calm down. he didn't insult her. it was funny.so can i understand why do people finding it funny he acts like a dick torwards someone just because she said she likes playstation? what the fuck?
calm down. he didn't insult her. it was funny.so can i understand why do people finding it funny he acts like a dick torwards someone just because she said she likes playstation? what the fuck?
Oof. You ain't wrong though.You completely missed everything bro.
Sony just released last year Astrobot, Bravo Team , Tetris Effect, The Persistence, Deracine, The Inpatient.
The future looks good too with Blood and Truth, Dreams and Everybody Golf.
If I had to say I believe Sony is doing a better job supporting PSVR, even with it being a secondary plataform to Sony, than MS supporting Xbox One, even with it being the only plataform they have to support.
I mean it's funny to see Cliff and Ibarra talking about killer apps...when was the last time they were involved in any ?
I think the people that are stating that they're no killer apps, need to think about what that would even be. What would they personally class as the killer app? What would it take to get there? and how likely that is? Otherwise it's just meaningless handwaving...It's the attitude. I mean first of all, expecting a killer app in under 3 years is already quite optimistic given that no full-blown medium has managed that in the past, but it's as if he's overlooking the very highly rated titles that have released. They aren't killer apps, but people playing those games would not be as negative as the guy in his comment.
I think the people that are stating that they're no killer apps, need to think about what that would even be. What would they personally class as the killer app? What would it take to get there? and how likely that is? Otherwise it's just meaningless handwaving...
For example, a killer app for someone actively interested in VR (Astro Bot possibly?) isn't even the same thing as a killer app for someone fairly ambivalent, or even adverse to VR (who knows 🤷🏾♂️).
Anyway, I guarantee MS jumps in at some point next gen. For now tho, they have to fix a few things. Imo obviously.
Did you two complete fell asleep in whole 2018.
I'm sorry but all those games you just mentioned sound dreadful. The VR games just aren't doing it for me at all. And I'm a bit out of the loop but aren't they planning on allowing other headsets to work on their console?Both. You can tell that Mike Ybarra doesn't know about games like Astro Bot, Lone Echo / Echo VR, Beat Saber. I mean we still don't have a killer app, but those are close. His attitude would suggest there is nothing even close, which would make him uninformed.
It's the attitude. I mean first of all, expecting a killer app in under 3 years is already quite optimistic given that no full-blown medium has managed that in the past, but it's as if he's overlooking the very highly rated titles that have released. They aren't killer apps, but people playing those games would not be as negative as the guy in his comment.
You completely missed everything bro.
Sony just released last year Astrobot, Bravo Team , Tetris Effect, The Persistence, Deracine, The Inpatient.
The future looks good too with Blood and Truth, Dreams and Everybody Golf.
If I had to say I believe Sony is doing a better job supporting PSVR, even with it being a secondary plataform to Sony, than MS supporting Xbox One, even with it being the only plataform they have to support.
I mean it's funny to see Cliff and Ibarra talking about killer apps...when was the last time they were involved in any ?
On the face of it, there is literally nothing to determine whether he was being facitious or not. And I surely have seen much worse behavior than that, so it's not as if it's hard to believe that his behavior was genuine. Poe's law, and all that.- Dude calls Ybarra a salty little man over playful banter.
- I am the one over reacting.
Some of the perceptions ppl have you can tell are clouded by fanboyism and just ignorance. Statements like nothing "worthwhile" and no "killer app" is highly subjective and bs. You have one of the highest rated games this year and the highest rated VR game on PSVR. I wish everybody could try Astrobot as it is one if the best games imo this generation and is just so great overall and no! It would not be the same if it wasnt in VR, it would strip the game of most of its charm and cool details. Firewall, Farpoint, Beat Saber, Resi Evil VR, among many others show VR is great and more than ready. All peripherals and systems can be better so tht goes without saying.
What I'm sure happened is tht OG Xbox is so underpowered compared to even of ps4 tht it wouldn't make sense to come out with VR in Xbox right now just for the X as it would fragment consumers and only be selling to a smaller gaming install base. I mean you could probably get something working on OG Xbox but it wouldn't be worth it as what OG ps4 is doing is like the least ppl would want from VR and of course you still have complaints with graphics.
General killer apps are socialization, telepresence, and screen simulation. But those all require further refinement on the hardware.I think the people that are stating that they're no killer apps, need to think about what that would even be. What would they personally class as the killer app? What would it take to get there? and how likely that is? Otherwise it's just meaningless handwaving...
