Jason Schreier: Stadia looks to be a "monumental flop", pre-orders are below expectations
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This is fair but it is also not what they're offering at launch. We can only talk about what they have now, not the future. And since they seem to not be able to hit their stated claims right now I'm not sure they will be able to hit "$0 up front, bring your own keyboard or controller" ever.
Yeah that's bad. As long as we have things like xcloud where streaming us an option but not a necessity, that's good.
XCloud is in beta with a limited library also. Right now your options are Stadia or PSNow. And at this point in time Stadia performs better than XCloud and PSNow. It doesn't have as many games sure. It's just like every other console launch.
I'm still kinda baffled, about the whole launch, to be quite honest.
- They had kinda an easy game. The competition is not doing anything till next year. Why the rush?
- Games are a bit too expensive, yeah, i know, AC Odyssey also cost 60€ on XBL or PSN, but, here is where they could have used it to their advantage. Sell games a bit cheaper at start, cause, they are old games, most people have it anyway. I'm guessing, they are getting a 30% cut from each sold game? So why dont they just don't cash their cut on these games at start? Without the 30%-cut, they could sell the games for 42 Euros, and i think, more people would then try those games/new tech out, but paying full price, and then having some issues, worse quality then on consoles? That's not gonna work
- No big exclusives... they have to be having planing this for years, this is just inexcusable
- I would have waited with the release till Cyberpunk, and if it's possible till then, Cyberpunk in 4k and 60FPS? I would buy it immediately, cause then, i wouldn't have to upgrade my computer.
- I still think, that streaming is good, and it's going to be the future, but Google is going at it kinda half-assed. Many will wait to see what the competition is going to offer. There is no need for Gamers to rush and buy this, cause most games they either own, or can buy it for console/pc.
Having said that, i hope Google is gonna stick with it, and keep improving it.
- They had kinda an easy game. The competition is not doing anything till next year. Why the rush?
- Games are a bit too expensive, yeah, i know, AC Odyssey also cost 60€ on XBL or PSN, but, here is where they could have used it to their advantage. Sell games a bit cheaper at start, cause, they are old games, most people have it anyway. I'm guessing, they are getting a 30% cut from each sold game? So why dont they just don't cash their cut on these games at start? Without the 30%-cut, they could sell the games for 42 Euros, and i think, more people would then try those games/new tech out, but paying full price, and then having some issues, worse quality then on consoles? That's not gonna work
- No big exclusives... they have to be having planing this for years, this is just inexcusable
- I would have waited with the release till Cyberpunk, and if it's possible till then, Cyberpunk in 4k and 60FPS? I would buy it immediately, cause then, i wouldn't have to upgrade my computer.
- I still think, that streaming is good, and it's going to be the future, but Google is going at it kinda half-assed. Many will wait to see what the competition is going to offer. There is no need for Gamers to rush and buy this, cause most games they either own, or can buy it for console/pc.
Having said that, i hope Google is gonna stick with it, and keep improving it.
I wonder if they would have been better to try and launch stadia after next gen started. Not when consoles are basically at the cheapest they will be before next gen launches.
Completely unsurprised. No buzz surrounding the launch coupled with technical performance issues, lack of promised features and a ridiculous game pricing structure.
Completely unsurprising. Aside from the tech hurdles that have yet to be remedied for this kind of product to really take off in the mainstream, if they were trying to launch a service this ambitious they needed to make sure they had a lot of content to offer, which they obviously did not.
Streaming is cool... but who'd want to pay $130 to join a new ecosystem that's game- and feature- poor when xCloud is right around the corner?
Of course this wouldn't be the case. We don't know how many Founders' Editions Google sold. It could be 100 units and Google could still say they "sold out."
You're stating this as a fact but based on your personal opinion. So the millions of people playing battle royales don't play "hardcore" games. How many of these are playing on mobile when they are away from their console or PC ? Even if they were casual gamers as you say, would you not think they would be interested in trying out other games on mobile....if it was on a service that worked with a decent price ?
