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Indiewire: Mandalorian actor Bill Burr defends Gina Carano, complains about cancel culture
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Well that's just terrible. Now we need to cancel Indie Wire instead!
after watching the video. Yeah that's a fucking nothing burger.
the article is just pure spin...amazing!!
The "journalist" knows how to generate clicks and produce reactions appealing to our emotional side.
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The woke mob on this site are toxic as fuuuuck. Can't even be bothered to watch a clip in context.
Bill Burr is a human piece of shit because he has a questionable take once in awhile? He's a racist because he thinks Gina comparing the Jewish struggle to the "Republican struggle" is merely a stupid and terrible comparison? Is this really what we are doing now?
I assure you Bill has done more charity work than any miserable hyper woke fuck on this site.
Bill Burr is a human piece of shit because he has a questionable take once in awhile? He's a racist because he thinks Gina comparing the Jewish struggle to the "Republican struggle" is merely a stupid and terrible comparison? Is this really what we are doing now?
I assure you Bill has done more charity work than any miserable hyper woke fuck on this site.
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I learned a while back that a whole lot of people can't seem to be bothered to fact check or look into things themselves here. So much negativity thrown around and people seemingly can't wait to pounce on others and attack them.
Every topic is just an opportunity to push a personal agenda. That's the internet. Best to get used to it.
We all do it.
The same people who would comment and get angry without looking up what he said would probably just read the title and nothing in the OP or threadmarks anyway.
I think people do fact check here but only when they disagree with what is being claimed. They are very eager to accept anything that enforces their already held opinions and worldview.
Broadly speaking, this site is no longer a reliable source of actual progressives; it's mostly just woke white libs ripping hair from scalp over every infringement and sin they can find, continually proving right-wingers right about cancel culture while in the same breath claiming it doesn't exist.
Bill's a great guy. He probably ranted something as he always does.
I see this article was a little off. I laughed my ass off at his Monday podcast this morning.
I see this article was a little off. I laughed my ass off at his Monday podcast this morning.
So what is the ratio of "woke scalp ripping white liberal" fake stories to actual stories about racists, misogynists and bigots being called out on this site?
You mean like the right wing wanting to cancel:
Colin Kaepernick
Lebron James
The NFL
The NBA
Yeti ice coolers
Keurig
Nike
quite literally the election results
Science
Climate Change
Fauci
Mask
Fucking reality
Should I keep going?
Feels like a few people on this page should probably log off and think about not logging back in again.
I'll admit I took the headline at face value and didn't look further. With that said, I've consumed enough of his material to know this isn't far past what he would do. Hell, Chapelle slipped further into this crusade, why not Burr? Sad to read it was taken out of and placed into a worse, manufactured context. Shit like that only drives the notion comics are always on about.
Cancel culture as I see it is not an independently left or right-wing thing. Both left and right have relatively high-profile instances of 'cancelling' that happens, and the right LOVES to forget that they do this shit. But the left likes to pretend it doesn't exist, which isn't helping anybody, frankly.
People who complain about cancel culture are just as boring as the people who complained about the PC police back then. Find a new schtick, please. If I wanted to read Bret Stephens' weekly column about cancel culture I'd subscribe to NYT.
It's purely dumb bullshit how it's presented as a great hardship for people to not be bigoted assholes who deny the existence of systemic racism, mock mask users, make transphobic pronoun comments and whatever else. Then when they get called out on their asshole behavior, its time to boohoo about them being the victim and how it's somehow bad that there are sometimes consequences to being a massive asshole, so they can grift money from morons to fight this grave injustice.
To some extent, people do have the right to be an asshole. Just like how people and companies have a right to not want to associate with assholes.
People opting to utilize the latter right, is not equivalent to witch hunts, oppression and silencing. Or the Holocaust, like Carano has been saying. It's just people telling you you're an asshole and to fuck off.
To some extent, people do have the right to be an asshole. Just like how people and companies have a right to not want to associate with assholes.
People opting to utilize the latter right, is not equivalent to witch hunts, oppression and silencing. Or the Holocaust, like Carano has been saying. It's just people telling you you're an asshole and to fuck off.
The right (and even some liberals) effectively deaded the Dixie Chicks way back when they spoke out about the US war efforts. Post 9/11 America has certainly been interesting.
The left's "cancel culture" if that's what you wanna call accountability, is mostly towards toxic individuals. The Right's "cancel culture" are on actual things that affect millions of people, but sure "both sides" am I right?
I agree with you that, generally, the left is more correct in their evaluations of who should be held accountable. I'm literally a socialist, so when it comes to values, you and I probably share most of them. But I am *keenly* aware of how easy it is to lose culture wars when the narrative hangs in the balance, and the left is losing their footing with cancel culture enough that I think some introspection is needed when dealing with big fries and small fries. Carano, as terrible as her posts were on Twitter, probably wasn't the best target in the world. To elaborate: most of the people I talk to in the not-resetera plane of existence think Carano's cancellation was a really big mistake and was a major over-correction. Nobody with a brain thinks she didn't do a bad thing, but most people who don't have them leaking out of their skull can admit that the crime probably didn't match the punishment. If we are still in the business of convincing people that we're right (and by extension, that they aren't), we need to be able to see when we pulled the trigger on an unworthy target.
I'm so sick of these stupid fucks and their same, shitty argument. "Cancel culture" has ALWAYS existed. Companies fire people if they think something they did or said affects their business. When has this not existed?? They're just mad a ton of derogatory and discriminatory shit people used to get away with is now included and companies are more sensitive to it. Tough shit.
she sucks, her acting sucks, and "we" didn't pull the trigger, disney did because disney ultimately understand involving themselves with conspiracy idiots who make parler accounts is bad.
gina is a irrevelant speck in the "culture wars".
cut the cancel culture obsession crap out too. take a break from the internet.
