"Mr. Biden was given time for an afternoon nap each day".
I don't even know what to say.
It sounds like Biden's condition is a lot worse than the White House is letting on.
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'It's a mess': Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate
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"Mr. Biden was given time for an afternoon nap each day".
I don't even know what to say.
It sounds like Biden's condition is a lot worse than the White House is letting on.
No offense, but when we are rightfully being told democracy is on the line, it really comes off contradictory when people are being told to suddenly ignore the peril and let the fait of democracy for 300 million people come down to the counsel of Biden by unelected family members and an unelected campaign staff that's ambitions and financial incentives are tied to the president's campaign and whom all just thought it was a good idea to hype up and agree to a debate with a gish gallop machine with no fact-checkers. To think about 2028 if we must.
Also, that is a hard sell for the purple democrat down ballot if their tight margins begin slipping in the next week as polls begin coming out
Biden is not king of the Democrats and I think people forget that. There are literally thousands of down ballot races that his campaign affects. Many in contested battles where the enthusiasm and persuasion Biden brings will make or break their campaigns. They are unlikely to be comforted by the idea that Jill and Hunter and the guy calling his own party "The Invertebrate Bedwetting Brigade" are offering words of encouragement(though that is a sold line, I have to give it to em lol).
Either way Dems have to prepare for both options. Even if he doesn't want to step down because he's feeling ok at the moment, it's a vicious circle because from now on he'll get even more anxious which will make it more likely to happen again and so on. If he's very tired which is likely given his age, it won't make things any better. It's the Dem's responsibility to be preparing for the worst.
As there isn't much time left, they might have to go with the practical solution, so Kamala.
The fact that the debate is on the table is a good thing in my opinion.
Even though it's a tough situation to deal with, the big mistake would be to be passive, hoping for the best.
Whatever decision is ultimately taken, it must be a real choice.
The silver lining is that it didn't happen closer to the election day, at least they still have time to think about it.
As there isn't much time left, they might have to go with the practical solution, so Kamala.
The fact that the debate is on the table is a good thing in my opinion.
Even though it's a tough situation to deal with, the big mistake would be to be passive, hoping for the best.
Whatever decision is ultimately taken, it must be a real choice.
The silver lining is that it didn't happen closer to the election day, at least they still have time to think about it.
Not that we need anymore hypotheticals but... if the Dems do make a swap at the DNC, will any of the Red States, or even the battleground states with GOP control, actually replace Biden on their ballots with this new candidate without any pushback? Something tells me there will be an attempt to block any changes by the GoP's clown car lawyer army, it'll wind up in SCOTUS, and they will side with....who?
I think he's toast as is. Doesn't your gut tell you the same thing? And even if he isn't, one more fuck up like last week will surely pound the last nail in his coffin with ease. The coffin in this case barely being metaphorical.
I agree that it would be a very bad look to replace him now. Which is why they should have started planning for this four damn years ago.
My problems is if they don't switch him out now for bare minimum Harris and he fucks up again.....then you're pulling him even closer or after the primaries?
Hell of a gamble either way
Hell of a gamble either way
Based on so many articles and stories I think it is. Just too many various journalists with sources, to deny something is up. The correct course of action is where most of the disagreement is I think.
The DNC is where the nominee is picked. Biden is uncontested at the moment, but he's not the nominee yet. If Democrats pick someone other than Biden at the DNC, its not a swap, it's just choosing the nominee.
Posted Yet? So many threads are moving so fast, apologies if so:
The article notes, this person is not some central power holder, but does have influence within the executive DNC, but it gives an idea of what a condensed primary could look like. It also notes it would require Biden to release his delegates when stepping down.
Personally, if they did something like this it would be the most energy-inducing and forward-thinking thing Democrats have done in some time.
Two open debates, polls to follow, then rolling right into the convention where you have a televised version of the sort of jostling that used to happen pre-1970.
Every Trump attack would get all of the media looking at the 4-5 candidates to offer the counterattacks, Democrats would get the sort free advertising Trump got in 2016 and it would supercharge Democratic messaging and attacks.
