I don't think Obama or Grant were as bad as the rest.
I don't think Obama or Grant were as bad as the rest.
This is such a weird thing to say anyway though, black Americans are just as ideologically diverse as any other group. Just because the majority of this group votes Democrat doesn't negate that at all. Hell, the Democratic Party itself is fairly ideologically diverse.Saying that hispanics are more diverse ideologically than black Americans isn't saying that black Americans are a hive mind.
Its also measurable on most axes, e.g. the political stats that have already been posted are a partial validation. It also just logically follows because hispanics literally have more cultural diversity in their recent ancestry than black Americans.
It feels like nuance is dead on this forum.
They weren't slaves
There were black slaves in places other than the US...They weren't slaves
The cultural erasure+blending as a result of slavery really did forge American Blacks into a fairly unique culture vs. other immigrant diaspora. I mean, the whole existence of Kwanzaa is a result of America erasing peoples culture to the extent that pan-africanism is the best we could offer
They weren't slaves
The cultural erasure+blending as a result of slavery really did forge American Blacks into a fairly unique culture vs. other immigrant diaspora. I mean, the whole existence of Kwanzaa is a result of America erasing peoples culture to the extent that pan-africanism is the best we could offer
Which is why there is debate right now among black people about reparations, and which black people should or should not get them.latinos were actually slaves, but I can imagine you wouldn't consider that if you dont count the black ones, which is why this is not a good answer. Not to mention, not every black person in america were descendants of the slave trade.
You're rightlatinos were actually slaves, but I can imagine you wouldn't consider that if you dont count the black ones, which is why this is not a good answer. Not to mention, not every black person in america were descendants of the slave trade.
Joe Biden calls Donald Trump America's 'first' racist president
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Absolutely. I've talked to a lot of people this year who would've voted for Trump over Bernie and Warren because communism or whatever, but are voting for Biden in November.
it doesn't make sense to me really, but he's our best shot.
This is such a weird thing to say anyway though, black Americans are just as ideologically diverse as any other group. Just because the majority of this group votes Democrat doesn't negate that at all. Hell, the Democratic Party itself is fairly ideologically diverse.
Also "more cultural diversity in their recent ancestry"? What does that mean exactly?
This makes no fucking sense dawg lolI don't think it's weird to state points with strong evidence backing it up, which greatly influence the political landscape of the US.
I just mean if you trace back an equal amount of time for all black Americans and hispanic Americans, and make that a meaningfully recent amount of time (you're more likely to be influenced by the beliefs of your grandparents than great-great-great grandparents), and you then count the unique ethnocultural groupings (geography, religion, language etc) of those ancestors, then hispanic Americans will have more groups.
And then logically the descendants of more groupings will have more diversity in their ideologies.
Note: you really have to use the word diversity here in its pure sense, not as the politically charged version.
I don't think it's weird to state points with strong evidence backing it up, which greatly influence the political landscape of the US.
I just mean if you trace back an equal amount of time for all black Americans and hispanic Americans, and make that a meaningfully recent amount of time (you're more likely to be influenced by the beliefs of your grandparents than great-great-great grandparents), and you then count the unique ethnocultural groupings (geography, religion, language etc) of those ancestors, then hispanic Americans will have more groups.
Man, people really hate Biden here. He was obviously talking about ideological diversity. It's crazy how every gaffe he makes is dissected for malicious intent
Yeah that's fair. The error was made by the person you were replying to then. The point stands.I haven't conflated once in this thread. In fact I made it a point to say black american and not african american.
I don't see how that is possible.Not even close. As much as I despise Bloomberg, I'd feel way less worried going into the next election with him running over Biden. And that says a LOT.
His words weren't strange. Just ignorant and casually racist. But I'd like to point out that many people in this thread are following his lead in at least one aspect. Biden was wrong to speak of African Americans as a monolith, regardless of his intent, but he was equally mistaken to speak of Latinos as a separate racial group when "Latino" isn't a race. One quarter of all Latinos in the US identify as black, the majority of humans of African descent outside of Africa are Latino, and Latin America has the largest population of black people in the Americas. Referring to "Latino" as a race that specifically excludes black people contributes to the erasure of afro-latinos and is insensitive.I expect that the idea behind his very strange words was simply that black people vote Democrat more reliably than Latino people. Totally not the same thing as diversity, but he's a politician running for office. That's exactly how he sees his information, day in and day out.
I don't know how any one can say Black people aren't ideological diverse. Even among Democratic voters there's ideological diversity so I don't really get how people can assume that doesn't extend to Black folk. But y'all say anything to absolve this white man of his nonsense so have itMan, people really hate Biden here. He was obviously talking about ideological diversity. It's crazy how every gaffe he makes is dissected for malicious intent
It's a terrible misconception a lot of us white folk have at times, either due to ignorance or apathy.its reallllllly telling when yall think black people in the states are no more than fucking slaves and our culture and ideology are homogenized because of it.
