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Israel/Palestine - The ongoing Israeli genocide in Gaza - ICJ Orders Halt to Israeli Offensive on Rafah - See Staff Posts for Posting Guidelines
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It truly feels like a topic that can't be broached unless you know you are safe. Idk, it gives me a lot of perspective on different historical events. How these things unfold is so sinister.
Who knew opposition to genocide was so controversial? The real fucked up thing is single statehood and equal rights for Palestinians feels even farther away than before.
The funny part is we actually want them to use precision bombs lol. Hopefully dumb bombs are also being restricted because that is their favorite munition. That aside this and other munition halts is progress. The protests in the US do give that extra political pressure.
I don't want to pretend like there aren't enormous challenges but I think the world, more than ever, knows the reality on the ground and many governments won't be able to act with impunity the way they're used to doing. So we may be a bit closer but the price to get there is fucking horrible behind imagination.
Israeli offensive on Rafah would break international law, UK minister says
Andrew Mitchell says military action on city will not eradicate Hamas and priority is to secure a permanent ceasefire
www.theguardian.com
I know we aren't suppoed to talk about Ukraine here but Hell yeah I agree with you 100%. Think of how much aid could go to an actual worthwhile conflict in Ukraine if Israel wasn't allowed to exhaust munitions at a rate unparalleled in human history, on an ethnic cleansing campaign.
I have seen this. It's unimaginable horror. They need a defense force against this slaughter but I know that will never happen. This is just so fucking sad and it was all completely preventable months ago.
That fucker Biden slow walks everything and Rashida Tlaib ain't havin' it.
View: https://twitter.com/RepRashida/status/1787835002735997432
'They have gone crazy': Intense tank fire on Rafah
Israel War on Gaza | Live updates | Today's latest from Al Jazeera
Captive-exchange talks continue as Israel ups the ante after surrounding Rafah with tanks and troops.
I don't even have words anymore. The footage and pictures coming out of Rafah are sickening.
Every single person tied to this needs to be in the Hague, tried for warcrimes like Milosevic was.
Every single person tied to this needs to be in the Hague, tried for warcrimes like Milosevic was.
The media narrative that the US is always trying to coax the good outcome makes my blood boil. The US government can stop this whenever they want, they just value their relationship with Israel more than innocent Arabs.
Even from a geopolitical viewpoint (which I don't support viewing it like this), this whole thing is a disaster for both the US and Israeli. It's going to torpedo everything they are working towards in the region. Militarily the stated "objectives" are not achievable, but eliminating Hamas or rescuing the hostages were never the real objectives.
Hope Egypt follows through with negating the peace treaty like they said they would if Rafah was invaded, honestly. Israel needs some kind of consequence for this.
As much as I think Israel fucked itself long term not much gonna change in a long while (politically that is, they obviously lost a lot of popular support in the West). The US and allies are still in its corner and even current Arab leaders will gladly resume "business as usual" as soon as it'll be safe for them and they'll be sure there won't be a huge backfire.
One of the most bizarre pieces of propaganda in this debacle is the "hold them tight" narrative, which Biden quotes verbatim (as have many top American and Israeli officials).
One side needs to be coddled even harder after they commit war crimes, and shielded from international courts at every turn.
The other side is made up of animals that need to be broken, with no red lines. Over 35,000 dead and millions starving but the WH shrugs because "that's war" and their lives have been erased of value.
Is it any wonder this led to genocide? I hope the ICC follows through with charges for both sides and holds all war criminals accountable for the many atrocities we've seen.
That's the thing though, it feels like Israel is pushing to a point right now where even the most western friendly Arab leaders will have to turn away if only because they fear their own populace revolting over the geocide of fellow Arabs. I think the CIA explicitly pushing for a ceasefire is pretty illuminating. It's potentially unravelling everything they have been working towards.
But, lets not get too far down this rabbit hole.
Seeing so many useless reporters in Tel Aviv because they aren't allowed in Gaza is comical. They might as well be at home in bed. They have nothing to contribute, they are just on vacation. One of the biggest stories of our generation and they are all sidelined to protect the narrative. Not only is it futile because the news and images are getting out anyway but it continues to erode the credibility of western press which is already dying. I guess they are all fine with being laid off.
We'll see. I think normalisation between Israel and Saudi Arabia is dead for a time being and Egypt with Jordan probably gonna bark like an old dog from time to time too.
I hope you're right and there's at least some economic repercussions for Israel in a near future, but cynic in me says it's at least decades before anything substantial is going to happened.
Patients and medics flee major Rafah hospital
It's infuriating that the Biden administration has only now come around to impeding flow of weapons as leverage, and it's unsurprising that using it this late in the game hasn't managed to stop Israel from attacking Rafah. Setting up that kind of permission structure for 6 continuous months - that we will support you no matter what you do and there will be no enforcement of the promises you make to us - and then suddenly turning around and saying "no wait, this is a red line" just doesn't work. It's so odd to see the administration now suddenly have their pants on fire trying to force a deal through after months of that absolute permission structure. I agree with others saying that beyond how inhumane US weapons support of Israel's offensive has been it's also a blunder for the entire region and the country's long-term geopolitical interests.