I primarily play on my console but I would like the option to also play some games on a mobile device when away from my house.
Well, if they can't render this gen games at 4K now, good luck for next gen games and the inevitable comparison.
But what audience will buy $60 games but cant afford a console? I worked min wage when ps4 came out, so like $15k a year, and even my coworkers who literally only play nba2k has ps4's by 2014.
I dunno paying for a game then playing it on my iPad at 1080p with great graphics sounds nice. As it is not very interested because if I have to play on my tv via a chromecast might as well just use my Xbox. When it's fully out and I can use an app on my iPad with a google Wi-Fi controller I'm totally trying it out. A Gamepass sub service would be great too but I doubt many new games will show up on it.
All this negative talk reminds me how people kept saying digital sales were going to fail and we see how that turned out.
All this negative talk reminds me how people kept saying digital sales were going to fail and we see how that turned out.
I suspect this will be his last high profile position within the industry if this continues to flop hard.
He just missed the Ouya and the Wii U, but he has handled 3 of the worst 5 platform launches in the last 15 years.
A laxative you put into your coffee. Tastes like coffee, but you'll shit your pants.
I don't understand why everyone wants it to fail. Why is having more choice a bad thing? No one is forcing you to use it or pay for it. Let the people who want it, enjoy it.
what they do to you?
i prefer for them to survive and fine tune the experience m
I got into X-Cloud last night and within minutes was streaming games on one of our phones (not mine as I'm Apple). I was impressed. More so than Stadia at this moment. Which, considering our Android phone is a Samsung, Stadia wouldn't even work.
As we've said forever, a streaming-only platform for AAA games, targeted at people who don't play AAA games, appeals to neither the hardcore console/PC player nor the casual gamer.
It's a solution in search of a problem.
It feels like they're making a mistake similar to Xbox in 2013, focusing on television, instead of the core audience who, in this case, want a download option OR a monthly unlimited play option.
It's a solution in search of a problem.
It feels like they're making a mistake similar to Xbox in 2013, focusing on television, instead of the core audience who, in this case, want a download option OR a monthly unlimited play option.
They should've combined those Google smart glasses from years ago with Stadia and make us able to stream games to them. lol
The glasses could've served as the VR headset of sorts.
Fuck it.
The glasses could've served as the VR headset of sorts.
Fuck it.
It isn't about not being able to afford a console. People can afford 4K Blu Ray players - but they don't buy them because they can buy a 4K movie digitally and stream it. Does it look as good? They don't care.
When you can choose between $250+$60 and $0+$60 to play Square Enix's Avengers the math with make sense to a good amount of people. It will make sense to a lot of people going into next-gen.
It's launching with year old, overpriced games, and virtually zero exclusives. And the games somehow manage to look and run worse than their 'last-gen' competition. That's unlike any other console launch.
And xCloud is literally a couple months away. So yeah, I guess if someone REALLY needs to stream year old games TODAY, right at this very moment, then sure, have at it with Stadia.
With pricing like that, yeah.
If I were paying a monthly subscription and my games were all 19.99 brand new release and 9.99 otherwise then hell yeah.
But they should have known, if someone is willing to spend that much money to own a game then they are the same demographic that would be buying the console to play and own it.
They would have made fucktons of money if they were more generous with the pricing. :/
There's still time to turn it around, it's the internet age, snap decisions can be made. But my hopes are low.
If I were paying a monthly subscription and my games were all 19.99 brand new release and 9.99 otherwise then hell yeah.
But they should have known, if someone is willing to spend that much money to own a game then they are the same demographic that would be buying the console to play and own it.
They would have made fucktons of money if they were more generous with the pricing. :/
There's still time to turn it around, it's the internet age, snap decisions can be made. But my hopes are low.
It's like Google saw how Crackdown 3 turned out and thought hey let's base a console around that!
More choice isn't bad.
But this imo is a terrible choice due to the game prices. Like holy hell, I'm not going to pay $60 for a game that doesn't even require the fullpower of stadia that my own computer can run and that has been on sale since forever.
