Have they ever brought in a makeup expert to comment on the images?
I do not think they'll argue makeup a lot, they'll use the metadata expert for that to poke holes in the dates at which Heard alleges theses photos were taken.
Have they ever brought in a makeup expert to comment on the images?
I do not think they'll argue makeup a lot, they'll use the metadata expert for that to poke holes in the dates at which Heard alleges theses photos were taken.
Considering Depp's team has 16 hours and Heard's team has 4, Dennison wasn't really wasting time. They're using the ton of time they have to make the cross examinations real messy and require a proper redirect, which Heard's team don't have the time to do if they want to cross examine on the rebuttal. So either Heard's witnesses are left as a messy argument that the jury can't remember the actual meaning of, or Depp's rebuttal witnesses are just left completely unchallenged (which then ends up giving Depp's team even MORE free time because they won't have to redirect).This makes me mad that Dennison wasted so much goddamn time today... Was that only on Depps time or did it also eat some of Heards?
Anecdotal of course, but ice is not some kind of magical aid here. Relatively minor swelling to the face can takes days to go down even if you do your best to reduce it. At least in my experience. I don't know how much that stuff would even be a reliable thing for Heard's people to lean on.Yeah, that's probably safer. Especially if the stuff about using makeup and ice to cover such severe injuries is technically possible in theory (if you're like the greatest makeup artist of all time).
As others have stated, AH slipped in one of her testimonies and now JD's team is allowed to bring Kate Moss to the stand. This video explains it.So why is Kate Moss testifying to? How Depp is as a boyfriend? Something Amber said about her?
Yeah, that's probably safer. Especially if the stuff about using makeup and ice to cover such severe injuries is technically possible in theory (if you're like the greatest makeup artist of all time).
Perfection. It does feel amazingly close to watching the Electric Sun trial.
Depp's Rebuttal Witness List
Just gonna point out:
1) Lydia Fillip (flight attendant) - The one from the Boston Flight
2) Morgan Tremaine - Ex TMZ Producer (Testify she either tipped TMZ as to the divorce filing or why they have own the copyright to the kitchen cabinet video? possibly both?)
3) Jennifer Howell - No clarification needed
4) Walter Hamada - President of DC films production at WB
5) Bryan Neumeister - Metadata expert (the photo "evidence" will get destroyed here)
Neah, they still have almost 16 hours left... and the more Elaine wastes on redirect to patch up all the holes in the cross the less time they have to cross on Depp's rebuttal.
Denison has clearly showed with the statistics expert that he can do a quick and sure cross, I think (and so do a lot of lawyers covering this) that Depp's team intentionally kept their crosses long today in order to make Elain waste more time on redirect.
That is still a very, very long list of people to go through in ~16 hours... It's a fantastic list of people, I just don't want them to rush through them.Considering Depp's team has 16 hours and Heard's team has 4, Dennison wasn't really wasting time. They're using the ton of time they have to make the cross examinations real messy and require a proper redirect, which Heard's team don't have the time to do if they want to cross examine on the rebuttal. So either Heard's witnesses are left as a messy argument that the jury can't remember the actual meaning of, or Depp's rebuttal witnesses are just left completely unchallenged (which then ends up giving Depp's team even MORE free time because they won't have to redirect).
It's perfectly fair, both sides began with precisely the same amount of time. Some witnesses merit a longer cross than others as well. It's on Heards team that they've wasted an enormous amount of time crossing Johnny's witnesses and on some rather ineffective witnesseswhile depps team has been more concise. I mean heards team crossed johnny for like 2 days while Camille took only about 2 hours or so on amber. I agree that it is odd, but it's perfectly fair as long as the same rules apply to both. It would be unfair to extend heards time when depps team has been saving time they cpuld have spent crossing ambers witnesses longer. It does look likely thay Amber won't have much time to cross fepps rebuttal witnesses potentially, but that's their own fault. They can still raise objections.does cross-examination takes time from the clock too? If so, does this means amber's legal team won't be able to cross-examine any of the deep's witnesses considering the low amount of time remaining?
That's a pretty dumb system if that's the case imo... it should be a limited time per witness so that both teams can cross-examine all witness, it's not fair otherwise
obviously heard's team played this badly and it's a great advantage for depp, and that's good, i just find such a system to be quite weird
I think Jennifer Howell will be a key one if her testimony is anything like the declaration floating around. She'll basically testify that Whitney lied under oath and told her that she was afraid amber would kill johnny, that amber cut off Johnny's finger, and that Amber has abused Whitney for years and that Amber chose her charities not because she was close to them but put of clout and publicity and that elon later sent her a checn on behalf of amber .This is whitneys former boss mentor and close friend. Ambers lawyers would probably try to make the case that she is bitter Amber didn't donate the divorce to the charity she runs. Of she comes off as credible it could blow a hole in Ambers and Whitney's story.
