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The fact that after Resi4 the only two third party titles to reach number 1 were Bayo2 n Mk11 still holds weight people. Even if you can get people to concede and ignore that Nintendo had to fund Bayonetta 2, thus effectively making it like a first party title that Platinum n sega cant put elsewhere, this is kind of a big deal even if that game counts.
That's two games in a 14 year run. When third party M rated game hasn't come close to having that type of drought on other consoles.
Just speaks to the larger point that's always been obvious, Nintendo systems tend to get less buyers for third party games than the other two consoles. It is what it is.
It has a lot less to do with Nintendo folk not buying 3rd party titles and more to do with there not being many notable M Rated 3rd party titles in general on their systems, at least those that launch in proper enough conditions to do so, such as day and date and not too pricey. When games do launch in those sort of conditions, like we're seeing with Team Sonic Racing or see with indie titles, they sell fine, even if it's not necessarily as much as the other systemsThe fact that after Resi4 the only two third party titles to reach number 1 were Bayo2 n Mk11 still holds weight people. Even if you can get people to concede and ignore that Nintendo had to fund Bayonetta 2, thus effectively making it like a first party title that Platinum n sega cant put elsewhere, this is kind of a big deal even if that game counts.
That's two games in a 14 year run. When third party M rated game hasn't come close to having that type of drought on other consoles.
Just speaks to the larger point that's always been obvious, Nintendo systems tend to get less buyers for third party games than the other two consoles. It is what it is.
Bayonetta 3 could maybe do it, maybe even SMT V if it becomes a breakout title like Persona 5, assuming they don't launch in the same month as a big Nintendo gameTo get back on topic somehow, i don't think we'll see another for a while, there's essentially gonna be a first party title every month it looks like and I don't see the legs of any M rated game exceed a Nintendo title during August.
I actually feel that the bigger problem is that there really haven't been that many major M-rated third party releases on Nintendo hardware since the Gamecube. The Wii was rather notoriously saddled with spinoffs of big M-rated IPs rather than the "real thing," while the Wii U's timing made it impossible for anyone to care much about getting ports of games like Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed when the audiences were so firmly entrenched for those IPs that Nintendo would have needed a hell of a lot more to draw them away than what the Wii U hardware could ever accomplish.The fact that after Resi4 the only two third party titles to reach number 1 were Bayo2 n Mk11 still holds weight people. Even if you can get people to concede and ignore that Nintendo had to fund Bayonetta 2, thus effectively making it like a first party title that Platinum n sega cant put elsewhere, this is kind of a big deal even if that game counts.
That's two games in a 14 year run. When third party M rated game hasn't come close to having that type of drought on other consoles.
Just speaks to the larger point that's always been obvious, Nintendo systems tend to get less buyers for third party games than the other two consoles. It is what it is.
Couldn't have put it better.
Late ports go to other machines and make a killing still. Gtav is a terrible example precisely because it was number 1 on the PS4 n Xbox one and PC well after missing the 360/PC release date. Bayonetta did excellent on PC years later.This is horseshit without context. How many of the qualifying titles for this particular metric had launch day and date releases on Nintendo consoles? Because last I checked MK11 and RE4 werent multi year old ports.... Maybe that has something to do with it?
Nah. Lets pretend that doesn't matter. Lets port GTA V which has been out forever, to the Switch all these years later, then hold it against Nintendo if it doesn't manage a #1 launch on a multi year old port. Thats fair.
arguable sure, but even that is more of a by product of the lack of faith gained with how those titles did on the 64 and Cube, and then how the few attempts did on the Wii. I'm not denying third party haven't tried to get away with half effort here, but none of that changes a simple fact.It has a lot less to do with Nintendo folk not buying 3rd party titles and more to do with there not being many notable M Rated 3rd party titles in general on their systems, at least those that launch in proper enough conditions to do so, such as day and date and not too pricey. When games do launch in those sort of conditions, like we're seeing with Team Sonic Racing or see with indie titles, they sell fine, even if it's not necessarily as much as the other systems
Despite the name, both Red Steel games were T-rated.Wowsers, I suppose that would be the case, huh? Red Steel 2 didn't exactly fly off the shelves!
Also yeah not shocked that this devolved into this junk.
Couldn't have put it better.
OH MAN I COMPLETELY FORGOT THAT
I think this thread just shows how bad conversation can get in this forum, thread totally derailed because despite we all know what the OP meant some people just need to be smartasses and come with their "uhhh actually" takes.
Awful, just awful.
Lmao forreallol I knew instantly this thread would devolve into definition-gate.
delivered.
To get back on topic somehow, i don't think we'll see another for a while, there's essentially gonna be a first party title every month it looks like and I don't see the legs of any M rated game exceed a Nintendo title during August.
