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All you can do in this case is just hope that they don't vote. At this point you have to actively be avoiding the news to not know anything about impeachment.
No, I mean, I haven't watched or read much anything today. I'm hearing more bombshells were dropped?
I'm positive Schiff will after he gavels in or after 45 minutes.
Here is my totally amateur opinion on how this is going to work. I am absolutely positive people in this thread are better prepared to answer these issues but I do hope that this post stimulates some discussion. With that said:
Do not lament quite yet. The intelligence committee is not following up with the courts at this time because they are going to use these denials (obstruction) as an article of impeachment for the judiciary committee which is where the written recommendation from the intelligence committee goes. Once the judiciary committee gets the recommendations they will attempt to uphold the subpoenas produced by the intelligence committee along with any new subpoenas (Sondland documentation etc...).
So in short, I expect these hearings in the intelligence committee to wrap up this week.
Complete speculation here on how this will go:
1. They will draft the articles next week.
2. They will deliver them to the judiciary committee.
3. The judiciary will create rules for the proceedings.
4. They will then hold people in contempt (no jail or anything or dramatic scenes) and it will go to the courts. SCOTUS will be the final say on this issue. The SCOTUS ruling is THE MOST IMPORTANT part of all of this- not removing Trump. They will either uphold the foundational responsibility of the three branches or not. IF they vote against Congress's ability to subpoena the Executive branch during an impeachment the game is over- and it's over forever. What I mean by game is that the constitution of the United States provides the Executive branch way more power than is considered acceptable in this day and age. When the US and other countries set up democracies elsewhere they follow a more parliamentarian model (UK) and not a US model simply because too much power is given to the Executive branch and corruption in the Executive branch would lead to the ultimate result of a dictatorship. Scary huh? The only thing keeping the US from falling backward into a dictatorship is the goodwill, ideals this country was founded upon, and the ability of checks and balances. If Congress's ability to check the Executive branch is neutered the system will crumble.
Ultimately, I think SCOTUS will provide precedence that the subpoenas of Congress during their constitutional duties (Impeachment of a sitting President) outweighs any Executive branch orders to deny Congress their ability to investigate such issues. This creates multiple problems (the house determines its own rules, the possibility of obstruction of Executive duties in the future, etc...) BUT the alternative is abandoning the foundation of the constitution. SCOTUS absolutely does not want to make this decision but they will have to. It will also be the most important SCOTUS ruling in the last 100 years.
5. Once SCOTUS provides their ruling and provided they rule in the way I think they will the people subpoenaed will be required to appear. By force if necessary.
6. The documentation/transcripts/testimony will provide direct evidence of a quid pro quo, obstruction, as well as actual crimes by himself or his staff OR a complete coverup including documentation destruction. At this point in time, the House will impeach Trump.
7. Given the evidence, the Senate Republicans will provide a HUGE amount of pressure for Trump to resign behind closed doors. What Trump will actually do is a complete mystery because he is mentally ill. I am completely convinced he is sick.
Wow, listening to Holmes' opening statement. Sondland is a lying piece of shit. I completely believe Holmes. Also, the comment about race card?? Yikes what a fuck head.
This is a great roundup of what's ahead of us. And as someone who has a parent who is suffering alzheimers disease, yes he has some serious mental health issues.
next time any of the gop dipshits leave and come back somebody should ask them what Hannity had to say
I feel like this is not a genuine reflection of the American people. Most people work and don't have time to make calls to CSPAN during a busy work day. They seem like a vocal outlier of the public.
That said, their opinions shouldn't go unheard, it's important to be educated on what they think, no matter how poorly devised their mindsets may be.
Considering how much the Republicans have shit themselves and the bed, you can only imagine they need time to shovel it back in to be able to spit back out over the next few hours.
We knew that already.....Maloney ethered him for being a weasel.
The same types that would fall for that assumed the rumors were true about Clintons having people assassinated. They are gone.
they vote. meanwhile, people are too busy working to vote.
GOP bitching on the floor about how Thanksgiving is going to be divided.
Should've thought of that before you put Trump over country you fucks.
Should've thought of that before you put Trump over country you fucks.
Exactly, you're looking at the same people who have Trump 2020/Hilary for Prison/Fluoride is Poisoning Us All stickers on their cars. Basically the dude who obsessed about Trump and did the mail bombings.
"Listen, about all that shit I said... what's a few jokes between friends?"
Making his case to two potential breakaways before the Senate trial starts.
Susan Collins is already on the hot seat for the Kavanaugh shenanigans.
Does she want to dig that hole further?
Does she want to dig that hole further?
Bolton is really who they need to get (and Mulvaney but I feel like Mulvaney would fall on the sword to protect himself/trump).
Bolton is a hard line R, and I get the impression he HATES trump and will have zero issue throwing the entire admin under the bus and being blunt and honest.
Bolton is a hard line R, and I get the impression he HATES trump and will have zero issue throwing the entire admin under the bus and being blunt and honest.
I have a question for those who are more politically inclined: is there any sort of decorum or etiquette rule in congressional hearings and testimonies from those who are not elected officials? I'm asking because it just seems crazy to me that no one is saying anything to the effect of "uhhh you're completely crazy and that is not true" to anything the Republicans say. Whenever they bring up wanting the whistleblowers identity or something involving Obama, Soros, or the Clinton's I'm just like, how is no one responding like this GIF:
The only thing I am not clear about the Supreme Court's involvement here is if they stall and run out the clock for as long as possible and Trump ends up being voted out in 2020 if there is some out for them to not set precedent here one way or the other.
If it was the reason they are more stupid then I realize. She said as much in closed door deposition, they would be stupid not to realize she was going to do the same in open session considering how much passion she as for the subject.
