The "loophole" is supposed to be addressed by Congress by way of impeachment and trial. Only impeachment occurred, Senate shielded him from trial.
The "loophole" is supposed to be addressed by Congress by way of impeachment and trial. Only impeachment occurred, Senate shielded him from trial.
Nah. Sorry - infinite lack of liability is also the thing ruining peoples lives via business rights. Fuck Trump, his entire family, every businessperson associated with them, and every corrupt person that touched them. And for every illegal thing done put them in jail.
Setting aside the moral issues of letting a trump go without punishment.
What unity would letting him off bring? What idiot thinks trump's cult would be any less fanatical through this gesture?
What unity would letting him off bring? What idiot thinks trump's cult would be any less fanatical through this gesture?
If he does, he should still be taken a court to contest that pardon.
Self pardons are disputed. We should go after him and let the precedent be set. Might as well test the theory with someone who deserves to be prosecuted.
Carve it in a giant marble slab and put it outside his window. This guy should just fuck off forever.
This dude is legit clueless as fuck if he thinks that showing that the President is above the law is the way to regain the peoples' trust in government.
I don't know who mashed these two gifs together, but they should also be prosecuted.
Sounds good Jim. It's not Biden's call, it's the DOJs and the federal attorneys.
I also wonder whether Comey would reconsider. This was written in his book before the last 2 months of Trump literally trying a coup to become president for life, including committing a felony by soliciting election fraud from an election official... on tape.
I also wonder whether Comey would reconsider. This was written in his book before the last 2 months of Trump literally trying a coup to become president for life, including committing a felony by soliciting election fraud from an election official... on tape.
People will keep putting this on Comey, but the reality is that that's the sentiment of the President elect, his surrounding team, the Congress leaders, and likely most Senators too.
So, you can expect more side people to carry water for Biden in the next months (and we shouldn't be surprised when people in this forum also start to argue in favor too).
Which, I personally feel is unnecessary at this point, because they can just go for the classic Democrat approach, which is to postpone decisions for "a better" time, in the nebulous future.
So, you can expect more side people to carry water for Biden in the next months (and we shouldn't be surprised when people in this forum also start to argue in favor too).
Which, I personally feel is unnecessary at this point, because they can just go for the classic Democrat approach, which is to postpone decisions for "a better" time, in the nebulous future.
Yup.
He would be speaking different if Trump was running a heroin ring. What's fascinating is people like Comey absolutely believed in that affluent white men pinkie handshake promises to not break the norms would hold and it didn't*...but wants to go back to that same system as opposed to I dunno...maybe putting in safeguards and actual punishment for trying to destroy democracy.
*and to be honest, of course he would think this way. Dude has two books, presumably a nice huge house for his grandchildren to play in, and has enough connects to make sure his life and the people around him will be comfortable until he dies. So of course he wants to go back to the old days because even when they were looking dark for 99% of the country, dude was sitting pretty.
I understand it politically; you want Trump to go away since there might not even be enough oxygen in the room to also deal with prosecuting Trump in addition to all the other balls in the air. I want blood from him and all of his family down to his grandkids who will most likely have trust funds based on these ill gotten gains, but I get it.
My beef is you can't sell letting treason slide as a 'greater good', particularly from someone who got us in this mess by also letting shit slide because they believed Trump would do the right thing. Something that he would have called bullshit on if it was a drug smuggler. It should be a holding your nose, feeling dirty about it, apologetic all along the way move...not some shit which is sold as proof of the stability of our republic when you let a dude you knew was horrible go ham because of 'appearances'
The problem is, that old Democrats are still clinging to the idea that supported the GOP too: Pretense of Law and Order, to keep stability.
That's one of the reasons of why Trump's message resonated so strongly; because of the inaction to change and improve.
So, it does not take too much to understand that if Biden does not seize the moment now.. that everyone (GOP, Leftists and general Public) are expecting justice for Trump and his enablers, then the pendule will swing in the other direction, and the whole administration will get drowned from every possible side (some to take advantage, others from disillusion) and we will innevitably get another Obama 2.0
Not doing what they were elected to do, is not only abdicating their own responsibilities, it's trading expedience (to calm the waters early on), for long term damage.
Because really, if negative consequences are palatable for traitors, then there is no reason to not keep trying.
I guess we can applaud Comey for his investigation, but he is likely the reason we got Trump in the first place. For all his criticism, he put party over country and led to this complete erosion of democracy. He can fuck right off. He is responsible for the fall of the republic.
If it was prosecuted with the same vigor as minor drug crimes even.
Yup.
But also, this too.
I fully expect Trump to get away with absolutely everything, I don't think anybody is going to prosecute him for anything because everyone with the power to do so will have this same fucked up mentality as Comey. The absolute most I expect is a mild fine on some low hanging state charges, and even that I'm skeptical about.
If they actually were interested in restoring my faith in the system and institutions, they'd start by prosecuting and then jailing Trump. You know, actual accountability.
The sane position is that allowing corruption and criminality to go unpunished is the far greater risk to long-term democratic stability than triggering the partisans and galaxy brain centrists of the moment consumed by loyalty or a warped concept of civility politics
Appeasing it simply does exactly what you said, normalizes this behavior and provides a roadmap for how to perpetually get away with abuses of power and make our road out of this period of democratic backsliding that much harder.
Oh fuck that guy. We likely lived through four nightmare years of Trump because of his stupid letter.
Yeah Trump is going down after this. If he's not prosecuted the country is going to be a true mess, and that's not healing. He literally burnt down his final protection today
Exactly. I don't want Biden and the Fed Justice Dept to go forward with anything. Rather leave it to the states. Last thing we need is something misconstrued as a "coup" by the left that our allies/enemies will bring up. Even if Trump is attempting and failing on the right.