It kind of is though imo. I dont even give any shit about this movie, but if we're gonna cancel people for using this song then we have to cancel all of US sports and a ton of other shows and movies. The office definitely used this song after Gary Glitter was a known pedophile too.
people, it seems
That's a big can of worms. Can USA demand other countries to change their traditions? I mean, the moment there are black residents in Japan that find blackface offensive, my argument is null (I know Dutch people of african descent find offensive the blackface during Christmas, and in fact they are phasing it out). But generally, it's very jingoistic to demand other countries to stop being offensive to people on the other side of the planets.should countries like japan and the netherlands that don't have a history of minstrel shows get a pass for using blackface? even after being told why it's really incredibly offensive elsewhere?
That's a big can of worms. Can USA demand other countries to change their traditions? I mean, the moment there are black residents in Japan that find blackface offensive, my argument is null (I know Dutch people of african descent find offensive the blackface during Christmas, and in fact they are phasing it out). But generally, it's very jingoistic to demand other countries to stop being offensive to people on the other side of the planets.
Otherwise, I could point out to all the people getting killed by Camorra every day in Italy and ask Hollywood to stop glamorizing the Mafia.
IMO theres a big difference between wearing blackface and playing the hey song, but you do you.should countries like japan and the netherlands that don't have a history of minstrel shows get a pass for using blackface? even after being told why it's really incredibly offensive elsewhere?
of course not. ignorance is not an excuse. the correct response to finding out that a movie includes music from a paedophile is "wow, that's fucked up, they should have done their research."
IMO theres a big difference between wearing blackface and playing the hey song, but you do you.
*looks at thread with 500+ posts*
I mean yeah, bad song choice for sure. The selective outrage is what makes this seem really forced and disingenuous though. Looking at IMDB and counting movies that use Gary Glitter songs and I lost count after 100, and there was way more.if you're american, i'm sure there is!
everything is different to everyone. that is the point.
IMO it is hard to argue that it is a good idea to put music written by paedophiles in a movie in 2019.
I mean yeah, bad song choice for sure. The selective outrage is what makes this seem really forced and disingenuous though. Looking at IMDB and counting movies that use Gary Glitter songs and I lost count after 100, and there was way more.
Hell, this isn't even the first time a Batman property used a Gary Glitter song, one of his songs is featured in S3 E13 of Gotham.
Otherwise, I could point out to all the people getting killed by Camorra every day in Italy and ask Hollywood to stop glamorizing the Mafia.
i know it's a can of worms, and it's a can that this forum has historically fallen on the side of opening in the face of countries that might inadvertently offend americans. should we condemn people for accidentally causing offense without understanding the context? no. should we expect them to go "okay, my bad" and learn from it when it's explained to them what's wrong? yes.
that's the problem with this thread. it's people handwaving shit away by arguing "no-one in america even knows who the guy is" rather than showing willingness to accept that a director of a movie they like kind of indisputably fucked up.
Ok, I agree with that.should we condemn people for accidentally causing offense without understanding the context? no. should we expect them to go "okay, my bad" and learn from it when it's explained to them what's wrong? yes.
Nah, you just don't use child rapists songs, it's pretty simpleI haven't seen Joker so I don't have a horse in this race. I'm also from the UK, so I know full-well Gary Glitter is a monster.
That being said, If people convicted of crimes don't deserve to profit from their previous works, then that's a situation for the justice system to sort out - not filmmakers. As it stands, I'm pretty sure people convicted of crimes (however heinous) can still own and earn money from intellectual and physical property.
There might be an argument to be made that being convicted of a certain severity of crime should come with a forfeit of those rights, but again, that would be a world-changing judgment that would need to be made at the highest echelons of judicial review.
Nah, you just don't use child rapists songs, it's pretty simple
Well as a Brit I am well aware of Glitter's crimes and this has made a decision for me. I was actually interested in seeing the film, despite some of the very poor reviews it has got, but I am now going to give it a miss. I just can't accept any of my money going to that man.
UK here. I have seen the movie, and "basically everybody" in the screening I was in looked at each other with a raised eyebrow when that music started playing. It fits fine but pulling an entire country out of a key moment of your film doesn't sound like a great artistic decision whichever way you slice it.I haven't seen the movie, but basically everybody agrees that the song fits perfectly in the scene it's featured in.
Honestly, never heard of this guy before today, but I'm from the USA. The way I see it is you can look at any movie, TV show, album, sports team, etc. and find someone attached to the work in some way who is a vile person. I fully understand not wanting to support these people, but if you were to look into every one who has worked on any movie or received any kind of compensation from it, you would never watch anything. Same goes for everything in life. Think of every store, bank, bar, restaurant, etc. that we visit in life. If we were to research every person working for those companies we'd find people we don't want to give our money to. It's a sad reality of life.
Skimming the posts, are y'all angry about the song being used, or the person being paid?
Because a person getting paid for their work shouldn't be the issue here.
It was posted page 8 and it went unnoticed because it's literally nothing. Just a terrible attempt to find something "controversial" about Phillips.
