after all, it could just be the restless spirit of Rene Descartes trying to deceive us about the truth of mathematical propositions
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If the Christian God really did prove himself would that really make some atheist start following him?
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after all, it could just be the restless spirit of Rene Descartes trying to deceive us about the truth of mathematical propositions
Yes humanity has a lot to answer for, but there are also a great deal of things that have caused suffering and misery totally outside our control God would be on the hook for.
God supposedly has an infinite amount of possible things he could be doing. It's quite egotistic for religious folks to believe that a being like God's time revolves around humanity. Yeah a being with unlimited potential spends all his time worrying whether you're masturbating or kneeling to him. Btw the purpose of kneeling was so kings felt safer around peasants, because you can't run at a king and stab him if you're on your knees. Doubt god would care if you knelt before him or not.
But yeah if god really did prove himself then I would leave my atheism behind and go full blown christian.
But yeah if god really did prove himself then I would leave my atheism behind and go full blown christian.
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Yes I know about the Dead Sea Scrolls , Ethiopian Bible , Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees and more
I think the Bible has great tales the book of giants is my favorite
How would I know he's god and not just some alien who's learned about our stupid religions and is having a big laugh with all his other alien friends at our expense?
Id be too scared not to believe, considering what he does to his enemies and even his followers
God made us and is in control of everything except of course gun control which is all a bit hard and has to be delegated out.
So don't blame us if god didn't know what it was doing.
Then we should probably worship that alien lol
I've read better manga tbh
i'll take it like god intended - reverse cowboy style
yeeeehaw
that's the real reason god banned the gays, he had to get rid of his one weakness to make sure the humans could never defeat him
allegedly i'm already going there for not being straight enough, so all i'd be getting was the removal of some uncertainty
actually i'd probably die as the target of a crusade, so maybe i'd give pretending a shot for a while lol
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Aw man.
Don't shame God for His hobbies. Ever played a Civ/God game? A sufficiently advanced God game is indistinguishable from being a God.
Considering there is literally zero eyewitness historical proof for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, this is probably not the route to take if you're rooting for the Big Guy via what I can only describe as "lack of lack of evidence."
Other people wrote about Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great during their lifetimes. Most historical figures of note have corroborating accounts that clearly show they were real people that other people were aware of, talked about, and made art in response to. That's not even including the ones who wrote works themselves. Nobody doubts that these people were real.
I wouldn't follow if it's the same god that is in the Bible. Too many things I disagree with and if he is omniscient then he would know I wouldn't be following willingly. I try to live my life helping as many people as I can. If that isn't good enough then that isn't a god I would follow or worship.
It's because the Bible tells you to be good so you'll be rewarded in the afterlife, but you can only get into the Good Place if you aren't doing it for a reward.
It's actually getting people sent to the Bad Place, even if they never do anything bad.
Pretty sure the Bible is older than Genghis but definitely not older than Alexander of Macedonia.
If it we're speaking in terms of awareness, conversation, and art, I still think the Judeo-Christian God comes out ahead by these metrics. It's lacking in corroborations, true.
Does "word of God" ring a bell?
Because, what IS proof anyway?
I personally believe in a God because it's how I percieve the reality around me. That's how I make sense of things.
Others don't require that. So any proof of God would probably be wirtten off as yet another scientific phenomenon.
It depends on the doctrine, though.
In some Christian denominations, once you believe Jesus is the son of God, you are saved and go to Heaven. So if the Christian God showed himself, then believing he and Jesus existed is all it would take, not following him or changing the way you live.
Others believe it's faith plus living a particular way. But I'd imagine this Christian God would need to actually settle the debate that his own followers don't seem to be able to agree on. Is it faith alone or faith plus works.
Also, this Christian God would "know your heart" so it would know if you're only living a particular way to go to heaven (or, avoid eternal damnation in hell), so I'm not sure if a former atheist that thinks the Christian God is immoral would go to heaven even if they started following him. Deep downtThey'd still think the God was immoral.
It's funny how you anthropomorphized God. Why do we do that? Why is God busy doing things, like a person with preoccupations?
