc of The Last Jedi. The misguided farcical heist storyline running through Canto Blight and wrapping up Phasma was an embarrassment, and more than a large part of the sidelining of Finn's character.
So we're back to where I started when I came into the thread: these movies are for kids.
You'd have to sanitize the vong hardcore to make them work in mainstream movies. As it stands they are like something out of 40k. But a properly done NJO style era could be awesome.
Have the New republic ba an actual factio ith an actual personality instead of redshirts who ide off screen. Have imperial/first order remnant be like a wild card. Redesign the Vong to be more dark elf and less Hellraiser and you've got a colld setting for some great 3 way warfare. You could easily make the vong into a pretty decent commentary of modern science denialism.
Hell, you could even have teen Grogu be one of the Jedi knights. Synergy!
Honestly yeah a repurposed Vong could be good. Shake up the inevitable status quo of a new New Republic and an Imperial Remanent out there fighting for control. Have a giant galactic wide war for control between the 3 factions that eventually turns into an Alliance against the Vong.
Kylo Ren should have been the main antagonist in episode ix. Beyond that, I don't see the warlords, bankers as the future main villains, they're opportunistic but probably too cowardly to be the villains.If TROS didn't shit all over TLJ, the new main enemy beyond the sequel era would probably have been the arms dealers who were profiting from both sides of the conflict.
Just make something like Jabba or Crimson DawnBeyond that, I don't see the warlords, bankers as the future main villains, they're opportunistic but probably too cowardly to be the villains.
With the First Order and the Republic out of the way, go full waring states period this time around. A broken galaxy that has to be unified the hard way against either some greater threat or maybe just not at all as they vie for power. Different factions with different force users. Rey, Finn, and Poe leading the discovery of it all. Basically Star Trek Star Wars.
Incorrect. Kids LOVE the sequel era.There's almost no interest in the sequel era, not a good move.
Do KOTOR, people will go apeshit.
Wasn't that completely accidental (in TFA I mean)?