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Jeff Grubb : Has also heard about a Q1 Xbox Show happening (One of the games announced during the show will be a Pentiment level game from Tango)
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Feel like I haven't seen Grubb mentioned for a long time did he stop leaking stuff for a while?
I assume just not much to leak currently considering he still does his daily morning show at Giant Bomb
He's the broken clock that's right twice a day. Grubb on the other hand has a good track record, but with a couple of pretty big but understandable misfires.
He's been spectacularly wrong on one Nintendo instance recently, and he's much much more careful now.
Yeah, he also brings up his persona 5 rumor a lot. Persona 5 was like the highest/one of the most requested games to be ported to other consoles, especially after it became a massive landmark JRPG, after Joker was added to Smash (a character from a series that only had one spin off release on another Nintendo system), and then Strikers releasing multiplat, but the original game still exclusive to PS.
I don't think it was hard to guess that one day Atlus/Sega would see the money and demand, that people wanted Persona everywhere, regardless of how long it took them. I always felt rumors of "persona 5 is coming to x system" as odd, because it felt like, of course it would? I would have actually been shocked if it stayed exclusive forever. It felt like the most barebones rumor and nick just attached himself too. Also adding it launching on gamepass, it doesn't do seem like a big get, as a lot of big third parties that launch later on Xbox tend to go for gamepass launches to get more players, especially if it's a later port.
I just always felt weird that he always attached himself as the originator of the P5 going multiplatform rumor, when the writing was on the walls for years.
What was the Nintendo thing, Prime Remake?
If so at this point I think Nintendo made that shit up just to see who was either leaking from their marketing team or to see which insiders would bite on any random thing they heard.
Dumb ass takes, guys they ported Persona 3 Portable to modern consoles. Beside SMT 4 is still a legit good game that doesn't deserve to be stuck on the 3DS forever.
Despite its neutered exploration, Persona 3 Portable still has battles that look like Persona battles. SMT4's combat system is a complete outlier compared to the two games before and after it and it just looks like crap in action.
The point is, Atlus is not going to remake SMT4 just to release it on Xbox. 3 and 5 could absolutely get ports but SMT4 requires way too much work to make playable on consoles.
First person dungeon crawlers are still being made? I don't think the 2D combat screens is a reason to not port it.
Also Atlus isn't going to remake SMT 4 just to put it on Xbox obviously it would come to Switch and PS5 too. Guy didn't say it was Xbox exclusive.
SMT4 was an option in a survey they did when asking about games people might want ported to modern platforms. I can totally see it coming. Why not make it available to more people even if it doesn't hold up super well visually?
I find it pretty distressing people are like "nah just leave this game on an unsupported system its not pretty enough". Obviously an SMT IV port would require a lot of work but it's work worth doing to preserve the game and make it accessible to new SMT fans who got into the series via SMT V. Plus SMT IV was like a 2013 game, so it's much more likely Atlus still has access to uncompressed assets they could use in a remaster.
SMT IV combat most certainly does not look like crap in action. Those fights were fast paced, smooth, and with really nice animations for all the attacks.
First-Person battles are not inherently bad, they were ATLUS bread and butter before Nocturne. They aren't going to never touch the first half of the company's catalogue because they are first person lmao
The only major hurdle for them to overcome is the UI because it was designed for two screens.
How so? Everything being discussed is the rumors presented in the video. The thread title just missed on which one would be the highlight. lol
Yeah no.
P3P has 3D models for battles so upscaling it to 4K is just going to make it look horrible. It's still PS2 / PSP era 3D models. Getting closer and closer to 20 years old now. Just…no. The UI and stuff outside of battle should looks great with a minor / 4K touch up. And this P3P port to modern platforms doesn't even look that substantial, the bare minimum. It's better than nothing however.
SMTIV has the opposite problem here. Outside of battles, again, upscaling these 3DS era models and textures are going to look horrendous on 4K displays. But, in battle, upscaling the UI and 2D demons to 4K is going to look great. Same deal with P3P, those 2D character portraits will look great upscaled to 4K. The problem to solve will be combining the two screens, and those fan mock-ups posted a page or two back look damn good.
Saying that P3P aged better than SMTIV is totally hyperbolic. Both have aged poorly in their own regards.