I don't know how any one can say Black people aren't ideological diverse. Even among Democratic voters there's ideological diversity so I don't really get how people can assume that doesn't extend to Black folk. But y'all say anything to absolve this white man of his nonsense so have it
Definitely help call some of these guys out in this thread doing this shitIt's a terrible misconception a lot of us white folk have at times, either due to ignorance or apathy.
It's just so fucking sad that his biggest asset is he's not Trump and the strategy most people are advocating is "don't talk, Joe."
It wasn't a verbal gaffe. He didn't misspeak. He said the same thing twice in two different interviews. He believes it and for some reason thinks it's a good idea to say it out loud.Oh nooooo...a verbal gaffe! Let's all blow it out of proportion and pretend it's making us question whether he'd be a better President than the demon currently in office. Aaaaaaah! Or something...
The problem we have, of course, is that Biden's past gaffe's have been countered by absolutely catastrophic news cycles for Trump.
That's a luck buffer. We can run out of luck to mitigate Biden's problems and we might have this cycle.
If you don't care you don't have to post. It's pretty easy to ignore the thread actuallyOh nooooo...a verbal gaffe! Let's all blow it out of proportion and pretend it's making us question whether he'd be a better President than the demon currently in office. Aaaaaaah! Or something...
If you don't care you don't have to post. It's pretty easy to ignore the thread actually
It's gonna be wild watching someone get banned from this forum for defending statements made by the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.
It wasn't a verbal gaffe. He didn't misspeak. He said the same thing twice in two different interviews. He believes it and for some reason thinks it's a good idea to say it out loud.
Except this is all bullshit. There are black Latinos, there are tons of black people who have immigrated here from a wide variety of countries with vastly different cultures and ideologies, there are black people who immigrated here who DO have a slave history, but were slaves in entirely different countries and under entirely different European colonial projects and thus, while having a shared generational trauma of 'slavery', have different languages, cultures, and customs. There are people here who's ancestors never experienced slavery but experienced Apartheid, the Holocaust, and other forms of genocideI don't think it's weird to state points with strong evidence backing it up, which greatly influence the political landscape of the US.
I just mean if you trace back an equal amount of time for all black Americans and hispanic Americans, and make that a meaningfully recent amount of time (you're more likely to be influenced by the beliefs of your grandparents than great-great-great grandparents), and you then count the unique ethnocultural groupings (geography, religion, language etc) of those ancestors, then hispanic Americans will have more groups.
And then logically the descendants of more groupings will have more diversity in their ideologies.
Note: you really have to use the word diversity here in its pure sense, not as the politically charged version.
We can demand better out of our candidates without walking all over already vulnerable minorities.Oh nooooo...a verbal gaffe! Let's all blow it out of proportion and pretend it's making us question whether he'd be a better President than the demon currently in office. Aaaaaaah! Or something...
I don't know how they always jump to "so all the black people who voted for him in the primary were wrong, huh?" like it's some kind of gotcha.You know defending the racist shit that just can't stop coming out of Bidens mouth makes you look racist too, right? You don't have to do this.
I really don't think this argument has the weight that you think it does.Man, people really hate Biden here. He was obviously talking about ideological diversity. It's crazy how every gaffe he makes is dissected for malicious intent
Oh nooooo...a verbal gaffe! Let's all blow it out of proportion and pretend it's making us question whether he'd be a better President than the demon currently in office. Aaaaaaah! Or something...
We can demand better out of our candidates without walking all over already vulnerable minorities.
What does this have to do with voting for Biden instead of Trump though? People can dislike this statement and call it out as wrong and still vote for Biden...they aren't mutually exclusive.Ok, as a Black Man, it didn't for a nanosecond make me even consider not voting for him and voting out Orange Satan.
Because I'm an adult and a pragmatist. But go off, I guess...
its reallllllly telling when yall think black people in the states are no more than fucking slaves and our culture and ideology are homogenized because of it.
I agree. I'm seeing some "demand better", I'm seeing most acting like he kicked their mother in the titty. But Outrage Culture loves to be outraged.
I agree. I'm seeing some "demand better", I'm seeing most acting like he kicked their mother in the titty. But Outrage Culture loves to be outraged.
Again with this shit it wasn't the DNC that rejected Bernie it was the people voting. Can y'all stop with this.Biden has always been a complete liar and a disgrace. I still can't believe this is the best the DNC could do. It should have been Bernie.
He seriously needs to make up for this when he takes office though.Yeah, if black voters didn't turn on him for the Breakfast Club interview, they're not gonna turn on him now.