Is the LG C9 the best tv for gaming atm?
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I don't own the TV so I'm not sure. But from that linked Nvidia page it looks like the firmware that enables Gsync for european models is not released yet.
The main differences seem to be a lack of 120Hz HDR (may only be in 4K?) and more posterization (color banding) on the B9.
As someone that really hates posterization/banding, I'd pay the extra couple of hundred for a C9 over a B9 - though none of LG's displays are the best at handling it. That seems to be Sony's forte, but Sony's 2019 sets don't support HDMI 2.1.
With regards to 4K 120hz HDR. Vincent Teoh added this comment to the bottom his YouTube review for the B9.
"Despite rumours to the contrary, LG engineers have verbally informed us that the B9 is capable of 4K@120Hz in HDR (especially important for gamers). However, due to the lack of true HDMI 2.1 sources at the moment, there is no way we could verify their claim."
Oh, that's great! One less reason to buy a C9, but posterization is still enough to justify the upgrade in my opinion, unless the price difference is significant.
The update has not been pushed through in the European sets yet but you can download the firmware onto a usb and install it that way.
After reviewing a bit, I'm not in the mind to purchase today and I'm looking for sometime next year. I think based on thoughts from the reviewers you all posted that I should be able to know by early 2020 whether Sony will add the HDMI 2.1 support or if LG updates for better motion handling to match Sony.
I think either set getting those updates will decide the C line from LG vs the A line from Sony
Did ya'll see this video?
It shows that 8K really isn't necessary at all, but also what a damn good TV the C9 really is.
It shows that 8K really isn't necessary at all, but also what a damn good TV the C9 really is.
Rtings most certainly did not jack up the light settings for the burn in tests. They calibrated each C7 to 200 nits (~60 OLED light setting) except for one of the CNN TVs.
As long as we don't receive the cyborg treatment with eyesight improving implants, 8K is just absolutely useless for most homes. On giant screens, sure. Like cinemas etc. But at home?
I REALLY hope game consoles don't give a fuck about it next gen, please concentrate on a flawless 4K experience instead.
Yes, for me his videos are much more enjoyable to watch compared to younger content creators.
Hope he gets more subs, because he deserves it.
Ah ok - apologies - thanks for the correction. I thought they were stress testing the TVs too - apologies.
Exactly 1000 dollars here in Brazil the C9 model with 55inches.
If I wasn't spending my entire money in the new years eve.....
If I wasn't spending my entire money in the new years eve.....
Oh man, I couldn't agree more with you. Hopefully MS and Sony mentioning 8K is just some marketing talk. Please fully focus on 4K and provide the best visual fidelity and performance.
Definitely an enjoyable video. I might subscribe.
It's worth noting that this is an issue with Samsung's QLED displays and the methods they use to try and fix the viewing angle on their VA-type panels. Sony have a similar wide-angle layer on some of their TVs too.
LG have compared their 8K NanoCell LCDs (IPS-type) to QLED which have similar differences in contrast modulation.
VA-type LCDs are garbage, and always have been. If I was buying an LCD I'd never buy anything but IPS.
The only thing VA-type panels do well is perfectly on-axis contrast ratio vs other LCD panel types. The viewing angle for that higher contrast is so narrow though, that it doesn't even apply across the entire screen no matter what distance you're sitting from it
Yeah no...contrast ratio and black uniformity are going to be way better on VA panels. This is why you'll never see an IPS panel at the top of TV rating lists. See:
Do you have some sources that the firmware is working? Just bought the c9 (65C97LA)
a few days ago in germany with current firmware version 04.70.05 and would love to use gsync.
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Do anyone know if Gsync not working on Pascal (10 series) is hardware related or if Nvidia and LG actually could make software update to allow it?
We probably bought from the same retailer. Had to debate between the B9 and C9 too and I just don't care about any UI smoothness provided by a beefier CPU. I'm so vanilla when it comes to TV usage that I probably wouldn't even notice any differences anyways.
Yes, I'm aware that their native on-axis contrast will measure higher.
My current TV uses a 5000:1 native VA-type LCD panel, and has full-array local dimming in addition to that.
That's still significantly higher contrast than most other LCD panels produced today.
I would not buy a VA-type LCD again, and would prefer an IPS-type display even if that means lower contrast.
The viewing angle, pixel structure, and response time issues with VA-type panels are deal-breakers for me.
It would be up to NVIDIA, not LG. It's probably hardware related, as NVIDIA are usually good about back-porting features where feasible - though it does sometimes take some time; e.g. DX12 support on Fermi.
I doubt the difference is that big. Remember that panel lottery can be up to 100 nits of difference. The truth is that practically no one would notice a difference if you put a b9 and a c9 side by side.
i saw them side by side in the store and matched the settings. then i played the same hdr video. the c9 was better and it was not close. the b9 hdr looks like sdr in comparison. it just lacks the brightness.
