If you can hold out longer and not upgrade your GPU, you'll be able to squeeze Nvidia and AMD some more.
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I am also from Germany and wanted to finally build myself a PC again once my tax return comes in. Looks like the money is finally coming but those GPU prices are still dumb. I wanted to get a 3060 TI.
Amen. Rocking a 670 myself. It's getting g to the point where new games won't launch, but I've been going through the backlog after cleaning my GPU since I have decent temps again lol.
I just hope I'll actually be able to get a 4070 or something at MSRP.
The latest 4090 sample was 30% faster in time spy, which is still a big leap.
Not 66%.
With a PS5 and a baby keeping me busy, my PC isnt getting much use anyway and I'm mostly using it for indies, retro and Paradox games. I can easily hold out to stick it to the GPU manufacturers. My RX580 will get me by. I'll probably go AMD again though as I am a Linux user.
Oddly, I'm in the same boat.
My bread & butter genres are management/simulation/strategy and just budget indies overall.
So my ancient GTX 1080 handles RimWorld, Factorio, Project Zomboid, etc. @ 120fps just fine, lol.
I saw this number on Guru3D, as always, rumors should taken with a grain of salt.
It's so close, I need to prepare my wallet for impact.
Wattage is getting scary with the past two generations. 600+ watts for a card is loony tunes.
I got a 2070S before things went nuts, so I'll just sit here nice and pretty until the 4070 hits.
What settings do you reckon a
edit: $299 is a better target given the current prices
My GTX 980, this absolute WARRIOR, is still going strong
I'm still able to play pretty much anything in my old ass rig in 1080p, so I'm not in that big of a rush
I'm planning in upgrading next year, hopefully by then the 4000 series will be already out and I also hope the prices keep improving until then
I'm still able to play pretty much anything in my old ass rig in 1080p, so I'm not in that big of a rush
I'm planning in upgrading next year, hopefully by then the 4000 series will be already out and I also hope the prices keep improving until then
I have a 850w old corsair, but my computer is getting kinda bonkers in peripherals, all Sata's are being used, all USB, PCI Sound Card, all the fans it could get, etc. I fear it not will be able to handle a 4090 / 4090Ti + Intel or AMD combo...
I tend to play games at 1080p since that is what my monitor is. At this point my current setup is struggling to run DQ11 and FF7r. So thats my target. I don't know what is out there but I know that 3050s should be fine but im not buying one for $300, sorry.
I sold my 2070 Super last year well above it's MSRP…but ended paying way above MSRP for a 3080 ti to replace.
So i have been sucked…
same boat here, except with a 2080 Super i snatched at the end of March 2020, which is crazy lucky lmfao
i'm honestly really happy with the 2080 Super in terms of 1080p/1440p performance, but I do find it somewhat limited in terms of 4k in either flagship titles with super high settings (RDR 2 almost maxed but except for AA and Water Physics lol, CP2049 w/ all RT, etc) or newer titles just pushing the hardware more (Dying Light 2 is one that runs pretty damn bad with RT at 4k, and Forza Horizon 5 is beautifully put together but I can't push it all the way like I could with FH4 on the 2080S)
just excited to cross over into the realm of that level of performance (hopefully!), holding off on doing another playthrough of RDR2, this time w/ my partner, to be able to get that experience out of it.
Agreed, $300 for a 3050 feels like too much. I mean, in my mind the X050 cards are budget cards and for me budget < $200
In any case, with the state of the economy and the world, maybe I'll just try and grab an RNDA3 7060 at launch if I can... assuming it's <$320 cause rumors said there could be a price bump :|
I haven't played on PC for such a long time that I can't decide whether I want to prioritize 1080p at the highest setting or 1440p at lower settings.
Same here. The only reason I'll upgrade my card in the near future is to upgrade my media/streaming PC from my old 970.
I originally bought my 5700xt planning to keep it for only a year or two. Then the pandemic happened, super glad I upgraded late 2019.
