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yepyepyep

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Oct 25, 2017
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oh good we're to the "but george carlin" stage of comedian chat

This is what is kind of annoying in this thread. Some people are just coming in with different perspectives of what is funny or what is or isn't crossing a line and automatically all these posters have to respond so inflammatory and dismissive. There is seemingly no point to this thread other than outrage towards Louis CK (whom personally I don't have the highest opinion of atm).
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
28,590
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Considering I own 2 of his books and have seen every special, interview, and appearance, I wouldn't dream of doing so. No need for the hostility.
Someone bitterly punching down as the result of using power dynamics to sexually abuse women (and getting caught) has fucking nothing to do with the context of George Carlin writing jokes about religion.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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do y'all wear "What Would Carlin Do?" bracelets or something?

the dude isn't alive anymore. Don't pretend to speak for him and who he would have been today. Times change, and he very well could have updated his material. You know, to stay relevant. Instead of relying on hackneyed concepts from yesteryear.
If you are referring to me, I'm not putting words in others mouths. Only displaying evidence that crossing the line of what's socially acceptable has been a part of comedy for a very long time and the biggest pioneers fought for this idea.
 

sabrina

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Oct 25, 2017
5,174
newport beach, CA
This is what is kind of annoying in this thread. Some people are just coming in with different perspectives of what is funny or what is or isn't crossing a line and automatically all these posters have to respond so inflammatory and dismissive. There is seemingly no point to this thread other than outrage towards Louis CK (whom personally I don't have the highest opinion of atm).
Yeah. I hate when people invoke George Carlin in an inflammatory and dismissive way. They think they can just say "bu bu bu Carlin!" and ignore all of the context of the thread and the many pages of discussion it's had. They don't think this thread has any point, so they just drop their hot take and expect to be revered instead of realizing they're just the latest in a long line of bad hot takes.
 

sabrina

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If you are referring to me, I'm not putting words in others mouths. Only displaying evidence that crossing the line of what's socially acceptable has been a part of comedy for a very long time and the biggest pioneers fought for this idea.
Crossing the line: hey let's treat trans people like people. I know some of y'all don't, so let's cross this line.

Not crossing the line: lmao asians have tiny dicks
 

L Thammy

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I wanted to google "conservative rebel" because parts of this thread remind me of how people who are parts of the majority, hate minorities or any challenge to the status quo, and swallow nothing but propaganda love to frame themselves as the freethinking underdog fighting the power. Except everything that I found were from people who legitimately thought of themselves as that, so now I'm sad.
 

Sande

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like many users I assume, I never even heard of "threadmarks" until this thread.

This is something new with the Era redesign, right? The ability to jump to a mod post without them needing to edit a comment into the 1st post of the thread?
It's pretty hilarious that they've made them about as difficult to find as possible. It's technically an improvement over just editing the OP, but this thread is a clear example that it pretty much just means no one's gonna actually see them. At least OPs are sometimes read.
 

Haloid1177

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Oct 25, 2017
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I gotta be real, it's a bummer to me how shit of a person Louis turned out to be. Louie as a show was super inspiring to me as an aspiring screenwriter, and the ways he figured out how to get his content out was something. And then he's just another in the long line of shitty men doing shitty things and now appealing to an awful demographic to remain relevant.

Fuck you, Louis.
 

smellyjelly

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Aug 2, 2018
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If you are referring to me, I'm not putting words in others mouths. Only displaying evidence that crossing the line of what's socially acceptable has been a part of comedy for a very long time and the biggest pioneers fought for this idea.

Carlin often crossed the line to deconstruct social conservatism and the status quo.

What Carlin didn't do was criticize victims of a school shooting testifying before congress as something inane and annoying.

There's a difference between a measured, well thought out routine and frustrated vitriol.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
28,590
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If you are referring to me, I'm not putting words in others mouths. Only displaying evidence that crossing the line of what's socially acceptable has been a part of comedy for a very long time and the biggest pioneers fought for this idea.
And the argument you're making is completely ignoring the context of Louie's situation
And thank goodness for that. There are plenty of other places online to be a shitty person, so there's no reason to be one here.
But.. But..

THAT'S CENSORSHIP
 

KtotheRoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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So many people have already caught a ban for supporting CK's "comedy." Why do so many more come in to fall on the sword after seeing all the bands? I really don't get it.
 

Deleted member 25445

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User Banned (2 Weeks): Doubling down after returning from a ban, ignoring modpost, account still in junior phase.
That's because transphobia isn't allowed on this site. What is hard to understand.
I think it's a shame that there's no nuance allowed at all in regards to the topic of comedy. The blanket bans are shameful.
 
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Carlin often crossed the line to deconstruct social conservatism and the status quo.

What Carlin didn't do was criticize victims of a school shooting testifying before congress as something inane and annoying.

