at the very least, let's confirm that all 3 of them were in the room at the same time. even in the same building with visitor logs and stuff. then if they were all in the same room, its he said she said
"I'm the f'n president. Take me up to the Capitol now" - Hutchinson testifies that Trump tried to grab the steering wheel of a car to head to Capitol
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Geez, it's too bad the people investigating this for a year and a half didn't consult you before calling her to testify.
You're missing the gigantic fact that cars are small relative to the people in them and all one has to do is lean forward to grab the steering wheel.
You're taking "lunge" way too seriously. The media hopped on that word for click bait when in reality Trump could have leaned over the center console and reached for the wheel with ease.
I just expect the worst in this timeline. I wouldn't put it past someone taking one for the team and trolling the J6 committee.
What advantage would she derive from that? The agents have more incentive to lie since they could be placed back in high-status roles if Trump is re-elected.
27 year olds who already enjoyed legal protection from the Trump team aren't going to commit perjury as some legal Hail Mary on Donald's behalf, and she had already sat with the committee multiple times giving sworn testimony. This isn't the WWE, we just heard from a bunch of Trump's lawyers (all Republicans) accusing the President and his dumbest lawyers of conspiring to illegally defraud the election.
Jesus. We went from every network including Fox News shaken by this testimony to "she's a liar/sleeper agent" in, what, four hours? Wake up.
She could go to prison for lying under oath.
Anyone who refutes it can also testify under oath. Right now you're just giving into fear and doubt like they want you to.
This. The secret service agents can deny all they want publicly while not under oath.
Regardless of if I believe that there are people lying for Trump like the person who says he never told her, she was definitely truthful. She should be believed.
Anyone that wants to not believe her were going to not believe her regardless of what proof there is.
Anyone that wants to not believe her were going to not believe her regardless of what proof there is.
That's not how any of this works. They're not asking questions that they don't already have extremely credible answers to from multiple sources. No one's making shit up on the fly for lols and risking perjury convictions.
An "unnamed source close to the secret service." So not the secret service? Someone's friend? It's Trump isn't it? Sounds like this may be republican fud. Unless they actually say so under oath this should be ignored.
The two claims don't even contradict each other.
The reported claim
Hutchinson's testimony
1) Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that Trump grabbed the steering wheel.
Hutchinson testified that Ornato told her Trump reached to the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. She didn't claim whether he grabbed the wheel or not, just that he reached for it.
Hutchinson testified that Ornato told her Engel directed Trump to let go of the steering wheel.
This may imply that Trump grabbed the steering wheel, but it's not what she said. And it also could be that she misspoke and the actual quote was something along the lines of Engel telling Trump to retract his hand. But it's actually completely irrelevant to her central claim if Trump managed to eventually grab the steering wheel or not.
2) Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that Trump grabbed the agent.
Hutchinson testified that Trump lunged towards the agent, and indicated that Ornato gestured to his clavicle. This could be anything from a feint, to a punch, to a shove. But all she testified was that it was a lunge towards the agent. She certainly didn't testify was that Trump grabbed an agent. And she absolutely didn't testify Ornato said an assault occurred.
The reported claim
Hutchinson's testimony
1) Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that Trump grabbed the steering wheel.
Hutchinson testified that Ornato told her Trump reached to the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. She didn't claim whether he grabbed the wheel or not, just that he reached for it.
Hutchinson testified that Ornato told her Engel directed Trump to let go of the steering wheel.
This may imply that Trump grabbed the steering wheel, but it's not what she said. And it also could be that she misspoke and the actual quote was something along the lines of Engel telling Trump to retract his hand. But it's actually completely irrelevant to her central claim if Trump managed to eventually grab the steering wheel or not.
2) Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that Trump grabbed the agent.
Hutchinson testified that Trump lunged towards the agent, and indicated that Ornato gestured to his clavicle. This could be anything from a feint, to a punch, to a shove. But all she testified was that it was a lunge towards the agent. She certainly didn't testify was that Trump grabbed an agent. And she absolutely didn't testify Ornato said an assault occurred.