Looking at GPU prices right now and definitely have an itch to upgrade. I'm in a unique spot where my PSU can support the rumoured 4000 series draw but can also wait on a 3000 series GPU (same goes for AMD).
Just feels like less than projected demand + current PC owners not able to handle the new required draw + inflation/recession - something's gotta give.
Looking at GPU prices right now and definitely have an itch to upgrade. I'm in a unique spot where my PSU can support the rumoured 4000 series draw but can also wait on a 3000 series GPU (same goes for AMD).
Just feels like less than projected demand + current PC owners not able to handle the new required draw + inflation/recession - something's gotta give.
Same. I just built a new SFF PC when I was able to get a 3080FE at MSRP from Bestbuy few months ago. It's more powerful than I actually need and I don't want anything that draws more power than that.
...I mean, the 3070/3070ti/3080/3080Ti are still slightly more powerful than PS5s and Series Xs which will be the baseline for most games for at least another 4 or 5 years. The 40 series being a notable step up isn't going to change that. So yes, a 30 series card will no question be fine for at least 4 years unless you're the kind of person who wants 4k ultra settings on every single game they play no matter what.
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I agree. That power draw is ridiculous. Just a few generations ago, they were beating AMD in performance and efficiency! Now they're releasing these power hogs that probably require exotic cooling.
Seriously, can you imagine what is needed to keep these fuckers cool? The heat that's coming out of it will probably boil your room in the summer. I can imagine the chip not performing as well if it constantly overheats if the cooling isn't sufficient.
I hope whatever their next 1660 Super equivalent is under 150w. I feel like we shouldn't accept slow power creep on similar-ish class cards. Like I hope their 4060 draw more like 120w or something. Though I think a 4060 probably isn't the same class as a 1660 Super. The 1600x cards are in a weird place. Maybe their 4050 TI is a better comparison?
That's because AMD isn't far behind anymore, and both push the envelope trying to be the performance king.
That being said I don't expect 40 series to actually consume more power than 30 series does. Some stupid 4090Ti down the road maybe but not the rest.
I just built a PC with a 3080 Ti like a month ago. I read people talking about waiting but I haven't been a PC gamer in 10 years and I really couldn't wait. Besides, I only play single player games at 60 fps so I figured the 3080 Ti would last me a while. I am hoping till at least the end of the current console generation.
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People keep saying this, but this is absolutely not true.
The first card that was powerful and efficient was the GTX 750 TI. That was their very first Maxwell chip. The 750 TI was competing with the HD 7850 and rebranded RX 260x. The latter is slightly less efficient, the the HD 7800. The GTX 600 and HD7000/RX200 we're trading blows during that time with good back and forth between the two companies. Nvidia didn't completely trounce AMD until Maxwell was out.
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With PC gaming there's always something newer and better around the corner. Even with new GPU's the 3080ti will still play the latest games for years to come
I hope so. I spent a lot of money on this thing! Although, correct me if I'm wrong but the MSRP of the 3080 Ti was $1200 at the time and I paid $1000 so at least I didn't go over.
I'm still rocking a 1080 card and would like to upgrade someday. Maybe I'll get a killer deal eventually. I can wait it out
So it is true then?People keep saying this, but this is absolutely not true.
The first card that was powerful and efficient was the GTX 750 TI. That was their very first Maxwell chip. The 750 TI was competing with the HD 7850 and rebranded RX 260x. The latter is slightly less efficient, the the HD 7800. The GTX 600 and HD7000/RX200 we're trading blows during that time with good back and forth between the two companies. Nvidia didn't completely trounce AMD until Maxwell was out.
GeForce GTX 750 Ti Review: Maxwell Adds Performance Using Less Power
Now that Nvidia is designing graphics architectures with Tegra in mind, first and foremost, efficiency takes priority. Can the company's mainstream GeForce GTX 750 Ti, based on its Maxwell architecture, prove that an eye on energy trumps the old approach?www.tomshardware.com
Maxwell, Pascal and Turing (to a lesser degree) were generations where Nvidia didn't went for the highest possible consumption tier because there were simply no need - AMD couldn't compete on it. They were the fastest, period, even at 200-250W.
