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Recent incidents of anti-Semitic tweets and posts from sports and entertainment celebrities are a very troubling omen for the future of the Black Lives Matter movement, but so too is the shocking lack of massive indignation. Given the New Woke-fulness in Hollywood and the sports world, we expected more passionate public outrage. What we got was a shrug of meh-rage.

These famous, outspoken people share the same scapegoat logic as all oppressive groups from Nazis to the KKK: all our troubles are because of bad-apple groups that worship wrong, have the wrong complexion, come from the wrong country, are the wrong gender or love the wrong gender. It's so disheartening to see people from groups that have been violently marginalized do the same thing to others without realizing that perpetuating this kind of bad logic is what perpetuates racism.

Yes, some of the above have apologized — DeSean Jackson, Stephen Jackson, Chelsea Handler — while others continue to defiantly marinate in their own prejudice. Their arrogant and irrational response to accusations of anti-Semitism, rather than dissuade us, actually confirmed people's worst opinions. Ice Cube's response was remorseless: "What if I was just pro-Black? This is the truth brother. I didn't lie on anyone. I didn't say I was anti anybody. DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE. I've been telling my truth." His "truth" was clearly anti-Semitic but, like Trump, he believes his truth exists outside facts. As writer Roxane Gay summed it up: "It is impossible to take you seriously with regards to social justice or anything when you post anti-Semitic imagery. What the fuck are you doing?"

The lesson never changes, so why is it so hard for some people to learn: No one is free until everyone is free. As Martin Luther King Jr. explained: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality." So, let's act like it. If we're going to be outraged by injustice, let's be outraged by injustice against anyone.

Full Article:
www.hollywoodreporter.com

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Where Is the Outrage Over Anti-Semitism in Sports and Hollywood?

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Recent incidents of anti-Semitic tweets and posts from sports and entertainment celebrities are a very troubling omen for the future of the Black Lives Matter movement, but so too is the shocking lack of massive indignation. Given the New Woke-fulness in Hollywood and the...
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Great article. I feel like a lot of white men won't call out black/lgbtq folk or women who say shit like that because, consciously or not, they don't want to be accused of being racist/sexist/trans/homophobic.
 

-Pyromaniac-

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Oct 25, 2017
7,398
Jewish persecution is in this weird place where it's obviously extremely prevalent all over the world these days, but because the face of judaism is a "white" one to a lot of people, especially in North America, and then you layer in the tropes that they are the opposite of persecuted (all powerful etc.), and it's easy to see why those feeling it are afraid to speak up without looking like they're trying to compete in the oppression olympics vs the BIPOC community, and why those enabling it (or straight up doing it) are oblivious to the impact of what they're doing, or what it means, or that they're even doing it to begin with, etc. That's in addition to blatant discrimination.

That's my super simplistic reductionist take on why it continues to rage on despite the woke-ness of today's vocal world.

Everyone gotta join the same side that Kareem is preaching.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
22,545
I think another part of the issue is that a lot of black communities tend to be deeply religious, and while this has many benefits in terms of strengthening community bonds and the like, it also has a habit of making a lot of social views in those communities skew very conservative
 

bionic77

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Oct 25, 2017
30,898
No one is free until everyone is free. As Martin Luther King Jr. explained: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality."
Nailed it.

I always thought this. I remember screaming this at all the woke atheists at the old forum who tried to normalize bigotry towards muslims because it was not "racism". You always have to fight back. The second you stop fighting it becomes normalized and allows some really shitty people to take control of things.
 

TaleSpun

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Oct 25, 2017
9,449
I'd say it's more likely the average person is just indifferent to antisemitism.

Or isn't even aware of it. I didn't know "poisoning the well" was an anti-Semitic thing until very late in my teens, so I can see a lot of the stuff that Ice Cube was posting in particular going over people's heads.
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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Oct 25, 2017
32,918
Honestly, it's because a lot of people just don't take anti-semitism seriously as an issue. It's sad because it's one of the older prejudices and people still either buying into it wholesale or are apathetic towards that kind of bigotry for a myriad of reasons. Ironically, some of which are just anti-semetic on their face. They justify their anti-semitism with anti-semitism. People who are great on other issues can just be totally blind here and play into some truly disgusting stuff. You see it all over the internet and real life and it's just incredibly sad and infuriating.

There's people willing to tolerate or justify bigotry because they feel they, or the person delivering it, are in the right on other issues. "Oh, I like this person so they can't be a bigot," is the thinking. It's tribal and as much courage as it takes to stand up to and call out those you hate, it takes even more to do it to people you like. That's the real sad part, the people willing to look the other way and dismiss it because they like the person's stances on other issues.

And while it's very common with anti-semitism, it's also incredibly common with sexism and misogyny. People are just incredibly willing to launch into sexist diatribes against those they dislike. People sounding like a sexist 13-year-old thinking rape is a joke when they go off on people they dislike. The difference is people are more willing to call that shit out, depending, sadly, on who it is levied against.

It's people not being willing to question those they like or agree with. You either fight against bigotry or you don't and that fight starts with ourselves. The second you stop questioning your own assumptions about the world and where they come from, when you stop questioning whatever ideology you follow, you've failed in that fight. No one got it right the first time, there's always room to grow and improve.