I've been using the C9 as a computer monitor for the past 6 weeks and luckily I haven't experienced any burn in. At the same time the screen dims when set on a static image for a long period of time. Like right now when I'm typing out this post.
Thanks for that. I saved about 600$ because of the difference in tax and cost for what amazon had it going for.
Probably a super stupid question, but all this mumbo-jumbo talk is new to me....
So I got that PS4 and Switch RGB settings have to match those of the TV (for non HDR content) and preferably to limited I read here...but where are the RGB settings on the C9? Is it the color gamut? And if so, what is full and what is limited? It says wide and expanded...I feel so dumb...
So I got that PS4 and Switch RGB settings have to match those of the TV (for non HDR content) and preferably to limited I read here...but where are the RGB settings on the C9? Is it the color gamut? And if so, what is full and what is limited? It says wide and expanded...I feel so dumb...
Well this is weird. I saw the b8 and the c8 side by side too and were pretty much identical (got the c8 because the b8 was sold out). 100 nits shouldn't make this much of a difference, unless DTM is on and off in one panel.
Don't believe this for a second. The B9 looks excellent in HDR even with a lower peak brightness. A brightly lit store is no way to compare HDR performance, it's supposed to be watched in dark rooms so you can fully appreciate the contrast.
Really cool video. But your take-away wasn't great. The point here is the same point that 720p Pioneer Plasma Kuro owners had years ago: that better picture technology can make an inferior resolution look equivalent or better than its superior resolution competitors using other technologies. We've known that for years. That truth will never change.
All this video did was tell me to really look forward to 8K OLEDs or some tech other than QLED, as Samsung LED tech simply cannot compare or compete with LGs OLED, regardless of resolution. Until 8K OLED or similarly impressive tech can be had at an affordable price, there is no reason for anyone to buy anything but good 4K offerings.
Just finished installing and tinkering with picture settings. Upgraded from a Samsung NU8000.
I'm not seeing much of an HDR improvement, especially considering how weak the NU8000 is supposed to be there. Black levels are impressive though, and the picture-framed screensavers are a fun gimmick.
Not as mind-blowing as I was (perhaps naively) expecting, especially since 4K was old news for me. Maybe I'll change my mind upon some dark room viewing tonight.
I'm not seeing much of an HDR improvement, especially considering how weak the NU8000 is supposed to be there. Black levels are impressive though, and the picture-framed screensavers are a fun gimmick.
Not as mind-blowing as I was (perhaps naively) expecting, especially since 4K was old news for me. Maybe I'll change my mind upon some dark room viewing tonight.
Ah good point and at the same time, my bad. I definitely meant to say that 8K OLED however could be a different story. I'm sure LG will introduce those and the test videos will be something to look forward to.
Is anyone familiar with the audio lag when passing dolby audio (atmos, DD, DTS) through the B9/C9 to an AVR or soundbar?
I recently bought a B9 and an LG soundbar to replace my panasonic v10 plasma and denon AVR--this audio lag situation is making me contemplate returning everything even though I'm enjoying the other aspects of the upgrade.
If I hook my X1X directly to the tv, and then the tv to the soundbar via HDMI ARC-- I get all of the HDR, VRR, ALLM features at the expense of big time audio lag when outputting any type of dolby sound (were talking 300ms). Outputting stereo sound works with no lag.
The other option is to hook the X1X into the soundbar directly, as it has a single input of its own. This configuration gives an acceptable/imperceptible amount of audio delay, but the sound bar is unable to passthrough VRR, ALLM etc to the tv.
I'm not really sure what my next course of action will be as there aren't any hdmi 2.1 compatible devices on the horizon afaik.
There are numerous reddit threads and av forum posts about this issue but no resolutions. I guess I'm just wondering if anyone here has experienced this and if so, how you dealt with it. As a gamer, I obviously upgraded to this television for the variable refresh/gsync, and perfect motion capabilities, but I'm starting to feel like i'm too early to the party.
I recently bought a B9 and an LG soundbar to replace my panasonic v10 plasma and denon AVR--this audio lag situation is making me contemplate returning everything even though I'm enjoying the other aspects of the upgrade.
If I hook my X1X directly to the tv, and then the tv to the soundbar via HDMI ARC-- I get all of the HDR, VRR, ALLM features at the expense of big time audio lag when outputting any type of dolby sound (were talking 300ms). Outputting stereo sound works with no lag.
The other option is to hook the X1X into the soundbar directly, as it has a single input of its own. This configuration gives an acceptable/imperceptible amount of audio delay, but the sound bar is unable to passthrough VRR, ALLM etc to the tv.
I'm not really sure what my next course of action will be as there aren't any hdmi 2.1 compatible devices on the horizon afaik.
There are numerous reddit threads and av forum posts about this issue but no resolutions. I guess I'm just wondering if anyone here has experienced this and if so, how you dealt with it. As a gamer, I obviously upgraded to this television for the variable refresh/gsync, and perfect motion capabilities, but I'm starting to feel like i'm too early to the party.