They need to improve it imo to market better because right now, it's unappealing.
The most damning thing for me is not the sales or the reviews, but that they have started to lose the 'Founders' with the bombshell that Destiny 2 is being rendered at 1080p and upscaled to 4K, running at medium PC settings, going against basically all of their messaging over the last six months.
It's made the Pro tier essentially worthless unless there are significant and quick improvements.
How they respond to it is critical. They could begin by offering far more than the initial 3 months of pro available to Founders.
It's made the Pro tier essentially worthless unless there are significant and quick improvements.
How they respond to it is critical. They could begin by offering far more than the initial 3 months of pro available to Founders.
I'd say 90% of the people interested in the Avengers game already have ps4s and xboxes
Can all those Stadia fans of which there are (were?) a surprisingly large number of on ERA please eat their crow now?
If it didn't look bad enough from the beginning, Stadia certainly became a bad product destined for quick failure. And yet... plenty people pretending otherwise to a degree that just can't be healthy.
Fricking negative-latency got defended by some...
If it didn't look bad enough from the beginning, Stadia certainly became a bad product destined for quick failure. And yet... plenty people pretending otherwise to a degree that just can't be healthy.
Fricking negative-latency got defended by some...
It doesn't have to be for you. It's not for everyone. People who have invested 1000s of dollar into a PC may not need this, but maybe not everyone has a PC or a console. People could choose to ignore and move on with their Consoles/PCs, instead of actively shitting on it.
It's kind of fucked up that it's not the tech that's bad - it's the service around it. Really shit way to introduce streaming to gaming. I have a lot more hope in Microsoft pulling it off artfully and in a more consumer-friendly way, so my eggs are in that basket.
just thinking about how much it cost to build out the infrastructure for this and seeing the sub-par hardware results
then thinking about how much it will cost to replace all those blades to even come close to next gen consoles and PC video cards
then thinking about how much it will cost to replace all those blades to even come close to next gen consoles and PC video cards
They're not going anywhere. These comments about the service being a flop are just hyperbole.
Once they fix the issues and the free trials become available they'll be fine.
And when XCloud is available then we can do a comparison. You're willing to give a service that hasn't taken off yet the benefit of the doubt over one that actually exists. How good are those games on XCloud going to look in comparison? They currently run at 720p.
What's insane to me is that orders were below expectation AND they've had issues shipping to those orders. What a fiasco.
I'm very interested in a service like Stadia that Google announced ~6-8 months ago with the features they mentioned. But what they delivered this week is not what they showed 6+ months ago. What's funny is the thing most people banked on being a failure, the streaming technology itself, is actually successful and much better than other attempts before it, but the service wrapping it is all half-baked, not ready for release.
I think the investment is probably easier for Google because they can provision a lot of that equipment from other hardware used in Google Cloud Platform. Of course, some hardware isn't as transferrable as other. The software investment in their streaming technology will come and go back and forth between investments in other applications, like YouTube, YouTube TV, and other interactive open-socket applications (Google Docs for instance).
But yeah... unless they can right the ship, they'll take a loss on this. Google doesn't care, they piss money, but money is money
I'm very interested in a service like Stadia that Google announced ~6-8 months ago with the features they mentioned. But what they delivered this week is not what they showed 6+ months ago. What's funny is the thing most people banked on being a failure, the streaming technology itself, is actually successful and much better than other attempts before it, but the service wrapping it is all half-baked, not ready for release.
I think the investment is probably easier for Google because they can provision a lot of that equipment from other hardware used in Google Cloud Platform. Of course, some hardware isn't as transferrable as other. The software investment in their streaming technology will come and go back and forth between investments in other applications, like YouTube, YouTube TV, and other interactive open-socket applications (Google Docs for instance).
But yeah... unless they can right the ship, they'll take a loss on this. Google doesn't care, they piss money, but money is money
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There's endless impressions of the xCloud beta and they're nearly all extremely positive. And xCloud is focused on mobile device streaming, which is the correct approach.