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Is Xenogears really that much better than Xenosaga?
- Thread starter Zen
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Well, I was referring more to the scope of the plot rather than the size of the world. For how much nonsense Xenogears had, it's undeniably it was very ambitious as far as JRPGs go. The Xenoblade saga is much more conservative in that sense.
Xenoblade still remain a milquetoast young teen series that has more in common with modern anime than the previous classics.
Blade is a shonen series for a broader audience, Xenogears is far more ambitious and mature in its storytelling, themes, and character development. Blade will never offer a relationship as interesting as Fei/Elly and instead has resorted to harem/love triangle twice already, maybe even thrice, I haven't played X
This is true, as I am old and can't let it go.
But Xenosaga fans aren't spring chickens.
Saga suffers from a lack of Soraya Saga (ironically) on story duty and some of the worst excesses of Takahashi. Also part 2 is trashketball.
If Gears hadn't gotten staff and budget jacked it might have been the greatest PS1 RPG.
If Gears hadn't gotten staff and budget jacked it might have been the greatest PS1 RPG.
I'll take flawed masterpieces over more balanced generally good games any day :p
If you're a Xenosaga fan you're getting up there in age yourself bud. Thems were PS2 games.
Anyway Xenogears is better than every Xenosaga game, even when accounting for Disc 2 of Xenogears. And I like the Xenosaga series, even Episode II.
Xenogears, even with the translation and Disc 2 problems is...
Dramatically superior than all of Xenosaga.
To me.
Dramatically superior than all of Xenosaga.
To me.
To be fair, it's a bit of a chicken and egg problem. At the time Xenosaga was coming out everyone was expecting it to somehow roll into Xenogears. It obviously never really did. So in a way, the excitement of what would come in Xenosaga was decided partially by familiarity with Xenogears. Without that backing? Yeah, I could see Xenosaga Episode I seeming like a wet fart.
Yes. Xenogears is the pinaccle of JRPG storytelling as far as I'm concerned.The writing is superb, the characters are almost all highly developed and often complex, and the music is godlike. Omen and The One Who Bares Fangs at God ooze an atmosphere that is so unique.
Xenosaga is still really great, especially Episode III, but it's not written to the same high standard.
Xenosaga is still really great, especially Episode III, but it's not written to the same high standard.
Xenogears felt impossibly sprawling and epic to me when I first played it in high school. I guess it literally was impossible given that it was basically unfinished. I love the Xenoblade games, but I would love for MonolithSoft to try and recapture the scope and tone of Gears at some point.
Nope. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't play it. Please do. Xenogears might be a better overall package, but Xenogears and Xenosaga are too different to really compare. If you like one, you would probably like the other.
But saying that, ALL Xeno games are good. All are perfect, flawed, and "Xeno" in their own way. All share the same concept's and themes, even though some refuse to see it. Presentation may change from game - to - game, but at their heart, they're all the same kind of game.
Xenogears
Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht
Xenosaga Episode II : Jenseits von Gut und Bose
Xenosaga Epsiode III : Also Sprach Zarathustra
Soma Bringer
Xenoblade Chronicles
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Xenoblade Chroincles 2
All are worth checking out if you're a fan of any one of these.
It's interesting to see how much (and little) the series has changed over the years. Maybe we'll get another Xenogears level game again, but for now, XC2 is the closest thing we've gotten since then. Which makes me hopeful for the future of the series.
But saying that, ALL Xeno games are good. All are perfect, flawed, and "Xeno" in their own way. All share the same concept's and themes, even though some refuse to see it. Presentation may change from game - to - game, but at their heart, they're all the same kind of game.
Xenogears
Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht
Xenosaga Episode II : Jenseits von Gut und Bose
Xenosaga Epsiode III : Also Sprach Zarathustra
Soma Bringer
Xenoblade Chronicles
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Xenoblade Chroincles 2
All are worth checking out if you're a fan of any one of these.
It's interesting to see how much (and little) the series has changed over the years. Maybe we'll get another Xenogears level game again, but for now, XC2 is the closest thing we've gotten since then. Which makes me hopeful for the future of the series.
soooo are Xenogears and Xenosaga worth playing in the year 2020 then? or should I just read/watch about them?
Gonna play through XB1:DE, XB2 and X, and if the other Xeno titles are related somehow I want to experience the whole universe in one way or another
Gonna play through XB1:DE, XB2 and X, and if the other Xeno titles are related somehow I want to experience the whole universe in one way or another
Xenogears is 6 seasons and a movie in video game form.
It had everything I loved.
Martial Arts, anime, epic story, and fighting mechs.
It was my Final Fantasy 7.5 and I was impressed with how great it was(at the time) and yet so different from FF7.
Loved the combo turn based system for the characters
It had everything I loved.
Martial Arts, anime, epic story, and fighting mechs.
It was my Final Fantasy 7.5 and I was impressed with how great it was(at the time) and yet so different from FF7.
Loved the combo turn based system for the characters
Yes, but they're both god-tier games that deserve to be nearly shoulder to shoulder.
Came here to post this. Not disappointed. Men of the Sea make Xenogears the best Xeno game.
It's the best Xeno game overall.
Here is how I would rate them:
1) Xenogears
2) Xenosaga Episode III
3) Xenoblade Chronicles
4) Xenosaga Episode I
5) Xenosaga Episode II
Never played:
1) Xenoblade Chronicles X (Never had a Wii U - can't wait for remake like Xenoblade)
2) Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (Worst character designs ever - put off based on that)
Here is how I would rate them:
1) Xenogears
2) Xenosaga Episode III
3) Xenoblade Chronicles
4) Xenosaga Episode I
5) Xenosaga Episode II
Never played:
1) Xenoblade Chronicles X (Never had a Wii U - can't wait for remake like Xenoblade)
2) Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (Worst character designs ever - put off based on that)
What was problematic with Xenogears disc 2? I played it a bit back in the 90s but never got that far.. I heard a lot about it being unfinished, but what exactly did that entail?
I never felt like Fei and Elly's relationship ever made sense. Maybe that's the fault of the translation or butchered second disc.
Xenogears is up there with the best JRPG's, Id say its far better. The graphics havent aged very well so you need some tolerance for PS1 3D.
Yep, it's way better. And I mostly liked Saga.
Play it if you can.
Now this I can't go with, Blade is the best overall IMO.
Better music and story in Gears, but the combat, exploration, and sheer scale of Blade are fantastic and so I find myself wanting to play it more.
Play it if you can.
Now this I can't go with, Blade is the best overall IMO.
Better music and story in Gears, but the combat, exploration, and sheer scale of Blade are fantastic and so I find myself wanting to play it more.
Why do people keep saying this? Shulk is an adult, and there were plenty of adult moments in Torna. Blade is pretty damn ambitious with it's themes in XC1.
They ran out of time and money so you get to read about most of the dungeons and plot-twists instead of playing them.
Actually it's more isometric 2D with lots of sprite work than 3D, so much easier to tolerate than say FFVII
Xenogears might be the most overrated game ever really. X3 is better than Xenogears by far. The soundtrack of all 3 Xenosaga games are superior to Xenogears soundtrack.
Xenoblade owns all though.
Xenoblade owns all though.
Oh, wow so it kind of turns into a visual novel..interesting.
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Sure but what I mean is Xenogears was developed with the drive to prove something, like it really believed it had something interesting to say, while Xenosaga just kinda filled in the pages.
It's not really a good comparison. it's not a sequence of cut-scenes, it's more like a summary of the story.
This may all be true, but all the other xeno games have it beaten in a pretty meaningful way. The other xeno titles are all finished games.