There's a difference between a measured, well thought out routine and frustrated vitriol.
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I spoke to Carlin only once, in 1999, and pressed him on a school shooting bit, which he did the night of the Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado.
"How can you still do that joke?" I asked.
"Boy, you need that joke more than ever now," he said. "The artificial weeping in this country, this nationwide mourning for dead people is just embarrassing, and these ribbons and these teddy bears and these little places where they put notes to dead people and all this s---. This is embarrassing and unnecessary, and it just shows how immature, how emotionally immature the American people as a class are."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/ente...lin-9-11-routine-released-20160908-story.html

However, my point was not to directly relate specific material of comedians but to relate that pushing past whatever the current social topic lines are is what alot of the most popular comics do.
It's up to what each individual finds acceptable as a joke, of course.
Louis C.K. is just another comedian attempting to do so, whether successful at it or not. Comedy can be very personal, depending on the viewer.
 

Falconbox

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Oct 27, 2017
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Off topic a bit, but what the hell is a threadmark?

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Upper right of the thread. If there's an official mod post, the "Staff Posts" button will be there, and you can click it and jump right to a mod's comment, no matter what page it's on.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
28,590
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I think it's a shame that there's no nuance allowed at all in regards to the topic of comedy. The blanket bans are shameful.
If you actually examine the thread, you'll see that discussion did happen without bans, when people actually raised a discussion instead of throwing out a transphobic and dismissive "it's funny". Which is not a discussion at all.
 

Speevy

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I don't pretend to understand all the facets of what comedy should or shouldn't be. I only understand that you shouldn't pick on people for things they have no control over. It's hard sometimes to ignore peer pressure but it really reveals your character when you stand up for yourself and others.

We could also use this time to look back and the things we thought were absolutely hilarious in the past that perhaps were hurtful to someone who didn't deserve it. The times when "Oh lighten up." wasn't really the right answer.
 

Beef Supreme

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Oct 25, 2017
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SMH @ the comparisons to George Carlin. Carlin was wrong about one thing, there is a God and his name is George.
 

smellyjelly

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Aug 2, 2018
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I spoke to Carlin only once, in 1999, and pressed him on a school shooting bit, which he did the night of the Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado.
"How can you still do that joke?" I asked.
"Boy, you need that joke more than ever now," he said. "The artificial weeping in this country, this nationwide mourning for dead people is just embarrassing, and these ribbons and these teddy bears and these little places where they put notes to dead people and all this s---. This is embarrassing and unnecessary, and it just shows how immature, how emotionally immature the American people as a class are."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/ente...lin-9-11-routine-released-20160908-story.html

However, my point was not to directly relate specific material of comedians but to relate that pushing past whatever the current social topic lines are is what alot of the most popular comics do.
It's up to what each individual finds acceptable as a joke, of course.
Louis C.K. is just another comedian attempting to do so, whether successful at it or not. Comedy can be very personal, depending on the viewer.

Right, and in the very same article it illustrates the difference and change in his mentality between his bit about impersonal feelings of mass tragedies and then him later re-thinking and shelving the bit after 9/11 because of how he was affected.



Carlin's material evolved and wasn't used aimlessly to push the limits of what was socially acceptable. Structure and nuance are important.
 
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Platy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I will never understand the George Carling comparison .... dude was the KING of punching up. Dude punched on religion, conservative politicians who just want to control women, people who didn't believe in global warming, rapists and everything else.

Carling would NEVER do anything even CLOSE to joking about trans people or children shooting survivors
 

collige

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Oct 31, 2017
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I spoke to Carlin only once, in 1999, and pressed him on a school shooting bit, which he did the night of the Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado.
"How can you still do that joke?" I asked.
"Boy, you need that joke more than ever now," he said. "The artificial weeping in this country, this nationwide mourning for dead people is just embarrassing, and these ribbons and these teddy bears and these little places where they put notes to dead people and all this s---. This is embarrassing and unnecessary, and it just shows how immature, how emotionally immature the American people as a class are."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/ente...lin-9-11-routine-released-20160908-story.html

However, my point was not to directly relate specific material of comedians but to relate that pushing past whatever the current social topic lines are is what alot of the most popular comics do.
It's up to what each individual finds acceptable as a joke, of course.
Louis C.K. is just another comedian attempting to do so, whether successful at it or not. Comedy can be very personal, depending on the viewer.
The difference is the Parkland survivors are doing the exact opposite of artifical weeping since they're out there trying to get shit done. If anything, this is an indictment of the tHoUgHtS aNd PrAyErS bullshit we see after every shooting
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
I will never understand the George Carling comparison .... dude was the KING of punching up. Dude punched on religion, conservative politicians who just want to control women, people who didn't believe in global warming, rapists and everything else.

Carling would NEVER do anything even CLOSE to joking about trans people or children shooting survivors
And yet we have idiots here trying desperately to draw parallels between punching down and punching up.
 

Brokenrobot

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Jul 12, 2018
295
I gotta be real, it's a bummer to me how shit of a person Louis turned out to be. Louie as a show was super inspiring to me as an aspiring screenwriter, and the ways he figured out how to get his content out was something. And then he's just another in the long line of shitty men doing shitty things and now appealing to an awful demographic to remain relevant.

