why are you all disappointed? jack mentioned pdp before in his video, he also got one of his chairs
Decency maybe?
why are you all disappointed? jack mentioned pdp before in his video, he also got one of his chairs
What do you suggest? Do we only storm the castle and leave no room for values? Do we show that we have concern only for the outcome or do we strive towards the good outcome while sticking within the confines of our values and what is the right thing to do. In the end, which one will make the most difference? Which one will stop the cycle? If power is only challenged by power, then people will believe that people will yield only to power. Sometimes it is necessary, but we forget that doing the right thing sometimes means patience and doing it in the right way.
I never said it's their responsibility. Clearly the victim is not at fault for the abuse dealt to them. What is our responsibility is to do all we can in our power, which means forgiveness, wisdom, and helping others who are hurt.Save it for the people who aren't harmed by bigots getting treated with fucking kids gloves everytime.
These fuckers have influence over an entire generation of kids, and white nationalism only keeps getting a pass when you tell its victims that it's their responsibility.
What do you suggest? Do we only storm the castle and leave no room for values? Do we show that we have concern only for the outcome or do we strive towards the good outcome while sticking within the confines of our values and what is the right thing to do. In the end, which one will make the most difference? Which one will stop the cycle? If power is only challenged by power, then people will believe that people will yield only to power. Sometimes it is necessary, but we forget that doing the right thing sometimes means patience and doing it in the right way.
Hey Jesus turned the other cheek and look where it got him!Again, you are coming from a place of fantasy that does not line up with reality.
You are suggesting that we somehow both hold someone accountable to their actions, while simultaneously offering forgiveness WITHOUT the expectation of them doing anything to earn it.
That doesn't mesh with reality. You do not give someone who has shown no genuine action to change their ways forgiveness, ESPECIALLY when it's been done before and we still ended up at the same result. Forgiveness didn't work. Why is it on the people being wronged to just sit there and take it?
But that's what you're implying. Because we are all collectively harmed by these actions. It's just for some it's more direct.
Forgiveness doesn't mean sitting there and taking it. You CAN offer forgiveness no matter what. It doesn't mean that you say they're great or support them. It means that you treat them with kindness and not just in light of their mistakes. This can mean pointing out why they're wrong. This goes hand in hand with helping others and warning others. This isn't fantasy. It's what I've witnessed done to me and others, and what I've done to others. It makes a difference. If it doesn't make a difference with them, it will affect others and then people can work together to pull up the downtrodden and prevent the hurt from happening again. However, even if it does happen again, people can still be good people.Again, you are coming from a place of fantasy that does not line up with reality.
You are suggesting that we somehow both hold someone accountable to their actions, while simultaneously offering forgiveness WITHOUT the expectation of them doing anything to earn it.
That doesn't mesh with reality. You do not give someone who has shown no genuine action to change their ways forgiveness, ESPECIALLY when it's been done before and we still ended up at the same result. Forgiveness didn't work. Why is it on the people being wronged to just sit there and take it?
Jack Black doesn't have access to Google or Wikipedia. Got it.Jack Black meets so many people, it's impossible to research everyone's back story. Jack Black has this channel to hang out with his kids and have fun, a charity stream seems like a great idea, I doubt he gave it a second thought and only knows Pewdiepie as a streamer.
In his video addressing it he said he didn't want to come out and say it straight away after the New Zealand attack because he didn't want to make such a awful event all about him so he thought he'd give it room to breath.
Or maybe it's not a big deal to him? He works in Hollywood. Shitbags are probably commonplace in his life. If hecancels after this gets out cool, but if he doesn't it won't really change my opinion of him. Even if did it wouldn't matter.Jack Black doesn't have access to Google or Wikipedia. Got it.
For everyone ready to "cancel" a celebrity for collab'ing with PDP or JonTron:
The sad and scary truth is that their controversies are nowhere near as known as their personas. I've brought it up with the kids that work for my company (20-23) and they always look shocked or in complete disbelief when I've mentioned why I don't love PDP.
We have every reason in the world to dislike PDP and especially JonTron, but you're lying to yourself if you think that half the people who have heard of these YouTube personalities are familiar with their nazi-leaning behaviors. I love ResetEra because it's welcoming and doesn't tolerate hateful behavior, but we're still in a bit of an echo chamber. These controversies are not common knowledge.
Well a lot of shooters have played very violent video games in the past. Look at the Columbine shooters, they were heavily influenced by Doom and constantly compared weapons they had to the in-game weapons. Also to note that both were really into Nazi ideology as well. While violent video games don't normalize bigotry, they do certainly normalize real life violence and influence our pro-gun culture as of today.
Better yet, get Contrapoints and Hbomberguy to do charity streams with him and piss off a chunk of his EWB fanbase.More people should drag PDP into these charity fundraisers. More funds we can take from his shitty base, the better.
Still, I doubt that he has any idea of what became of Notch after Minecraft.
I can't wait for the next big Charity team up, i imagine the likes of PDP, Richard Spencer , David Duke, Milo Yiannopoulos and i can't wait to come to ResetERA with my hot take defending them because they are doing good things. Because of course, when you do charity, everything is forgiven (or you get a momentary pass at the very least).