Also, on another note, Kareem remains a truly exceptional writer. Not just the ideas, but the skill with which he delivers them is top notch.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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One of the common links seems to be Farrakhan. He needs to be put in the dumpster.

Absolutely.
Jewish persecution is in this weird place where it's obviously extremely prevalent all over the world these days, but because the face of judaism is a "white" one to a lot of people, especially in North America, and then you layer in the tropes that they are the opposite of persecuted (all powerful etc.), and it's easy to see why those feeling it are afraid to speak up without looking like they're trying to compete in the oppression olympics vs the BIPOC community, and why those enabling it (or straight up doing it) are oblivious to the impact of what they're doing, or what it means, or that they're even doing it to begin with, etc. That's in addition to blatant discrimination.

That's my super simplistic reductionist take on why it continues to rage on despite the woke-ness of today's vocal world.

Everyone gotta join the same side that Kareem is preaching.

I think the other aspect is that compared to racism, sexism, and LGBT discrimination, anti-semitism is a bipartisan issue that's tied to a huge political issue (Israel). We've gotten so polarized in some ways I think some people are pretty reflexive at dismissing accusations of anti-semitism if it's coming from their side.

Also, reading that byline... Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is writing political editorials and writes mystery novels? What a weird timeline.
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
General Manager
Oct 25, 2017
32,918
Absolutely.


I think the other aspect is that compared to racism, sexism, and LGBT discrimination, anti-semitism is a bipartisan issue that's tied to a huge political issue (Israel). We've gotten so polarized in some ways I think some people are pretty reflexive at dismissing accusations of anti-semitism if it's coming from their side.

Also, reading that byline... Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is writing political editorials and writes mystery novels? What a weird timeline.
Kareem is an amazing writer, don't sleep on his work.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Kareem is a brilliant and intellectually consistent columnist. I hope he keeps writing because I have a feeling his writings will exceed his on-court accomplishments when history looks back upon him.
 
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Jun 5, 2020
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I think another part of the issue is that a lot of black communities tend to be deeply religious, and while this has many benefits in terms of strengthening community bonds and the like, it also has a habit of making a lot of social views in those communities skew very conservative
I'm hispanic so I can't speak on the black community but I can speak on the Latin one which sort of relates to your post. I've always found it strange how progressives automatically see us as allies all the while my community is largely anti-LGBT and against abortion rights.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
22,545
I'm hispanic so I can't speak on the black community but I can speak on the latin one which sort of relates to your post. I've always found it strange how progressives automatically see us as allies all the while my community is largely anti-LGBT and against abortion rights.
Yeah my understanding is that the latino community is pretty similar in this regard. It's sad, but for a lot of people oppresion only matters when they're the ones being oppressed, and being oppressed doesn't necessarily give you empathy for other victims of oppression
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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One of the common links seems to be Farrakhan. He needs to be put in the dumpster.

It is. Farrakhan is a dangerous, virulent antisemite, among other things. It's 2020 and there are so many profound, intelligent, and intersectional black activists and figureheads, but Farrakhan still gets a platform.
 

PinaColada

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Oct 27, 2017
380
Before all of this stuff started to happen I never knew Farrakhan was still a thing 🤷‍♂️.

Last I really remember hearing about him was the great In Living Color sketches. I did know he was trash though, just really sad to see his influence is as big as it is now.
 

Nepenthe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Perfect article. I have very little to add onto what KAJ has said, but this part in particular I think is important:

One of the most powerful songs in the struggle against racism is Billie Holiday's melancholic "Strange Fruit," which was first recorded in 1939. The song met strong resistance from radio stations afraid of its graphic lyrics about lynching:....

Despite those who wanted to suppress the song, it went on to sell a million copies that year and became Holiday's best-selling record ever. The song was written by a white, Jewish high school teacher, Abel Meeropol, who performed it with his wife around New York before it was given to Holiday.
I think what we need to realize is that the history of all fights against oppression are intertwined. While for example the desire for an anti-black society is primarily carried by black people, other minorities who can empathize with the struggle through their own pursuits for a society that would allow them to live in peace have always lent a hand or have made use of opportunities for mutual aid. Our fights are not perpendicular; they intersect constantly and always have. Even beyond the purview of just being a good human being, we owe it to our allies to rid ourselves of our own biases and bigotry.
 

Poodlestrike

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Oct 25, 2017
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Great article. I hadn't known that about the Billie Holliday song. That... really speaks to me, for some reason.

A lot of people don't give a fuck about antisemitism for a lot of reasons. Part of it's that it's viewed as an "old" problem, because it is, in the sense that it's as old as the hills. The holocaust helps and hurts that perception, since it gives a clear defining "and then it was over!" point, a little like the way the civil rights act does (or did) for white people. After we beat the nazis and discovered the horrors of the camps, everybody definitely stopped being antisemitic, right? Well, no, of course not. Antisemitism is as old as the hills. It'll be here long after everybody posting in this thread is dead.