Sure, valid. The reasoning is a bunch of things, but the problem that pubs n devs seem to keep coming away with, if it's a problem is that they feel their shit sells better on other hardware and often struggles to find success with Nintendo. It's clear there are ways to find success, but devs/pubs haven't accepted whatever said solution could be.I actually feel that the bigger problem is that there really haven't been that many major M-rated third party releases on Nintendo hardware since the Gamecube. The Wii was rather notoriously saddled with spinoffs of big M-rated IPs rather than the "real thing," while the Wii U's timing made it impossible for anyone to care much about getting ports of games like Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed when the audiences were so firmly entrenched for those IPs that Nintendo would have needed a hell of a lot more to draw them away than what the Wii U hardware could ever accomplish.
The fact that after Resi4 the only two third party titles to reach number 1 were Bayo2 n Mk11 still holds weight people. Even if you can get people to concede and ignore that Nintendo had to fund Bayonetta 2, thus effectively making it like a first party title that Platinum n sega cant put elsewhere, this is kind of a big deal even if that game counts.
That's two games in a 14 year run. When third party M rated game hasn't come close to having that type of drought on other consoles.
Just speaks to the larger point that's always been obvious, Nintendo systems tend to get less buyers for third party games than the other two consoles. It is what it is.
If it's developed by a third party developer, the publisher has to own the IP for it to still be considered a 1st party game. Like Bloodborn for instance.
The difference is that those "late" ports all usually arrive together and are often given a lot of marketing and attention along with it or, in the case of the PC, at least given reasonable price points and tend to have genuine effort with their ports. That's almost never done for a late port on a Nintendo systemLate ports go to other machines and make a killing still. Gtav is a terrible example precisely because it was number 1 on the PS4 n Xbox one and PC well after missing the 360/PC release date. Bayonetta did excellent on PC years later.
Dark Souls as a borked port did well. monster hunter on pc did well coming out later. Top of the steam charts. Ditto Nioh.
The whole "well if it was there day n date" doesn't really hold water to a platforms own sales charts. It be one thing if I had said pacing the entire industry as the lead sku for the month, but we just talking switch charts.
arguable sure, but even that is more of a by product of the lack of faith gained with how those titles did on the 64 and Cube, and then how the few attempts did on the Wii. I'm not denying third party haven't tried to get away with half effort here, but none of that changes a simple fact. Third party games tend to sell more on the other platforms. Especially if they are M rated. We have now what, 3 decades worth of this statement being reality?
Apparently. Lol
Fatal Frame: Maiden of Dark Water was another M-rated game they handled on the Wii U, but that wound up as eShop-only in the US and was relegated to an LE printing in Europe. Nintendo really hasn't made a particularly major effort to court M-rated content since the Gamecube, at least until the Switch, when they've been distributing for Bethesda on Wolfenstein 2, Skyrim and Doom, along with Dark Souls Remastered. It's a pretty big change in policy for them, though I imagine that there are a fair few folks out there that would prefer if they went to the logical next step and started funding their own M-rated content again, beyond what they've been doing for Bayonetta and Fatal Frame.Or for M-rated games, since Bayonetta was the only first party M-rated title in that time too (though Nintendo didn't publish too many others. Devil's Third and ???)
Late ports go to other machines and make a killing still. Gtav is a terrible example precisely because it was number 1 on the PS4 n Xbox one and PC well after missing the 360/PC release date. Bayonetta did excellent on PC years later.
Dark Souls as a borked port did well. monster hunter on pc did well coming out later. Top of the steam charts. Ditto Nioh.
The whole "well if it was there day n date" doesn't really hold water to a platforms own sales charts.
Sorry but Mario x Rabbids is Mario ,Hyrule Warriors is Zelda and Pokken is Pokemon they may not be published by Nintendo but they still had heavy involment in their creation .Holy shit, guys.
First party: Fully published by Nintendo.
Examples of 1st-party that are frequently mistaken for 3rd: Bayonetta 2 and 3, Marvel Ultimate Alliance...
Third party: Not published by Nintendo. At best, partially published (as in, published by Nintendo only in Japan or worldwide sans Japan).
Examples of 3rd-party that are frequently mistaken for 1st: Mario & Rabbids, Hyrule Warriors, Pokken...
Essentially, if Nintendo publishes the sales numbers, it's 1st. 3rd if not.
I believe TLOU debuted at No.1 on PS4 but GTAV didn't. Also MK11 had a 1 week delay on Switch.The bolded is you moving the line. We are specifically talking about debuting as #1. Don't casually swap it to a subjective "making a killing" because Nintendo has had M rated games that made a killing. Even the Wii RE4 port had an ROI that blew titles away that generation. The first Red Steel sold over a million etc. So "making a killing" isn't the metric here.
The question was specifically about debuting as #1. So take those ported titles you mentioned and tell me how many debuted as LATE PORTS on PS and Xbox platforms and debuted as #1. Lets keep the comparisons apples to apples and not switch things up. Im genuinely looking to find out if this logic holds.