Fuck you, Louis.

Agree completely. There was a time when it looked certain he was going to go down in history as one of the greats now hes just gonna be a sad footnote. Way to flush your enormous potential down the toilet you fucking pervert.
 

smellyjelly

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Aug 2, 2018
774
The difference is the Parkland survivors are doing the exact opposite of artifical weeping since they're out there trying to get shit done. If anything, this is an indictment of the tHoUgHtS aNd PrAyErS bullshit we see after every shooting

Yeah, I honestly feel like you'd have to intentionally misconstrue the intent of the article and the joke just to post that quote.

Straight up looks like the dude googled Carlin School Shooting fishing for a gotcha quote.
 

Deleted member 12224

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I spoke to Carlin only once, in 1999, and pressed him on a school shooting bit, which he did the night of the Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado.
"How can you still do that joke?" I asked.
"Boy, you need that joke more than ever now," he said. "The artificial weeping in this country, this nationwide mourning for dead people is just embarrassing, and these ribbons and these teddy bears and these little places where they put notes to dead people and all this s---. This is embarrassing and unnecessary, and it just shows how immature, how emotionally immature the American people as a class are."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/ente...lin-9-11-routine-released-20160908-story.html

However, my point was not to directly relate specific material of comedians but to relate that pushing past whatever the current social topic lines are is what alot of the most popular comics do.
It's up to what each individual finds acceptable as a joke, of course.
Louis C.K. is just another comedian attempting to do so, whether successful at it or not. Comedy can be very personal, depending on the viewer.
The difference between Carlin's Uncle Dave bit, the observation of natural disasters as disaster porn, and the school shootings bits and Louis CK are a difference in kind, not degree.

Using comedy to critique our culture's odd combination of inability to respond to death, our false care about tragedy, and our perverse interest in tragedy ("wow that hurricane is crazy big stay safe let me watch the coverage 24/7 like it's a movie and remark about the horror in a way that suggests I'm perversely excited by this!") is different kind of joke than complaining that school shooting survivors getting a voice is silly because they merely survived a shooting.

"Everybody gets upset when there's a shooting at a high school. I don't really see why it's any worse than anybody else dying. I don't. Cuz a lot of people die, every day 7,500 people die in America, okay, so that day 17 kids got shot in a school. What about the other... 7,500 people. They didn't die in their sleep. Some of them got electrocuted. By their parents. People get upset because they're young. Because they died so young. That's offensive to me."

The observation offered is we care because of their youth versus anyone else who dies for any reason. Possibly worth mining: what sort of tragedy does society deem worth caring or pretending to care about?

But the context of other material criticizing school shooting survivors for society caring about their voice and them being boring for complaining renders this all a complaint about their speaking up. Without juxtaposing this to some other issue and why it's victims aren't heard, it sounds like little more than a rant.
 
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Finale Fireworker

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I don't think you can say its funny without catching a ban. That opinion is not allowed here.

Just to clarify this a bit more:

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/12/l...ors-transphobic-standup-set-leaks-1202031423/
Adopting a high-pitched voice to mock a transgender/non-binary youth, C.K. said, "They're like royalty. They tell you what to call them. 'You should address me as they/them. Because I identify as gender neutral.' Okay. You should address me as 'there,' because I identify as a location. And the location is your mother's cunt. It doesn't have to be that nasty, but it can be."

This is a mean-spirited joke meant to mock and degrade transgender and non-binary people. It's a transphobic comment. This is rhetoric we do not allow or applaud on ResetEra, plain and simple. Making excuses for or relishing in this kind of rhetoric is against our terms of service and has been an actionable offense since the site's inception. This site has a mission statement that defending this kind of rhetoric goes against.

The same is true for the racist jokes about Asians for all the same reasons. It's not content we allow on the forum and never have. Whether someone finds it funny or not is irrelevant because it's not allowed here.

He makes plenty of other jokes that aren't racist or transphobic where people can debate the acceptability of the subject matter without violating our terms of service. Hopefully this clears things up for everyone.
 

Tfritz

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is what is kind of annoying in this thread. Some people are just coming in with different perspectives of what is funny or what is or isn't crossing a line and automatically all these posters have to respond so inflammatory and dismissive. There is seemingly no point to this thread other than outrage towards Louis CK (whom personally I don't have the highest opinion of atm).

Yeah, it sure is annoying how anytime some trash tier comedian trots out some lame ~edgy~ bits, and people say "hey that bit is super shitty my dude," there will always, always, be people popping in to screech "but george carliiiiiiiin"
 

weemadarthur

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Oct 25, 2017
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Off topic a bit, but what the hell is a threadmark?
To clarify what the other poster said.
Staff Posts are chosen by (and possibly made by?) the staff as very-important-posts in a thread.
Threadmarks are chosen by OPs as very-important-posts in a thread.

Only one is likely to contain TOS observations and direction on what is acceptable in any given thread.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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A Carlin set never sounded like a homeless man yelling to drink full and descend. CK's just did.

A while ago I would've put the two against each other. CK's done.
 
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