Bullshit. Jack Black should know better.
PDP is a nazi-sympathizing scumbag (at best), but he's not even close to the same category as those other names you mentioned.
And? Should I put bigot sacks of shit into their own subcategory?
I'm just saying that Jack Black teaming up with PDP is not remotely close to him teaming up with those other names. It's a silly comparison and doesn't help your point at all. PewDiePie is a known awful person and very dangerous because of his influence, but he's not Richard Spencer or David Duke. If Jack Black teamed up with one of those guys, the reaction wouldn't be at all similar. Blatant hyperbole does nothing.
He was not only called out on it several times in media, widespread, he also received probably the worst backlash he's received for any event in his early adult years, including statements from political figures and being dressed down by his own family. In addition, he immediately apologized for his costume choice rather than doubling down on it and has VERY CLEARLY demonstrated that he does not align with the Nazi mindset...Honestly I still remember Prince Harry dressing as a nazi back in 2005 and nobody cancelled the royal family, and the world moved on
JB works in Hollywood.. this shouldn't be new to him. He's probably worked with people way worse than PDP.My guess is JB just doesn't know the finer details of his shittiness and only knows about him for being a streamer.
Well he did raise at least 1.5 Million from charities for people he would definitely hate as a "nazi" and is now actively working against hate speech. I don't think he will ever gain Era's forgiveness.
Apparently not, as the forgiveness brigade seems to already be out that forgot all about the nasty origins of pdp.
I don't like how people just throw the word Nazi around all too easily. I've had distant family members shot dead by Nazis in Poland and my grandparents had to flee as little children. Comparing PDP to those people like those soldiers or Nazis like Hitler and Aribert Heim isn't a realistic comparison.
If it were not for actual Nazis my family would be a little bigger right now.
Yes, I forgive him because I like him, and still I like him because I think he's just doing this for his kids, and don't really know about any controversy surrounding these guys. Hopefully someone enlightens him about this, but if it continues there will obviously be a problem.Haha why are people so quick to give Jack Black "still I doubt he has any idea..." thing? For the Pewdiepie, and now for Notch... next all of a sudden he will collaborate with Jon Tron or something and people would still say "Well I doubt he has any idea who JonTron is..."
Like, it's because you folks like him or something that you gave him so many chances like this?
It is the internet, nothing can happen without anger and hate. Its pathetic.Tell me about it. My brain hurts reading these forums sometimes.
I read the thread title and think "I really shouldn't go into this thread and read ACTUAL peoples opinions on this topic" and then I do it anyway and I despair. Sometimes I don't think I should post here because too many opinions and posts sit beyond the realms of day to day realism and instead sit within the confines of internet outrage culture. The whole Etika thread where people lost all common decency for the common man was another for me. Just an angry internet mob... I mean for god's sake... its Jack Black! The man appears to be a modern day saint; and we have this thread full of people angry at him and boycotting his channel.
Sorry about your family by the way. I'm lucky in that my family was largely unaffected by WWII aside from the draft.
Yes, I forgive him because I like him, and still I like him because I think he's just doing this for his kids, and don't really know about any controversy surrounding these guys. Hopefully someone enlightens him about this, but if it continues there will obviously be a problem.
I get your point. I'll consider it strike one and see what happens.I mean, if it's someone like Dunkey I can understand that Jack doesn't know, but PewDiePie is a whole different matter/level since his various shenanigans have entered mainstream media... not to mention the fact that the Christchurch shooter mentioning his name is something that is widely reported by numerous mainstream media organizations too.
Apparently not, as the forgiveness brigade seems to already be out that forgot all about the nasty origins of pdp.
If only more people could see it this way.More people should drag PDP into these charity fundraisers. More funds we can take from his shitty base, the better.
Stefan Molyneux: Supporter of "Men's Rights" and "Race Realism" AKA Racists use history to justify their racism
Lauren Southern: Racist views on immigration and believes in "White Genocide" by minorities immigrating.
Brittany Pettibone: Pushes alt right conspiracy theories like Pizzagate and has general white nationalist views
Paul Jospeh Watson: Conspiracy theorist who aligned himself with British far right party UKIP and pushes false narratives for racist means
Ben Shapiro: Promotes racist rhetorics on top of homophobia and transphobia
Jordan Peterson: Sexist views where he openly advocates that women should be controlled by men.
All of these twitter accounts were unfollowed by Pewdiepie after the New Zealand shooting.
And as an added bonus, Pewdiepie openly promoted a youtube channel that pushed anti semetic conspiracy theories before.
But let's keep defending poor racial slur spewing, anti semetic joke making, alt right aligning Pewdiepie because a few forum posters said nasty things about him. Can't wait until next month when Notch donates to charity and we get a thread filled with people patting him on the back and feeling sorry for him getting his credit removed from Minecraft because he had "a different opinion"
Nah, you know how ERA is. It's either the deepest inky black, or the brightest eye-burning white. Nothing in between, choose your side and fight against the other.It's perfectly fine to recognize the usefulness of charity work while remembering the misdeeds of those doing it. Not instantly being 100% universally against this happening doesn't make you a Nazi sympathizer or whatever the reach of the week is.