It's also got a lot of really unfortunate intersectional fault points specific to it. Like, being woke means, to some extent, being anticapitalist, right? Even if you're not a full-bore socialist, nobody can deny the way the excesses of capitalism feed into other systems of prejudice. Buuuuut when you start chanting about the banks controlling everything you start picking up some pretty fucking unfortunate agreement. Because hey, you know who definitely agrees with that? Nazis, because they think the banks are all run by Jews. This is not to say you can't critique or even want to demolish capitalism - go nuts. It's just that it's really, really easy to pick up on a thread of real oppression and get diverted into millennia-old conspiracy theories instead. The people with all the money have all the power, you say, and the guy next to you goes yes, they do, like those Rothschilds, and then you're off to the races. That's what people mean when they say that anti-semitism is bi-partisan. The left has antisemites and the right has antisemites and even though they might very well hate everything else about their opposite they will agree on that. That's not me drawing an equivalency, mind - the right's the one that built Auschwitz. But it gets tiring, hearing excuses from supposed allies.

This is kinda all rooted in the the religious oppression, which is like, it's own kettle of fish. Antisemitism being both a racial and religious prejudice means it crops up across demographics that you wouldn't expect. And the way that Jews are variably white to most people (in NA, at least) and very much not white to the white supremacists puts us on the outs with everybody, it sometimes feels.

Anyway, KAJ with the great article. Recommend everybody read it.
 

DragonSJG

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Mar 4, 2019
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I think he's right. I mean, Nick Cannon promoted antisemitism and twitter is just letting it slide and I know too many folks who quote/link speeches to Farrakhan and let his antisemitism slide or make excuses
 

GYODX

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Oct 27, 2017
7,263
I'm very confused as to why this new strain of anti-semitism seems to have taken root among so many prominent celebrities. And to the extent that they feel comfortable airing this shit as publicly as they have been. It seems to have come out of nowhere.
 

Maeros

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Dec 21, 2017
381
People dont seem to know how bad anti semitism is right now. In France for example there are a lot of synagogue's that are hidden from the public. Meaning they have no signs and the building looks exactly like its neighbours. Just to avoid being targeted. In a lot of countries in Europe Synagogue's are guarded by police or army. From France to Denmark.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
22,545
I'm very confused as to why this new strain of anti-semitism seems to have taken root among so many prominent celebrities. And to the extent that they feel comfortable airing this shit as publicly as they have been. It seems to have come out of nowhere.
I'm curious as to why you believe anything about this is new
 

Starwing

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 31, 2018
4,127
Yeah, I've been noticing this alot more than usual, hopefully KAJ's article shines enough light on this.
Honestly, it's because a lot of people just don't take anti-semitism seriously as an issue. It's sad because it's one of the older prejudices and people still either buying into it wholesale or are apathetic towards that kind of bigotry for a myriad of reasons. Ironically, some of which are just anti-semetic on their face. They justify their anti-semitism with anti-semitism. People who are great on other issues can just be totally blind here and play into some truly disgusting stuff. You see it all over the internet and real life and it's just incredibly sad and infuriating.

There's people willing to tolerate or justify bigotry because they feel they, or the person delivering it, are in the right on other issues. "Oh, I like this person so they can't be a bigot," is the thinking. It's tribal and as much courage as it takes to stand up to and call out those you hate, it takes even more to do it to people you like. That's the real sad part, the people willing to look the other way and dismiss it because they like the person's stances on other issues.

And while it's very common with anti-semitism, it's also incredibly common with sexism and misogyny. People are just incredibly willing to launch into sexist diatribes against those they dislike. People sounding like a sexist 13-year-old thinking rape is a joke when they go off on people they dislike. The difference is people are more willing to call that shit out, depending, sadly, on who it is levied against.

It's people not being willing to question those they like or agree with. You either fight against bigotry or you don't and that fight starts with ourselves. The second you stop questioning your own assumptions about the world and where they come from, when you stop questioning whatever ideology you follow, you've failed in that fight. No one got it right the first time, there's always room to grow and improve.

Also, on another note, Kareem remains a truly exceptional writer. Not just the ideas, but the skill with which he delivers them is top notch.
Agree with everything here.
 

Desi

Member
Oct 30, 2017
4,212
I think another part of the issue is that a lot of black communities tend to be deeply religious, and while this has many benefits in terms of strengthening community bonds and the like, it also has a habit of making a lot of social views in those communities skew very conservative
I hate having to explain this to my friends. Black people are not liberal like folks think of us. We would be as conservative as the Cuban population if the republicans would stop being racist for just a tiny bit.

Honestly, I don't claim to be super Marxist, communist, as twitter tries to paint everyone these days. Some of my ideals would ring centrist if our conservative party wasn't literally insane.
 

MoosetheMark

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May 3, 2019
690
KAJ is a fantastic writer.

When I lived in Crown Heights there was a bookstore on Nostrand Ave. that had TVs in the front windows playing Farrakhan 24/7 and there were always dudes gathered around watching intently. He is an extremely pernicious influence.
 

Heshinsi

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Oct 25, 2017
16,104
I had no idea Kareem wrote articles. Hopefully the message gets to the right people and they reflect on what they're doing and stop with the anti-Semitic behaviour.