Probably wishing he could say all the shit Carano has said, or at least some of it, but has juuuust enough common sense not to. People who see "cancel culture" this way only see consequence without legitimate human cause beyond 'lol identity politics, lol self-gratification from virtue signaling' when the real causes are "I'm hurting a bunch of people who are being hurt now, have been historically shit on, and I'm getting shit on in return for not caring when I hurt them, and I'm fucking up healing between people by acting like a shit and maybe fostering genocidal social structures, and when I do this maybe people don't want to be my friends or have my influence around the workplace."
I mean, dude's a super crass comedian. Just because he's learned some things from his wife doesn't mean he doesn't act like a crass comedian anymore. I've tried to learn quite a few things myself and I still have hella blind spots.
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What now?
He still says all the quotes that are in the OP. They still spend several minutes moaning about cancel culture.
I don't know what is being contested about the article. The way they describe Burr as "defending" Carano? He's not going to bat for what she posted, but he's also not really engaging with it. The discussion and defense seems to be more about defending her against out of control "cancel culture" and defending her character.
Burr fans missing the point
I used to like the guy and in some ways he seems like a genuinely good dude but he's just flat out wrong about cancel culture and obviously wrong in this specific instance. Fuck her character. Fuck any sympathy. Consequence culture is finally coming for privileged white people and so many can't process it
I love that in response to a white man screeching about consequences coming down on a bigoted piece of shit who peddled dangerous conspiracy theories to her hundreds of thousands of followers.... you then generalize and exaggerate the concerns people have about Burr's shitty comments. I'm sure someone ITT did call him a racist, but not one person in the first page does and yet you're content to flip out and generalize an entire forum while wringing hands like a closet alt righter
Fucking disappointing, man. Sort out your priorities
I used to like the guy and in some ways he seems like a genuinely good dude but he's just flat out wrong about cancel culture and obviously wrong in this specific instance. Fuck her character. Fuck any sympathy. Consequence culture is finally coming for privileged white people and so many can't process it
Lol deeemmmm you having a take like this just makes too much sense
I love that in response to a white man screeching about consequences coming down on a bigoted piece of shit who peddled dangerous conspiracy theories to her hundreds of thousands of followers.... you then generalize and exaggerate the concerns people have about Burr's shitty comments. I'm sure someone ITT did call him a racist, but not one person in the first page does and yet you're content to flip out and generalize an entire forum while wringing hands like a closet alt righter
Fucking disappointing, man. Sort out your priorities
Disney was looking to fire her for months now so it wasn't some on-going campaign by "the left" who don't have some headquarters some where making decisions on who to cancel. People who pay attention to this stuff just reacted to all the shit she's been posting.
There will always be a right wing backlash to liberal/left social and economic change, no matter how small. We can't tip toe around it by being extra extra careful that the wrong people aren't canceled or that some people are too loud as activists. There will always be people on the left end of things who are going to make people uncomfortable by challenging the status quo and there will be conservatives lying in the wake to fight back against that change, and use those activist to scare the majority. MLK was deemed too radical in his day.
It's important to remember that most people aren't caught up in the cancel culture wars being waged online. Conservatives and reactionaries will find some "excess of the left" one way or the other to paint all liberals as crazy radicals. They'll make it up if they have to. They complained about PC in the 90s, Fox News fear mongered about marriage equality in the 00s, and now they'll find something like cancel culture to rally people against. So you shouldn't worry about the left going to far and scaring away people to our side cause.
in what world does being fired for doing something your boss explicitly tells you not to do multiple times appear as the 'crime' not fitting the 'punishment'. did you check all their other orifices for leaks?
I'm not calling people out, nor should I need to. It benefits nobody and just causes unnecessary drama in a thread when people feel like you're singling them out, which only derails the topic at hand. You should really learn to do the same.
As far as I'm aware, Carlin always believed comedy should punch up not down. He was never the sort of person who'd make jokes about marginalised groups anyway, so he'd probably be okay with people being "cancelled" for offensive comments and beliefs. I don't believe he had a very high opinion of Andrew Clay, for example.
Basically all comedians are against the idea of cancel culture because so many of their routines are hinged on going over the line for a punchline.
That said, having watched the video in question, I'm not finding anything particularly offensive or objectionable.
That said, having watched the video in question, I'm not finding anything particularly offensive or objectionable.
I don't disagree with most of that. She isn't a good actress, and Gina as a human being is mostly irrelevant. I do think, though, that she has contributed more to a narrative of 'leftist mob twitter cancel culture ruining the world' more than most; in part because of her status in a well-known series, and now because she has been hired back by Ben Shapiro's moronic company. She gets to continue being essentially what she is, and employed, and now gets to pipe up through Shapiro's platform as well. Again, most people who I interact with think she was a step to far. You can look at that as data and use it to protect a movement you care about, or you can say it's absolutely worthless information and you don't care, but I think when fighting a culture war you gotta play it more carefully than this. Disney did everything they could to save her stupid career and she didn't give them much of a reason to stick around, but on the way out the door she played a victim better than most and has probably done more damage on her way out then staying in.
In any other sphere of humanity I would be considered a leftist. My father jokingly calls me Comrad.
Only here am I considered the second coming of Hitler. Oh crap.. a nazi comparison. Off to the gulag with me.
The whole point of the article and how it frames everything is to generate outrage. Basically it's just generating articles to get people clicking and commenting. It fuel to rile up a certain demographic in the online outrage community, which then riles up another outrage demographic, and round and round it goes as they profit from it.