For example, a killer app for someone actively interested in VR (Astro Bot possibly?) isn't even the same thing as a killer app for someone fairly ambivalent, or even adverse to VR (who knows 🤷🏾♂️).
Anyway, I guarantee MS jumps in at some point next gen. For now tho, they have to fix a few things. Imo obviously.
Some of the comments ppl are making you can tell are tainted by fanboyism and the others just plain ignorance. Statements like nothing "worthwhile" and no "killer app" is highly subjective and bs. You have one of the highest rated games this year and the highest rated VR game on PSVR. I wish everybody could try Astrobot as it is one of the best games imo this generation and is just so great overall and no! It would not be the same if it wasnt in VR, it would strip the game of most of its charm and cool details. Firewall, Farpoint, Beat Saber, Resi Evil VR, among many others show VR is great and more than ready. All peripherals and systems can be better so tht goes without saying.
What I'm sure happened is tht OG Xbox is so underpowered compared to even of ps4 tht it wouldn't make sense to come out with VR in Xbox right now just for the X as it would fragment consumers and only be selling to a smaller gaming install base. So financially tht definitely wouldn't make sense at all. I mean you could probably get something working on OG Xbox but it wouldn't be worth it as what OG ps4 is doing is like the least ppl would want from VR and of course you still have complaints with graphics.
You didn't just judge the games based off their names, right? I mean even judging from videos is a big mistake. These games are practically universally loved, some are GOTY contenders across several gaming journalists. I know for one that the NPD analyst guy considers Astro Bot his game of the generation, and I've seen plenty of people say Beat Saber is the most fun thing they've ever done in their whole life.I'm sorry but all those games you just mentioned sound dreadful. The VR games just aren't doing it for me at all. And I'm a bit out of the loop but aren't they planning on allowing other headsets to work on their console?
The sigh is what sells the idea that Ybarra isn't aware of how slow killer apps actually work for emerging technologies. He simply isn't aware about that fact.Thing is though, you shouldn't be taking offense to a person for actually answering the question correctly. If they had asked him to name a bunch of awesome VR titles and you got that response, sure.
Also, Ybarra didn't expect a killer app in under 3 years, he wasn't the one who posed the question. That's Cliffy B for you, no idea where he was going with this because it's not like he wouldn't have already known the answer.
Which has been plentiful this year. We just don't have a killer app. But luckily there are potential candidates on the way now.You still need a peripheral to get the VR experience which is why most developers are still reluctant to support it. It's the whole chicken and egg thing. You need content to sell the peripheral.
General killer apps are socialization, telepresence, and screen simulation. But those all require further refinement on the hardware.
A killer app in game terms, well the obvious answer is a long-sustaining, well-designed AAA budget VRMMORPG. But it's too early for that.
Therefore, a killer app that pushes a million+ unit sales is going to have to be a well-known franchise with a AAA budget that also happens to be a groundbreaking game. In other words, what Valve are working on, and specifically Half Life VR.
They can still do it for PS5. Social VR really needs body tracking, eye-tracking, and face tracking to reach killer app status. We need to be able to see every emotion that we see in real life, like this: https://gfycat.com/IncredibleShoddyCowrieHonestly I'm still shocked Sony didn't do an overhauled PS Home 2.0 or something like that for PSVR, it honestly would've been crazy; as-is it would've been great but a few more refined ideas tossed in and that could've been a massive hit IMO. If they had something like that included out of the box with a host of experiences baked in with a lot more polish, it would've been wild.
It doesn't make sense for Microsoft to invest in Xbox VR this gen when they are already investing heavily in PCVR and AR.
Ultimately it just requires the ability to represent virtual humans beyond the uncanny valley along with much smaller headsets. Get those two right, and people will love to socialize in VR all over the world.VR won't take off unless it becomes a social experience, which would require the mainstream not being weirded out by it.
You mad?so can i understand why do people finding it funny he acts like a dick torwards someone just because she said she likes playstation? what the fuck?
MS learned their lesson about gimmicks in a hard way.
They won't commit to another anytime soon and I'm glad.
Both. You can tell that Mike Ybarra doesn't know about games like Astro Bot, Lone Echo / Echo VR, Beat Saber. I mean we still don't have a killer app, but those are close. His attitude would suggest there is nothing even close, which would make him uninformed.
They are objectively game changers just by way of how much they change how gaming functions. Lone Echo / Echo VR in particular is a game that is unique in all ~50 years of gaming. How often can you say a game is so unique that nothing has ever been remotely like it, ever?Or he does but doesn't think they are game changers. I played all of them and they're fun but still in a novelty way.
