Does anyone find the term "queer" to be slightly derogatory? Like, the definition is strange or odd, seems like a bad choice of word to me.
Just gay, there's nothing wrong with the word gay. Plus it has positive rather than negative connotations.
Does anyone find the term "queer" to be slightly derogatory? Like, the definition is strange or odd, seems like a bad choice of word to me.
Just gay, there's nothing wrong with the word gay. Plus it has positive rather than negative connotations.
There is a lesbian android couple in a chapter who outright say they are in love. You can let them escape or shoot them when they fight you Blade Runner style or throw the fight. Sparing them is seen as the good option. If they live they appear throughout in other chapters holding hands and looking at you from the background.
I literally just finished Syndicate last night and I was extremely disappointed there wasn't a hint at bi whatsoever. It's one of those things that they just tacked on later in like interviews since he didn't have a love interest. He gets kissed by a villain but it's in non-consensual get away from me kind of way, so how does that even count.
She confirms it when Gregg and Angus bemoan the fact they're the only queer people in town.Mae as well seems to be bi, though the game doesn't highlight it too often as the game is mostly focused on her condition and depression.
But there's a lot of really cool interactions she has with some of the people around town, especially if you talk to them every day.
I can't take Mortal Kombat's LGBT+ representation seriously while they pay Ronda Rousey to be in the game.Mortal Kombat X had Kung Jin. Jacqui wears a Pride jacket in MK11 so maybe she's bi? An ally?
Does anyone find the term "queer" to be slightly derogatory? Like, the definition is strange or odd, seems like a bad choice of word to me.
Just gay, there's nothing wrong with the word gay. Plus it has positive rather than negative connotations.
RimWorldWhat was the game from a couple of years ago where someone in the press looked through the code and reported that 'all women are bisexual, and no men are bi'.
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Yup, LGBTQ+ representation is still lacking.
Really disappointing he didn't make it in, especially with Rhonda Rousey voicing Sonya. Makes Jacqui flying pride colors for him feel hollow.Kung Jin in Mortal Kombat X.
A bit disappointed he didn't made it to MK11, though at least he has sone cameos and mentions.
1 couple and that's it from what i remember. he was too busy making race allegories
The problem is you are praying to the wrong God, game writters aren't suddendly gonna put better romance on screen in a game when not even schools (or hell, movies) are leading the way, they are the ones that should be pushed to change society, writting in games is too incompetent/simple for this stuff (but they can improve)I think we're at a point where representation needs to be genuine deep representation of relationships. Writing of romantic relationships in major games has always been pretty awful, it's completely simplistic stereotypical nonsense. People need to see real LGBTQ relationships (as well as real heterosexual relationships) to have true diversity. Especially kids, kids are growing up playing these games that are as bad or worse than the worst romcom or michael bay "romance" plot lines in movies. Considering right wing lunatics constantly push against relationship and sexual education in school these kids are literally learning everything from games and porn. It is not acceptable on any level and it's extremely detrimental to people's growth.
Yeah It's intresting that glancing through this thread there are more women represented than men. Probably because of thisYeah that's definitely a valid point to bring up. Lesbian relationships also work as straight male fantasy. I could also bet that for many guys it would be more uncomfortable to play out love interest towards man than towards woman when the playable character is woman.
Depends on where you are. Also, "gay" is pretty specifically "someone who likes the same gender", not anybody under the rainbow.Does anyone find the term "queer" to be slightly derogatory? Like, the definition is strange or odd, seems like a bad choice of word to me.
Just gay, there's nothing wrong with the word gay. Plus it has positive rather than negative connotations.
Does anyone find the term "queer" to be slightly derogatory? Like, the definition is strange or odd, seems like a bad choice of word to me.
Just gay, there's nothing wrong with the word gay. Plus it has positive rather than negative connotations.
Reminds how great the player customization in Saints Row 4 was. One of the few that allows androgynous and gender fluid player creations.We actually had LGBTQ+ characters in Agents of Mayhem, but so few people played it that it isn't even on the wiki linked earlier.