With RDNA2 AMD has improved their perf/watt significantly, to a point where Nvidia had to use higher power tiers to remain "the fastest". And this is one reason why we're getting 450W cards now - we wouldn't be if there would still be no competition in the top end segment.
Another reason is of course the significant slowing down of silicon improvements (in costs, power and size) which means that to continue provide performance improvements all chip vendors are pushing up the power envelope. It's happening everywhere right now not just in GPUs.
Yeah, i guess I could have been more specific when I said 'decent' or whatever. I had a 4k monitor but it was on the smaller side and I honestly could barely tell the difference between 1080 and 4k while on my Series X, so for a PC I just want high framerate @ 1080p.
I don't understand this argument. The naming is there to keep the cards comparable, otherwise why not create a new naming scheme if you're not supposed to compare the different generations of cards? Not to mention that they completely killed the sub-$200 SKU and bumped the lowest tier up to a nice 249, which gets you an RTX 3050 compared to the 149 for the GTX 1050 Ti and 1650. What about that is "priced accordingly"? It's not like the 3050 is an amazing card for its price. It only looks somewhat decent because AMD flubbed it even worse.
Take it up with nvidia marketing. What I'm saying is price to perf is better for 3060 and up. It's telling you had to go down to a non gaming card to find flubs.
I've got no horse in this race but people need to realize what they're buying and paying for.
I've been rocking a GTX 1050TI for the last several years waiting patiently for the prices to drop on these cards so I can upgrade.
I got that thing many years ago for a great deal with a number of free games and it has held up for what I need it for but a lot of games now I struggle with.
I almost pulled the trigger on a GTX3060TI the other day for 550$CAD which seemed super cheap but I think the prices will keep falling so I will hold out a little bit longer.
I got that thing many years ago for a great deal with a number of free games and it has held up for what I need it for but a lot of games now I struggle with.
I almost pulled the trigger on a GTX3060TI the other day for 550$CAD which seemed super cheap but I think the prices will keep falling so I will hold out a little bit longer.
After impatiently waiting 2.5 years to upgrade I broke 3 months ago and bought a 3090 for a little over MSRP. Felt shitty but I love PC gaming and needed a new card badly (never had RT before, was on 1080). So yeah hold as long as you can! Wish I would have just a tiny bit longer lol
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For this to be true, they would have needed to know whatever that came after the RX 200 series couldn't compete. Maxwell came out as a low-power entry-level chip first. By Pascal and Turing, sure, they knew, but not from the beginning. Maxwell was a gamble. Why did you think the first Maxwell was an entry-level card?
What gamble? They have improved their perf/watt with Maxwell and by the time they were launching high end Maxwell products everyone knew that AMD won't be able to compete at the same power level. If they'd be capable to you would have probably seen >300W products then and not with RDNA2/Ampere.
My intention was to hold out, but Amazon had a gift card offer for signing up for their Amazon card, I got $100 gift card from work, there was an open box 3070 on Amazon for $490, and 1080's are still going for $250+ on eBay. Getting a 3070 for essentially free means it's a good time to buy for me.
And should I decide to get a 4000 series card, I'd be able to leverage a resell of a 3070 to get one cheaper.
And should I decide to get a 4000 series card, I'd be able to leverage a resell of a 3070 to get one cheaper.
The reason I mentioned the 3050 is because I've been looking to replace the 1050 Ti in my HTPC for a while now and there's nothing comparable out there. The 3050 costs at least 299€ while consuming 130W vs 75W and being slower than the three year old 2060. It's about on par with the even older GTX 1070.
As for calling a GPU for 249 MSRP a "non-gaming card", that kinda proves the point now, doesn't it?