That's On Cinema at the Cinema. An Adult Swim parody of a movie review show.
Elaine won't be able to effectively cross-examine all 16. If, say for the sake of example, Depp's team allowed for 60 minutes for each witness (50 minute direct, 10 minutes for redirect), Heard's team would only have 15 minutes to cross examine each one. If they try to cross-examine all the witnesses then they're all going to be really weak cross-examinations that are going to need little in the way of redirect from Depp's team. If they decide not to cross-examine some of the rebuttal witnesses then Depp's team basically get a free witness that doesn't get criticised by the defendant team as well as 10 minutes extra on the clock.That is still a very, very long list of people to go through in ~16 hours... It's a fantastic list of people, I just don't want them to rush through them.
Elaine also has 4 hours left and I don't feel like they've made any sort of case for themselves, I just hope those ~16 hours are enough to go through each witness. That's... 16 witnesses in total, including Johnny? So 1 hour with each (and all of those hours won't be rebuttal-free... Again, Elaine still has 4 hours left).
Yes it does, and both sides agreed to this ruling specifically at the beginning of the trial.does cross-examination takes time from the clock too? If so, does this means amber's legal team won't be able to cross-examine any of the deep's witnesses considering the low amount of time remaining?
That's a pretty dumb system if that's the case imo... it should be a limited time per witness so that both teams can cross-examine all witness, it's not fair otherwise
obviously heard's team played this badly and it's a great advantage for depp, and that's good, i just find such a system to be quite weird
does cross-examination takes time from the clock too? If so, does this means amber's legal team won't be able to cross-examine any of the deep's witnesses considering the low amount of time remaining?
That's a pretty dumb system if that's the case imo... it should be a limited time per witness so that both teams can cross-examine all witness, it's not fair otherwise
obviously heard's team played this badly and it's a great advantage for depp, and that's good, i just find such a system to be quite weird
This is pretty damning if true, can they bring that up at all? This is insane.
Agreed, I could go without the TikTok meme shit too.I gave it a listen and sorry, but this is the whole "salute the marines" drama all over again. It's mostly inaudible and people are going to hear in it what they want to hear.
I really wish we could stop posting nonsense like this in the thread. It's really not helpful and its dragging discourse down. Even the tiniest bit of common sense should tell you that that clip and its reading doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Yeah whatever to what that's actually supposed to be but this tweet chain re: Spiegel in the replies to that was illuminating, figured it was worth a share:
Whole thing is worth a read. Spiegel seems like a clown regardless of what's actually being said on that recording.
wow. I guess dont mention that you watch the trial outside dedicated places about it. I just mentioned to someone I know casually irl (I wouldnt say im friends with him) that I was watching it, and they blew up at me. Saying its a waste of time, and "trying to hide REAL trials by putting this fake one front and center."....sounded like some dumb right wing conspiracy theory. And turns out it actually is...wtf
Why video streaming is permitted in the Depp-Heard trial but was not in Ghislaine Maxwell’s
As the defamation case filed by actor Johnny Depp against his former wife and actress Amber Heard unraveled, some social media users online have questioned why this trial is being streamed but the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell in 2021 was not.www.reuters.com
I couldn't have told you what was said unless someone captioned that, so I'm going to go with it meaning nothing unless it's actually addressed.
Yeah, without the captions I wouldn't understand a word of that and now I hear that just because of reading it, not going to believe it unless vetted by a trustworthy source.
I couldn't hear that at all without the captions. We should be very careful with this sort of stuff.
I gave it a listen and sorry, but this is the whole "salute the marines" drama all over again. It's mostly inaudible and people are going to hear in it what they want to hear.
Amazing summary, thanks!I'm catching up, watched the first half through the lunch break and its been pretty devastating for Amber I'd say.
Witness 1: An expert on orthopedics from the AH team that tried to state that it was unlikely that Amber actually threw the bottle that severed Depp's finger for....reasons that seemed dubious. Cross exam by Camille on Depp's side basically got him to prove he 'misstated' on several facts about the incident and that he DID NOT consider many findings in evidence that fed into his dumb conclusion. Basically, it didn't look great for him, but at this point everyone likely forgot his testimony because next came a real highlight of the trial...
Witness 2: Ooh boy...