D.N.C. Member Pitches Process to Replace Biden as Nominee in Memo to Party Chair
The process, outlined by James Zogby, starts with an unlikely prospect: President Biden announcing that he would drop out of the race.The article notes, this person is not some central power holder, but does have influence within the executive DNC, but it gives an idea of what a condensed primary could look like. It also notes it would require Biden to release his delegates when stepping down.
Personally, if they did something like this it would be the most energy-inducing and forward-thinking thing Democrats have done in some time.
Two open debates, polls to follow, then rolling right into the convention where you have a televised version of the sort of jostling that used to happen pre-1970.
Every Trump attack would get all of the media looking at the 4-5 candidates to offer the counterattacks, Democrats would get the sort free advertising Trump got in 2016 and it would supercharge Democratic messaging and attacks.
Call me am optimist, but even if Trump wins I feel like 2028 will still be more like the polish elections then the Russian ones. In Russia the results where set in stone, while in Poland there was a clear thumb on the scale giving one party a huge advantage, but the opposition was able to overcome it eventually and is now starting to fix things. Not saying it will not be bad of course, because it would be. But I don't believe, or at least want to believe, that there is no hope at all for America if trump wins. It will be very hard, but not impossible.
They are debating on switching him out with only what 3 months before the election? Yeah that isn't going to help anyone.
There is always hope. I don't think Trump will cancel the election. There are too many blue states with too much economic power for that to ever work. He will certainly try to sue to run for a 3rd term assuming he's still alive.
So he had a cold, was jetlagged and is old. Have I missed any of his excuses so far?
Being tired from having to travel the world causing him to ... almost fall asleep on stage during a debate?
I mean, valid excuse or not, if I did that I'd probably almost fall asleep on a debate stage too as a 48 year old in decent health. But I'm not running for any office
What the hell, indeed. I'd say context is crucial, but having a convicted felon just chillaxing around the White House is insanely poor optics, not the least when considering Hunter's, well, everything.
Not that this validates any of the rabid right-wing conspiracies surrounding the poor sap, of course -- miss me with your disingenuous horseshit, Reddit -- but this is the kind of thing we'd blast Trump for whenever he had uncleared family members running about.
You're also not president and dealing with all of that crap that comes with it.
Not that it excuses his team making the schedule, if we can see it from that angle. I don't know what they were thinking.
Ya. If the sources were confused about Hunter being there then this is not normal for them. I think doing stuff that isn't normal at this point in time is not the best idea.
Trump is also, thankfully, old
And doesn't live a healthy lifestyle.
The only reason his debate performance wasn't amongst the worst in history is because Biden's was that bad
He's not a young Stalin or Hitler, but I also am not as confident.
To me what worries me and always has is the party itself. Shit didn't start with Trump and it won't end with him. I lived in deep red states and it's a preview of what Republicans seek to do nationally, which is rig the system in a way where you have the facade of democratic choice, but in reality it's a brutally corrupt uni-party rule that deteriorates all QOL, even most of the people that think they like Republicans. Except doing it on the national stage has so many more far reaching consequences and harms that can be brought. Especially with the SC as it is.
But I do think it's not entiriely hopeless, but I also don't know how much is truly fixable in our lifetimes
Someone posted this in the thread below the tweet; I'm assuming this is a legit timeline that was posted?
The France trip was June 5th through June 9th.
The Italy trip was June 12th through June 14th.
He was settled in at Camp David the week before the debate.
The debate was on June 27th, almost two weeks after his return from the second trip.
I could've sworn he didn't have any big trips right before the debate and the post above mine seems to confirm this. He's claiming to have still been tired from a Europe trip thirteen days after returning from it. I don't know how to interpret that other than either A) he's straight up lying and wasn't still recovering from travel or B) he's physically incapable of carrying out the duties of the presidency because a trip overseas fatigues him for 10+ days afterward.
He needs something better than this to assuage concerns, and I feel like the cold hard truth is that he doesn't have any ammo left. This is just who he is and what we're left with.
Wasn't he at Camp David for 6 days prepping?