Representation is really something games both need to be better about including, but even ones that do need to do a better job of how they include it. As both a dev and father to someone who identifies as gender fluid, I want to see more games have characters that members of the community can identify with. When attempting to be inclusive, dev teams shouldn't just make assumptions, and should instead talk to members of their team that identify as LGBTQ+ that are willing to make sure that said inclusivity isn't exploitative. We (devs) need to be better.
Technically Jim Sterling is canon in Undertale where he's all about Papyrus.
And then the internet took it to the next level...
*note; even he had no idea how the last couple of minutes would turn out*
No, this is just from what I've heard from people who played Death of the Outsider(I haven't).Emiliy is implied to be queer? I must've missed that because the game did its very best to never mention Emily's orientation. Her love interest is referenced as "he" in a book but they backpedalled on that saying it was an error and that his/her gender should be unspecified. I call that the avoiding the issue completely. Then in the translations of certain languages, where you can't get around not specifying a gender, he is male so how much of an error was it really?
The problem is you are praying to the wrong God, game writters aren't suddendly gonna put better romance on screen in a game when not even schools (or hell, movies) are leading the way, they are the ones that should be pushed to change society, writting in games is too incompetent/simple for this stuff (but they can improve)
Does anyone find the term "queer" to be slightly derogatory? Like, the definition is strange or odd, seems like a bad choice of word to me.
Just gay, there's nothing wrong with the word gay. Plus it has positive rather than negative connotations.
It's a reclaimed word. Plus there's a lot of people under the umbrella who aren't strictly gay.
Theres also a Lesbian Olmakhan Charr couple on the Labyrinthine Cliffs map during the festival of four winds. They also speak about planning to start a family and settle down after traveling the world a bit first.
Also, a Gay Sylvari couple is part of the first few story quests of the Sylvari "Green Huntsman " storyline.
I understand that perspective, but Chloe is as close to a cannon queer character that series has. The fact that:
is my problem. The game still feels like it is abusing the queer character for drama. I do recognize that that game is a bit of a blindspot for me. The way the final episode played out for me just felt a little mean spirited. I don't mean to be unfair to the game though, it has a lot of good parts, I just have problems with the direction it chose to end in.Neither ending she is allowed to be even close to happy.
To be fair, they're kind of close beforehand and you can tell throughout their story arc that Jacob feels some sort of connection with him so it's not like it comes completely out of nowhere. There's a build-up to it. The main problem IMO is just that the game never really hints at their connection possibly being of a romantic and/or sexual nature. It can all be read as purely platonic on Jacob's side.Even better: according to the writers, said non-consensual kiss was his bi awakening which you know... grody
I look at it as one of those things where they had a really solid, well developed theme about growing up, accepting responsibility, facing the past, and learning the hard truth that some consequences need to be lived with rather than dealt with AND they also wanted to push representation in a positive way, it just so happened that their theme and that goal of positive representation unfortunately crossed in an unintended "kill your gays" sort of way.
I wouldn't want the game without either of those things, and in the end although it is unfortunate I believe the game is still stronger for having both.
I can appreciate that they wanted to tell a story with those themes, and for the most part I think they did a good job. My major problem is I think they handled their ending very poorly, and their decision to not make Max a cannon LGBTQ character lead to some uncomfortable implications. The way the story plays out it kind of feels like the two cannon queer women, both of whom had troubled home lives and in one's case major depression, had to die to teach the less developed more middle class girl to be decisive and have confidence.
I am vastly oversimplifying the themes and story I know, but the developers not having Max be cannon LGBTQ really hurts the story in my opinion, and opens it up to being considered a Bury Your Gays story. I understand that the game sort of presented itself as being a vehicle for player choice, but the lack of player agency heading towards a binary ending kind of weaken that position. The fact that you can only really kiss Chloe in one of the endings, and the Bae ending is so much weaker than the other also sort of irritates the issue for me.
I do consider LiS a positive step forward, and I admire the game for a bunch of reasons, I just have some lingering issues with some of the story choices they made. Maybe they addressed some of my problems in that comic book they were going to make. I also acknowledge that part of the reason I judge this game so harshly is that there are very few games that are willing to use these kinds of characters. If there was more representation, I would probably feel less upset. I am really sorry if I seem rude or combative on this subject. You make a really valid case, and my frustration isn't exactly fair and unbiased. I hope my points make a little sense at least.