The badly animated "two frames of cycling animation" battle sprites are going to look like shit and the particle effects already looked cheap on the 3DS. You're right that both have aged poorly but I think the visual design of SMTIV is a relic that only works when in context with extremely low budget games, not Atlus' flagship RPG franchise.
XO would be fine if they got rid of the stilted, smiley faced, fake-ass banter and realized that being surrounded by Xbox fanboys making "X"s with their arms and stuff makes normal human beings cringe.
Xbox need to let their hair down a bit in general. Phil Spencer is always generally quite likeable in interviews, but even he comes off like he's about to announce he's running for President of the United States or something during his speeches at their events (as does Sarah Bond now too).
I think a early 2023 show would be good for Xbox and hopefully they choose the format PS and Nintendo had so much success with. I'd like to see more of Forza Motorsport with a deep dive, because this is a reboot. I'd also like to see Fable, but I'd imagine that's one of the big games at E3. Starfield is a must, too. Then there is Avowed, Perfect Dark and so much more. That's why it's hard to predict what they gonna do.
I believe Xbox missed a huge opportunity at TGA, because the show was watched by more than 100 million people. That's insane and not even all Directs, SoP and Xbox shows of a year added up will come close to the number. That said I look forward to the showcase and hopefully Xbox gives us a show each 3-4 months going forward. They have a lot in the pipeline and even though creating vertical slices takes time, they probably can do that. It's not a big problem, if 3-4 months is not met, but I hope Xbox does more shows than they previously have.
I believe Xbox missed a huge opportunity at TGA, because the show was watched by more than 100 million people. That's insane and not even all Directs, SoP and Xbox shows of a year added up will come close to the number. That said I look forward to the showcase and hopefully Xbox gives us a show each 3-4 months going forward. They have a lot in the pipeline and even though creating vertical slices takes time, they probably can do that. It's not a big problem, if 3-4 months is not met, but I hope Xbox does more shows than they previously have.
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It's not that I think P3P has aged well. They've both aged badly but P3P aged 'less worse' in my opinion. I'm not a fan of the modern persona series but if I was, the P3P port looks like a game I might give a chance.
On the other hand, I am a big SMT fan, I've gotten my friends into the series etc, and I wouldn't even consider playing a straight port of SMT 4 to modern consoles. TBH it didn't even look or play particularly good for the time it released in, way back in 2013. It might be a good thing for people who want that retro feel but I don't think it's going to appeal to many people outside of that, except maybe the most dedicated SMT fans.
The segment is literally "The Rumor Mill"… stuff like this is kinda the point. Maybe if you guys treated game discussion with a bit of fun instead of life or death, you could lighten up a bit. Some of ya'll didn't grow up with Quartermann and it shows.
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Soul Hackers 2 just recently came out that doesn't look anything like SMTIV. Smooth animations, particle effects look great and support for 120 FPS. And yet, it's still feels budgeted and is mid AF. Giving this kind of support to SMTIV would be nice but it's still a better game. So it really doesn't matter at the end of the day how the battles look.
Imagine if people took Quartermann in EGM this seriously back in the day. :D He would have been exiled from gaming discussions. They literally just made stuff up when they didn't have a rumor for the fun of it.
Na, having fun isn't allowed here. It's all work and no play when it comes to video games!
This still isn't an argument against porting it though. Preservation is very important even if you've got weird hangups over the presentation of a niche JRPG series.
My point is, I don't think the game is going to be successful financially because it doesn't appeal to many people. It's not like persona which has a much broader appeal. Knowing atlus, they are extremely conservative because they're a smaller company and can't really afford many mistakes. It's not like square enix where they try literally everything and see what sticks. Atlus barely updates any of their old games and does it very selectively.
Ha, I literally edited my post to say something about Quartermann right before you did. It's just a bit of fun sharing some stuff he's heard, dedicated to its own segment of the show specifically designed to not be taken as gospel. It's fun. And sometimes right, like when he was the first to get the Ghost of Tsushima expansion right. Right down to it's name.
I think a lot of people hear this stuff second or third-hand and don't understand it is literally in "The Rumor Mill" segment, but whatever.
I don't see how spreading false rumors is fun at all. At best, it serves no purpose whatsoever. At worst, it gets peoples hopes up for no reason. So why even bother?