Well, I sorta took OP's topic to mean irrefutable proof that would make everyone believe there's a god.
though if God comes back and says that we should all "be excellent" and gets rid of the bogus rules, i will totally stan
Sure, but after seeing him in person, would you really want to roll the dice like that? Wouldn't you take the safe route and live the "moral" life rather just believing in Christ and hoping your denomination is the one that represents Christ? Assuming this "God" is the Christian god, of course.
Nah, I got you. I mean, I figured that was the point. But then, the question answers itself, no?
Unless you're just someone that challenges the reality in front of your very eyes. A flat-earther or something.
If the Christian god proved himself real, I'd still have a lot of questions before I was willing to offer him anything beyond "Yeah, I guess you're real".
I'd certainly become a believer. Not necessity a follower though, as the god that created such a brutal and fucked up reality is probably a real piece of garbage.
Motherfucker would owe us an explanation for that. At the very least. Since all the evil in the world would be according to their design.
Why'd the god design us that way then?
Motherfucker would owe us an explanation for that. At the very least. Since all the evil in the world would be according to their design.
What if this "moral life" includes being anti-LGBT and anti-pro choice? What if the person can't reconcile this God being "good" and its teachings "moral", even if they recognize that it exists? Are they supposed to just pretend they love this being that they think is immoral? And if so, whats the point? The being "knows their heart" anyway.
The theological answer would be we fucked it up with Original Sin and the Garden of Eden.
Of course, to that you could also say how come even then we were designed to have an appendix, an organ which we don't know why we use and ruptures from time to time killing us. It's almost like a killswitch!
If the christian god proved himself real that means:
Belial, Behemoth, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, Satanas and Lucifer are all real.
I know who I'm following here.
Belial, Behemoth, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, Satanas and Lucifer are all real.
I know who I'm following here.
The evil is of our own doing. What does God have to do with it (or the devil for that matter) besides set into motion the scientific laws which govern our reality? You already don't believe a God is real, so how does one existing mean it now gets all the credit?
Believe He is a real existing entity is very different than worshiping.
I don't believe his actions, they way they have been recorded, are worth of worship. I don't "love" a supreme because if not they are going to torture me. I've spent my life getting away from abusive relationships- I will not entire a contract with a known abuser.
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I'd follow them out of fear if they made me believe, but I don't know if I'd be able to worship an immoral monster.
This just makes me think how I'd have so many questions for them, so many "why?" questions as the Christian religion(and all the rest) make absolutely no sense.
Something important is that if they really are against the love I feel in my same-sex relationship, then I'd probably not worship them, that'd probably be the most important question I'd ask. I'd never care about a being like that.
I think I'd just continue to be the person I am, if that's not good enough then whatever.
This just makes me think how I'd have so many questions for them, so many "why?" questions as the Christian religion(and all the rest) make absolutely no sense.
Something important is that if they really are against the love I feel in my same-sex relationship, then I'd probably not worship them, that'd probably be the most important question I'd ask. I'd never care about a being like that.
I think I'd just continue to be the person I am, if that's not good enough then whatever.
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An all knowing, all responsible god is evil. There is no subtlety. If there is something that created evil, permits it, and allows it, such a deity is by definition evil.
The god created that reality. The god created the scientific laws which govern it. If such a being is truly omnipotent and all-powerful then there can be nothing that is not according to its design. It would be able to predict every possible outcome with absolute certainty since it created the literal fabric of the universe. Even if it decided to give us "free will" (air quotes because it's actually impossible to prove that free will even exists, but that's an entirely different discussion) it would have known what would happen as a result of that gift, because it created the very reality in which the gift was given.
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The heavens part, God appears in the sky, and in a booming voice delivers a single word:
"Station!"
I mean yeah I'd follow him/her/it. And being omnipotent I'm sure they know that too. Just like they knew that humanity would turn into what we are now after we were placed into the Garden of Eden and told not to gain knowledge...which they probably also knew was a rule we wouldnt adhere to.
I like to imagine the Christian God as having Dissociative Identity Disorder. One side that loves unconditionally, a side that's a jealous vindictive dick, one that sees all, and one dumb as a pile of rocks. I wonder which one is "watching" over us now lol.
I like to imagine the Christian God as having Dissociative Identity Disorder. One side that loves unconditionally, a side that's a jealous vindictive dick, one that sees all, and one dumb as a pile of rocks. I wonder which one is "watching" over us now lol.