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www.nytimes.com
This was written June 24th before the debate…
Yeah, luckily the role of President should be a cakewalk without any long days or stress. ;)
The debate was 12 days after he got back. That's an awful lot of long days to have jet lag.
I know. My comment is more for the gaslighters telling us it was all fine and that everything is A-OK.
Yes, you forgot "he was so surprised by Trump's lies that he was knocked on his heels and thus couldn't formulate a coherent sentence."
What meetings? Without context it sounds like the officials are just worried about optics.
In theory they have to because the new nominee would be the official nominee.
If they played games and kept Biden on the ballot, J think that would backfire politically and everyone in that state would know those electors would vote for the actual nominee.
This has to stop.
There are legitimate criticisms of NYT and the media in general, but a lot of the posts on Era recently ate turning into "don't trust the media!" rhetoric that we have historically mocked when the other side does it.
There's no denying that the NYT might have an agenda in what they're reporting. But we also saw it with our own damn eyes and if you think that debate was some random one-time occurance, I have a bridge to sell you.
We also have NBC News reporting that Hunter Biden is now sitting in on meetings and numerous sources pointing to their being legitimate worry about Biden's current abilities.
If you don't agree with the idea that he needs to step down, I get it. It would be brand new territory and we have no idea if it would help or hurt dems in November. But we have to stop with this "everyone is just out to get Joe!" narrative.
Here is more
View: https://x.com/MSNBC/status/1808203197695041972
They don't specify what the meetings were about just that it is unusual. Not unusual that he is at the house at times just the attending of meetings with the President and his "senior advisors."
I honestly do not understand this impetus to constantly talk about the debate failure. It just seems like accepting the Republican framing of it.
Hunter Biden being in the meetings is a good thing. Why is this bad?
"It's critical to win the election.... so I fucked off to europe a few times right before a critical debate...."
Huh?
Posted elsewhere but also worth sharing here…
www.propublica.org
View: https://youtu.be/oZFeBHWtgzs
We’re Releasing Our Full, Unedited Interview With Joe Biden From September
Following Biden’s poor debate performance against Donald Trump, we’re releasing the full and unedited 21-minute interview we conducted with President Joe Biden nine days before his interview with Special Counsel Robert K. Hur.
www.propublica.org
View: https://youtu.be/oZFeBHWtgzs
I agree, but I'd feel like you'd want to project strength and confidence than just apologize for it over and over. But Biden strategists might have accepted that is not possible at this stage.
Even the reporting acknowledges that this isn't unusual. Sources are stipulating that it's the regularity of Hunter's attendance since they got back from Camp David is what's unusual.
But they got back from Camp David...on Sunday. It's Tuesday.
A historically unpopular president where most polls show that the vast majority of people do not think he should run for president. His loyal 30% or so of his parties base tell everyone that they are delusional about the president's mental health and despite what you see on camera consistently is actually fake news and the media is out to get him. This president is also very right wing on the border and full throatedly supports a brutal foreign leader who is committing unspeakable acts on an innocent populace. This president also showed up with a spray tan, to show how not old he is. Biden fucked up by not releasing a hat.
There are many policy reasons on why Biden is better than Trump but Democrats aren't helping themselves look sane.
at this point i feel gaslit by the narrative that it's only a stutter. that was maybe the case four years ago, but at this point i can no longer deny what my eyes and ears are clearly telling me. they need to figure out a way to nominate someone else
Admitting failure is a sign a strength.
Not to anyone outside of his base, but still.
It's not just Republican framing. That Biden's debate performance was a total disaster is not Republican framing nor is it just something being pushed in Trumper/MAGA circles. People (not necessarily you, just in general here) have to stop acting like its all just unwarranted FUD.
err wasn't he doing debate prep at Camp David the week before the debates?
I seem to remember people commenting on that contrasting it to Trump playing golf
What? It does say it is unusual for him to be in these meetings. It is not unusual for him to be at the house. 1:14 in the segment.
this can't be right can it?
please tell me he isn't pinning it on the D-Day stuff as in, the event where Rishi Sunak got in trouble for fucking off early?
that was like, three weeks ago