So this "Dr." or fellow or something made a LOT of statements born out of supposed scientific fact and "evidence-based" discovery that led to a loooong questioning phase. Seemingly devised to counter the claims made previously by more notable witnesses like Dr. Curry(Depp's court approved Dr. that provided testimony about Amber's Narcissistic tendencies and other resulting disorders from direct examination) and surprisingly even Dr. Hughes(Amber's prior expert that appeared to argue she's actually perfect directly following Curry a few weeks back.)
This guy just laid waste to it all and pretty much felt like a hit-job, a hail-mary for team Amber to give the jruy a shotgun blast of science words in the final days of trial to make it appear that Depp was an ego-driven monster that was the real narcissist....
It didn't go well for him in cross.
He huffed and he puffed and he called the court case a sham and threw expert testimony under the bus. He was petulant, he was clearly motivated with bias, he had no proof to forming conclusions on actual facts, he "misstated" a few times, he misconstrued evidence in front of a jury that is VERY familiar given how many weeks it has been discussed to death. It was one of the wilder testimonies of the last several weeks.
And I'm only up to lunch break so far.
That's my GF right now, she's slowly seeing what's happening but it's mind blowing how media can really seep into the mind. I was the same back in 2015 or when ever the original trail was, only heard wife beater and that was enough for me.I talked to one of my colleagues about it and she kept saying she didn't follow the trial, but just thought it was unfair towards Heard. Described it as kicking someone that was already down. I tried to explain to her how terrible Heard has been shown to be in this relationship, but she just kept going "both sides" without proof basically. Some people are just not within reason.
I still can't get over the people on Twitter and the media trying to both sides this thing. Like people legit believe they were both awful? Like from the evidence and testimonies, Heard is on an entire different level of abuse that Depp hasn't even began to approach. Like I feel genuinely sick seeing progressives that I've followed and liked for so long go on about their support for her.
Like aren't we the ones who pride ourselves on fact checking? Yet the reaction I've seen reminds me so much of the Right and their reaction whenever faced with facts that don't reflect their worldview. Stick your fingers in your ears and double down because God forbid you be wrong about anything. Also don't forget to constantly point out extremist behavior from some people and go "Oh look see, the right doesn't believe her so she MUST be the victim!"
Like, have we seriously become so infected with hashtag culture that we simply block out anything that doesn't fall under the #believewomen mantra. Even though there is overwhelming evidence that this woman in particular is an abuser and a liar who very likely used the #metoo movement to gain more fame for herself and kill her ex's career and reputation.
To all the male victims of abuse, I can't even begin to imagine what seeing these takes has done to your mental well-being.
I'm always gonna stand with leftists beliefs. I'll always be pro BLM, pro reproductive rights, pro unionizing, pro healthcare for all, pro women's rights, pro diversity, pro LGBTQIA+ etc. But I can't lie when I say that these reactions have damaged my faith in the left to not be susceptible to falling into right wing style trappings of never being able to admit error if it doesnt fall into their belief system. Like this shit has legitimately truly fucked me up
It genuinely sucks, I agree. I know i used to believe all the Amber Heard stuff until this trial, but it def set the evidence straight and i feel awful for Johnny now. It really does suck when people can't admit they were wrong but i still think the left overall is better at it, but i think it's a human fault in general.I still can't get over the people on Twitter and the media trying to both sides this thing. Like people legit believe they were both awful? Like from the evidence and testimonies, Heard is on an entire different level of abuse that Depp hasn't even began to approach. Like I feel genuinely sick seeing progressives that I've followed and liked for so long go on about their support for her.
Like aren't we the ones who pride ourselves on fact checking? Yet the reaction I've seen reminds me so much of the Right and their reaction whenever faced with facts that don't reflect their worldview. Stick your fingers in your ears and double down because God forbid you be wrong about anything. Also don't forget to constantly point out extremist behavior from some people and go "Oh look see, the right doesn't believe her so she MUST be the victim!"
Like, have we seriously become so infected with hashtag culture that we simply block out anything that doesn't fall under the #believewomen mantra. Even though there is overwhelming evidence that this woman in particular is an abuser and a liar who very likely used the #metoo movement to gain more fame for herself and kill her ex's career and reputation.
To all the male victims of abuse, I can't even begin to imagine what seeing these takes has done to your mental well-being.
I'm always gonna stand with leftists beliefs. I'll always be pro BLM, pro reproductive rights, pro unionizing, pro healthcare for all, pro women's rights, pro diversity, pro LGBTQIA+ etc. But I can't lie when I say that these reactions have damaged my faith in the left to not be susceptible to falling into right wing style trappings of never being able to admit error if it doesnt fall into their belief system. Like this shit has legitimately truly fucked me up