I hope they keep holding everything up, I hope the protests in Israel continue, but my hopes that it results in Netanyahu agreeing to any sane deal are dim. It's fucking heartbreaking. And if the Biden admin certifies that Israel is following humanitarian law through all of this that will be absolute horseshit to an insulting degree.
I hope they keep holding everything up, I hope the protests in Israel continue, but my hopes that it results in Netanyahu agreeing to any sane deal are dim. It's fucking heartbreaking. And if the Biden admin certifies that Israel is following humanitarian law through all of this that will be absolute horseshit to an insulting degree.
US report on Israel's wartime conduct in Gaza delayed, aides say
F**k Israel and the Israel lobby. Israel is a dangerous rogue state. When are other countries finally going to take action against that rogue state?
Absolutely crazy that ceasefire talks are going on at the same time as the invasion they were supposed to stop. Israel is a terrorist state.
That means they've determined that they did and they don't want to publicly say that they did because then the US government would look bad.
This was my initial guess as well. Hopefully we get some background reporting to fill in the gaps here.
It's this, without a doubt.
They needed to investigate to maintain the appearance of legitimacy, and pay lip service to humanitarian concerns.
But they will never release anything that shows that they've been full of shit for the last 6 months, or increases the risk that any of the Israeli leadership might face real consequences.
Like everything else the Biden admin has done, this was another smoke screen to let the violence continue unabated.
Because Biden actually doesn't believe in "never again" if he's actually aiding and abetting what is happening in Gaza.
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This is because theres no red line and its all bullshit.
While kids are getting blown up by bombs supplied by the US, Biden is out giving speeches calling students who are protesting these atrocities violent and antisemitic, citing this conflict is "ancient ethnic hatred" and reiterates his ironclad support for this rogue nation. This is despite escalating violence against students, as counter protestors continue to literally drive into students and harming them.
Fuck this fucking administration. People still try to argue this motherfucker is trying. He isnt doing shit and he wont. There needs to be international intervention here, fuck what the US says.
They are so transparent with their pretense I wonder why they even bother.
Yeah all this administration does is keep moving the goalposts and providing cover for a terrorist state it's transparent at this point
View: https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1787621302515228974
No surprise this segment is from chief genocide apologist Jake Tapper.
This is straight out of the NYT pitch bot / the onion.
US optimistic revised Hamas proposal may break Gaza ceasefire impasse
Israel Commits to Limit Rafah Operation, Grant Control of Crossing With Egypt to Private U.S. Firm
US officials are "unaware" of such an agreement.
So its some PMC? And does this make the US an official occupying power?
It's private security company / private military contractor so it isn't official representative of US in governmental sense. Assuming company has contract directly with Israel, and not through e.g. DOD, which seems likely if US officials are denying knowing about this.
TLDR: It's private company doing contract work for Israel and thus doesn't make US occupying force, just bad look.
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Member of the Emergency
Committee of the Ministry of Health in
Gaza told Al Jazeera: We found heads
without bodies in Al-Shifa Hospital
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Member of the Emergency
Committee of the Ministry of Health
in Gaza told Al Jazeera: Thousands
of people are still missing in Al-Shifa
Medical Complex
Beheadings and kidnapping/disappearing reported at Al-Shifa in the aftermath of IDF's siege of the hospital complex.
Israel Commits to Limit Rafah Operation, Grant Control of Crossing With Egypt to Private U.S. Firm
US officials are "unaware" of such an agreement.
So its some PMC? And does this make the US an official occupying power?
A PMC? Lovely.
I feel like punching myself in the face for saying this, but at least in theory Israel's crimes could theoretically be held to account.
A PMC? *cough, Blackwater, cough*
The stories that continue to come out of the Al Shifa Hospital massacre are gruesome. This is why all the doctors, nurses and patients fled Al Najjar Hospital. People realized that it's safer to be outside of a hospital than in one in Gaza due to the repeated and deliberate targeting of hospitals by Israel.
Israel says it reopened a key Gaza crossing after a rocket attack but the UN says no aid has entered
Israel says it reopened a key Gaza crossing after a rocket attack but the UN says no aid has entered
The Israeli military says it has reopened the Kerem Shalom crossing into Gaza but a United Nations agency says no aid has yet entered.
apnews.com
Israel pounds Gaza as truce talks resume
Israel pounds Gaza as truce talks resume
Israel bombarded Rafah on Wednesday and the military said ground troops conducted "targeted raids" in the southern Gazan city, as negotiations to halt the seven-month war resumed in Cairo.
www.france24.com
Not surprising, but it's kinda crazy to be so brazen about it.
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