jp devs are really bad at taking advantage of the success of other jp devs.
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I was wondering the same thing a few days ago, why nobody (other than maybe Tecmo Koei with Ni-oh) followed the success of From Software in the console space.
Japanese developers for the most part seem very afraid to change and will keep working on the same franchise for decades even if it was never a true hit, for whatever reason.
Japanese developers for the most part seem very afraid to change and will keep working on the same franchise for decades even if it was never a true hit, for whatever reason.
Death Note: Almost everything with Misa in it.
If you actually dont know of anime that has 0% pandering ill just mention some here off the top of my head Mushishi, Monster, Barakamon, Ping Pong the Animation, Psycho-Pass, Parasyte, etc. Thats not mentioning all the good movies that dont have that stuff (Ghibli), you cant judge Hollywood by the Transformers movies.
I know a ton of anime with zero pandering, it's just amusing which examples that poster used. Promised Neverland was the only one I could find nothing.
The original manga version of FMA has almost none though.
So the OP brings up Persona. While it's a pretty successful JRPG series, it isn't nearly as "successful" or as wide-appealing as certain games made by other Japanese developers (which I don't think I fully agree with, but regardless). Instead of developers cloning those wider-appealing games, their cloning more niche games, and I think the OP is confused - if you're going to clone a game, why are you cloning the one which is less successful?
Which I would argue is because there is less risk involved in catering to a niche that is more likely to purchase your product than catering to a mainstream audience that may or may not be willing to purchase a "clone".
I haven't played P5 since the English release so I don't remember much. Looking at the wiki
Also the dialog in my post you quoted, is photoshopped it.
It forever for Square Enix to bring over the first Bravely Default and the sales ended up shocking them.
I feel like you're not quite getting it? People generally don't associate Cowboy Bebop with that gross fetish stuff and juvenile pandering which is what people are referring to when they describe something as "anime". Cherry picking a 1 second boob jiggle doesn't really prove the point otherwise.
Huh when did I associate cowboy bebop and cherry pick with that stuff?
You mention there are no loli in persona 5. And I was saying there are loli in persona 5.
First of all I apologize, I quoted the wrong person. I didn't mean to quote your post
Second of all, like I said before Lavenza nor are the twins sexualized. They aren't loli's. You can't just throw every single child character under the branch of lolicon and shotacon like that unless you are particularly skeeved.
It was more a comment in general than directed at that particular post.
I just assume it comes down to the notion that you have to satisfy your customers to get guaranteed sales, and pandering to otakus is the safest way to ensure yourself an audience.
Heh, there are tons of RPGs out there where characters are throwing out some silly lines that don't make a bit of sense in the context of what's going on. If that bothered me, I wouldn't be able to play RPGs at all. Just ignore and move on to the thing that matters...the fight.
the otaku bullshit is why i pretty much stopped playing japanese rpgs outside final fantasy and souls (with a few exceptions)
Now that you mention that, Fire Emblem found more success too when it doubled down on that. They clearly take advantage of success in some areas, just not the ones we may like more sometimes.
Don't entirely agree on Code Vein. Shift does some pretty dope stuff and I wouldn't jump to calling them our for pandering, myself!
Death Note: Almost everything with Misa in it.
Oh yeah they definitely have fanservice but I was talking more about the difference in presentation and art style.
Yes!
Xenoblade 2 was so disappointing and the pandering to 13year old boys (or man childs that never spoke to a real woman before) was extremely dumb. Xenoblade 1 and X were great RPGs but X2 was just melon boobs with simple cliche characters and stripper outfits and a simple childs friendly story that clashed with the pandering in a weird way.
After X2 I am only mildly interested in Monolith next game.
Counterpoint:
The last time a major Japanese developer chased some good ol market trends, the result was Pokemon Gen 7, and I'm not yet sure if the end result was positive or negative to the franchise on a whole. And yes, Gen 7 did borrow heavily from Yokai Watch, there are clear parallels between Rotom and Whisper, Soultimate Moves and Z-Moves, the Anime's Slice of Life/Shonen back and forth, etc. So yeahz sometimes be careful of what you wish for, you might just get it.
The last time a major Japanese developer chased some good ol market trends, the result was Pokemon Gen 7, and I'm not yet sure if the end result was positive or negative to the franchise on a whole. And yes, Gen 7 did borrow heavily from Yokai Watch, there are clear parallels between Rotom and Whisper, Soultimate Moves and Z-Moves, the Anime's Slice of Life/Shonen back and forth, etc. So yeahz sometimes be careful of what you wish for, you might just get it.
These takes tho. Xenoblade 1 and X both had "pandering" that you peeps seem to damn Xenoblade 2 for, mostly any anime related or inspired game will have some sort of sex appeal. To get rid of that entirely you'll get games that look like the soul have been taken out of them like the Last Remnant, and we seen how well people liked that game.
Just move on if they aren't for you.
I would like to see Japanese Devs, reuses systems that they invented, instead of flushing everything. Like another FF using an improved gambit system.
Just move on if they aren't for you.
I would like to see Japanese Devs, reuses systems that they invented, instead of flushing everything. Like another FF using an improved gambit system.
Fire Emblem was another game I thought off after I posted.
In truth I do think there is some merits to 'hiding' the anime influences to appeal to a wider audience that wants 'safe' realism aesthetics. It's why your average gamer don't register that Metal Gear Solid is Anime as fuck.
But at the same time there are plenty of games that succeed and that's because they're first and foremost good games.