Only if you are one of the people that think VR is a second (third?) screen for existing games.
Sony's VR software dominates the market the way Nintendo's dominates their consoles. So more like missed everything?
It's the opposite. Sony have only increased their commitment to VR. PSVR had it's best year in 2018.
Yeah probably. I also hear alot of complaints about the move joysticks mainly from the PC community but i cant really form an opinion since I dont have a PC or other motion controllers to compare to. The move for me works good but damn I look forward to getting PC quality type motion controllers and hopefully some room scale type stuff given the PC community feedback (hopefully). I can only imagine how much immersion it adds.
Imo Sony needs to make PSVR forward compatible and they can easily get the double dippers like me as long as they make PSVR2 Wireless and up the resolution in games with better motion controllers.
Which has been plentiful this year. We just don't have a killer app. But luckily there are potential candidates on the way now.
Kinect 2.0 was rejected by people because it was aimed at casual gamers and this audience had moved on to tablets and phones.
VR is aimed at the usual core audience.
If Xbox execs dont understand their business enough to realize that and make that distinction I would be very disappointed and have very little hope for Xbox when it comes to making the right decisions for the future.
But I also dont think its too late to jump on the VR bandwagon.
Either by supporting existing headsets on Xbox in the future or by going all in when second gen VR hits: Wireless, 4k displays, foveated rendering.
To become a mass market product VR will need all that at a pricepoint around 200$.
You completely missed everything bro.
Sony just released last year Astrobot, Bravo Team , Tetris Effect, The Persistence, Deracine, The Inpatient.
The future looks good too with Blood and Truth, Dreams and Everybody Golf.
If I had to say I believe Sony is doing a better job supporting PSVR, even with it being a secondary plataform to Sony, than MS supporting Xbox One, even with it being the only platform they have to support.
I mean it's funny to see Cliff and Ibarra talking about killer apps...when was the last time they were involved in any ?
The next generation will probably end in 8-9 years. That is plenty of time for VR to grow; Facebook are expecting a billion users by then. They're going to have to address it next generation, but likely not right at the start.I currently don't care for VR and most people feel the same. And please, no, stop the "once you tried it"-narrative. I tied it several times with PSVR and to me it just looks bad, the tech has at least to get better.
I don't see VR being so big next gen that this will be a disadvantage for Microsoft, in the end it will be a peripheral for a console that's also quite pricey. It will have its audience, it will have great games for sure and it will generate lots of threads on era but I cannot see it becoming mainstream.
The Vita was built upon many handhelds that came before. It's a late generation device. VR is in it's first generation. Expectations are completely different because no one knows what VR is yet aside from a small group. Everyone (or many people) knew what a handheld console was when Vita launched.Lol, PSVR is non existent in the realms of gaming and it has no perception problems like the Xbox One has. Even with no perception problems, PSVR sells less than the Vita when it was in circulation.
I dont follow memes. Is this supposed to be funny?That is a response I haven't seen in a long, long time. I can't wait for you to bust out the "I can has cheezburger" memes...
But I also dont think its too late to jump on the VR bandwagon.
Either by supporting existing headsets on Xbox in the future or by going all in when second gen VR hits: Wireless, 4k displays, foveated rendering.
To become a mass market product VR will need all that at a pricepoint around 200$.
In the New Year, Microsoft's Mike Ybarra offered this response to Cliff Bleszinski regarding the current prosperity of Virtual Reality: "Google Earth is cool but not even close to what is needed to make the tech worthwhile. Sigh."
While some gamers cheered, lots of others expressed disappointed with his attitude. It feels what Ybarra is truly saying is, the enterprise is not financially rewarding enough to motivate us into further action, so we'll continue to sit on our hands and pooh-pooh from the sidelines until the benefits are more obvious.
A far cry from what Phil Spencer said last year about pushing the boundaries of creative gaming even when the reward is not immediate:
Or maybe Mike Ybarra's stance is partly dictated by a lack of foresight and the technical limitation of the base Xbox One - or both?
Moss, Firewall Zero Hour, Astro Bot, Borderlands 2, Wipeout, Tetris Effect, Sprint Vector, Beat Saber, The Persistence. There has been plenty of great games released on PSVR this year.Plentiful? Even the scarcity of the big third party publishers still can't get it fully into games like Ace Combat. Is this another example of the PS4 not being powerful enough and is it coming to PC? I'm not sure what you mean by plentiful when talking about major publishers, including Sony.