It's starting to remind me a lot of the James Gunn situation.
Honestly, never heard of this guy before today, but I'm from the USA. The way I see it is you can look at any movie, TV show, album, sports team, etc. and find someone attached to the work in some way who is a vile person. I fully understand not wanting to support these people, but if you were to look into every one who has worked on any movie or received any kind of compensation from it, you would never watch anything. Same goes for everything in life. Think of every store, bank, bar, restaurant, etc. that we visit in life. If we were to research every person working for those companies we'd find people we don't want to give our money to. It's a sad reality of life.
Sorry I meant using the song.Area man says an honest day's work is an honest day's work, even if that work involved fucking kids.
Sorry I meant using the song.
Are we going to go after everyone who uses a Michael Jackson song?
May not have heard about him, but certainly heard the song played at every sports venue or youth game. Hell, I heard it being played at a child's soccer practice just a few days ago on my walk.Honestly, never heard of this guy before today, but I'm from the USA.
Sorry I meant using the song.
Are we going to go after everyone who uses a Michael Jackson song?
May not have heard about him, but certainly heard the song played at every sports venue or youth game. Hell, I heard it being played at a child's soccer practice just a few days ago on my walk.
Sorry I meant using the song.
Are we going to go after everyone who uses a Michael Jackson song?
The generally accepted idea is that you don't fucking play Glitter's songs, circumventing this whole argument about whether or not to pay the paedophile, convicted of paedophilia.
Fucking yikes. I'd bring this up as a slightly contentious issue. I'd imagine the frequency of this song in the US probably has something to do with double standards for exploitation and race. Glitter is white and the kids he abused invariably weren't.
Having a convicted child rapists tune in your film is pretty well umm controversial...This is such a fucking reach dude... come on
Like at this point people are looking for ANYTHING to make this movie controversial..
Fucking yikes. I'd bring this up as a slightly contentious issue. I'd imagine the frequency of this song in the US probably has something to do with double standards for exploitation and race. Glitter is white and the kids he abused invariably weren't.
So his expansive, cultural influencing discography should never be used again? I think using a song to invoke the cultural influence it had can divorce itself from the artist themselves.
You mean not many Americans know who Gary Glitter is. The US isn't the world. Even if you don't know who Glitter was you do now... but you are still doing the dumb reach shit.thaaaaaaat reaaaaaaaaaachh, god damn...
nobody knows who john glitter is man.
never in my life i had listen to that song until this movie neither knew who the fuck that guy is.
I bet the kids he abused and raped over asia know who he is
At least in the U.K., Gary Glitter is a household name. Everyone knows what he did. This isn't "one of the VFX guys said something racist on Twitter", this is promoting and celebrating the work of someone who was thrown in jail for being a serial pedophile.
That may be the case for a lot of companies. You would have to put them under a microscope to find these terrible people.
In this particular case it is flagrant. This is a convicted pedophile, and this is his most well known work. People didn't have to search, they were slapped in the face with it.
May not have heard about him, but certainly heard the song played at every sports venue or youth game. Hell, I heard it being played at a child's soccer practice just a few days ago on my walk.
🙈 : the threadHaving a convicted child rapists tune in your film is pretty well umm controversial...
The amount of dudes in this thread all trying to defend a movie.... When people aren't even attacking it, they are saying using a nonces tune is fucked up.
I thought some people on Era would handle it better and not be all defensive over just a film. But guessing I was wrong
You mean not many Americans know who Gary Glitter is. The US isn't the world. Even if you don't know who Glitter was you do now... but you are still doing the dumb reach shit.
thaaaaaaat reaaaaaaaaaachh, god damn...
nobody knows who john glitter is man.
never in my life i had listen to that song until this movie neither knew who the fuck that guy is.
So his expansive, cultural influencing discography should never be used again? I think using a song to invoke the cultural influence it had can divorce itself from the artist themselves.
I'm now borderline derailing though
What do you think this thread is about? You know who and what he is now. Downplaying it at this point is fucked.
You are definitely derailing with your whataboutism. No borderline about it.
People in this thread? No idea. Some people in general? It is definitely true. Sadly poc aren't cared about as much as white people.i mean, it is bad that they used the song, but to say that people dont care about this, because the kids werent white, is bullshit, and you fucking know it
Keep justifying this weird paedophilia apologism because of the comic book movie.
im not downplaying anything, they shouldnt have used the song, but to say that people dont care because the kids werent white is bullshit.
the fucking song doesn't even do something for the scene, there was a plethora of song they could have chose that would be better than this nothing song, i dont know why the fuck would they dig this hole.
It feels to me like people are really defensive about this movie and aren't willing to admit that it's a bit of a bad call to use a song written by a notorious paedophile. I liked the movie, but the film makers could have found a different song that worked just as well, there's nothing specific to the song that ties it to the narrative.It feels like people really want to hate this movie and are looking for any way to do so.
People in this thread? No idea. Some people in general? It is definitely true. Sadly poc aren't cared about as much as white people.