Dude ATLUS IS OWNED BY SEGA.
SMT is already a niche series, Atlus makes niche games. SMT IV was a popular title by the series standards at the time.
Please I'm begging you think about this for a second.
Wait, who's spreading false rumours? Do you think Nick is just making this all up to torture this forum and other places like it?
And hell, this rumour isn't even far fetched. They ported 3 Persona games over including one that released on the friggen PSP. Sure SMT is more niche, but clearly Xbox has an interest in getting these kind of titles unto gamepass. See also the Yakuza series.
I don't know Nick, but from the feedback I've heard in this thread, he gets a lot of things wrong. So it sounds like he puts content out there that says 'i've heard x,y,z" and a good amount of the time it isn't true. So to do that kind of thing, if you aren't really sure, falls into two categories:
1) Completely pointless to put out because it wasn't true and served no purpose
2) At worst got peoples hopes up who believed it
I don't think a straight port of SMT 4 is going to appeal to anyone but the most die-hard of SMT fans because it just doesn't have a lot of QOL and modern things RPG fans like from games, and also doesn't have the following persona does where many more people will play it just because it's in the persona brand. I think it'll be as successful as something like earthbound on NSO.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand what "Pentiment level game" entails?
On the same level as Pentiment, as in scope?
On the same level as Pentiment, as in genre?
On the same level as Pentiment, as in budget?
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On the same level as Pentiment, as in scope?
On the same level as Pentiment, as in genre?
On the same level as Pentiment, as in budget?
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Or maybe it's 3) - to have some fun? He very rarely says things are happening for certain, just that he's heard this from someone who was right on something else etc and so he felt confident enough to talk about it.
And I'm not going to get into a giant list here, but he's been both right and wrong. Tbh he's been right more often then wrong, but that's just how it works with "insiders", with people hyperfocusing on the misses and not the hits. Like heck using your words, you could say "a good amount of time it's true."
I imagine he mentioned it might take some time because it took a while for the Persona series to come, which he also brought up in this "rumour mill" section a while back.
Will SMT come to Xbox? Who knows. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but you don't need to take every single rumour your hear super seriously.
Scope and budget imo. Basically meaning a smaller title that's not going to blow the world away with its announcement.
You know Nocturne remaster added in the QoL innovations 4 introduced, right?
To be fair that's on those people. I didn't trust everyone, but I did trust "trustworthy" insiders in the past and even those insiders get a lot of things wrong. I got upset about them previously, but now I just changed how I perceive rumors even from "reliable" insiders. Btw I don't think Nick is reliable, but as I've said before even reliable ones get so much wrong whether it's about Directs, SoP dates, hardware (Switch Pro release date, ...) and features (Quick Resume on PS5, ...) or games.
Don't get me wrong, I still discuss rumors, but I learned for my sake that getting overly excited isn't worth it, because most rumors are bs for various reasons.
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It's the project I have the most hope from out of Xbox Studios. All I want is the abilty to be good/evil, to do things like steal or kick chickens and get reactions from people.
But it still feels a ways off.
Yeah fair - the people on the receiving end of the rumor can control how much they are affected by it by not blindly believing things and so on. With that said, I stand by what I said, even if they don't get people's hopes it, at best it's pointless and serves no purpose. So I think it's better if these people don't actually know, to not imply or hint anything, as it has no point in the first place.
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I'm worried they won't keep the blending of genres with sims elements. My other concern is the game will be a bunch of repetitive repeatable dailies like Destiny and it won't have comparable story content to the original games. I hope I'm wrong.
God I didn't even think of the live service aspect 😕
My biggest fear is if Fable becomes an MMO with a focus on multiplayer at the expense of a detailed and interactive world.
The best parts of Fable were dicking around the cities seeing the reactions you get, as far as combat, story and quests go Playground Games can go crazy and reinvent those parts as much as they like.
I'd like to see a return of the triple experience system tbh. I really liked how you could blend in all three aspects, melee, magic, and ranged, into a single combat encounter. That's a big part of what makes Fable so memorable for me.
I expect and hope Fable will have co-op (probably 2 players) like Fables 2 & 3 did (and 1 was suposed to, but it got cut), but it won't be an MMO at all. I don't think you have to fear that.