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100% this. Said the same thing in the other thread.
i misspoke. why are you all believing a twitter user who heard from a source that heard from the secret service agents who hasnt sworn yet
Think about how crazy the MAGA's have been acting after the baseless claims of fraud in the election.
Now think about how they'd act if a car containing Trump drove off a cliff.
There would be a literal civil war!
That's not how this works. She was under oath. If she lied about a conversation she was present for then there can be a criminal referral perjury. She would go to jail. If someone lies to a committee or a court you don't say it's a huge blow to the court or committee. You say that person is a liar and keep it moving.
I'm not sure where your comment is coming from or what your basis is for making it but lying under oath to discredit the January 6th committee at the risk of your own personal safety is some soap opera shit, not something that happens in real life. That's some mustache twirling shit.
Everything that's on the record about Hutchinson is that she was Maga through and through. So doing this puts her in serious personal danger. Why would this woman put herself in danger like that? What would she have to gain? Especially when her testimony shows that Trump knew his supporters were carrying weapons, it backs up the claim that trump was losing his grip on reality after the election and that trump and every one around him PLANNED January 6th rather than the riot happening because people were pissed off. That shows conspiracy and incitement. They were going to over throw the government. She testified that these people KNEW that. How does that discredit the January 6th committee? Further, what does she GAIN by putting that on the record?
I realize this is the worst timeline in a lot of ways but try to have a sanity check here, man. You're one step away from whacko conspiracy shit with that take.
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You really think she's going to go on national tv and tell lies that make trump look bad? Put a huge target on her back for any ol' MAGA idiot out there that doesn't know she's actually lying to *help* trump?
I think some people overestimate the people in trump world. Like they are all some sort of Machiavellian masterminds when reality has shown us over and over that they are buffoons throwing hamberders at the wall.
It's unfortunate but it's all hearsay anyway. It wouldn't be admissible in any court. She is telling what she heard.
More evidence of the media being fucking worthless, I guess. Gotta get those clicks.
Because that was the important part of her testimony -- a self-admitted piece of (double) hearsay that was totally immaterial to the rest of the conversations and notes she detailed.
Once again, for the people catching up, literally every 'story' on this says the same thing.
This is bullshit until it comes directly from the mouths of the two people who told Hutchinson the story.
Do better.
Yeah it's unfortunate this has become the focal point. But then again it's always been a shitshow - i.e. chaos, which always seems to favor Trump.
Sure Jan. Just like Ginny Thomas? These people are performative assholes and will never testify because they wouldn't be able to lie.
I hope Hutchinson is in some place that is very secure. Lots of angry Trump supporters on various conservative forums.
Ornato is a pure Trumper. He's the one that cleared Lafayette Square for the bible photo op. He was also accused about lying about it by another aide. Who testified under oath while Oranto did not. He also was allowed to take a termporary leave of absence from the secret service to be a Trump advisor. Something that never happens. That said, he was a Trump stooge. I doubt he would have grabbed Trump. He probably lied about it to Hutchinson.
If Trump goes down from this (although betting he won't), I legit expect assassination attempts on her and some of the other principal witnesses. Lunatics gonna lunatic.
Absolutely. The media largely sucks, and is complicit in this shit we're dealing with. It's all about the ratings and money.
I hope you've rethought this position since yesterday because lol.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Trump was the best thing that ever happened to US news media. The last 4 years GoP and Dem alike have been glued to their seats every evening tuning in to see what the Orange Fuck said or did or tweeted earlier in the day.
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I haven't paid attention so far today, did something happen?
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Ugh I wish the grabbing the steering wheel stuff had never been mentioned. It's getting all the attention when what should matter is Trump wanted the armed protestors let into the rally since he knew they weren't there to hurt him.
I'd argue the witness tampering is close. That's a pretty huge deal.