ICE has arrested 21 Savage and are claiming he’s “unlawfully in the U.S.”

shotopunx · Feb 4, 2019

marrec said:
Savage being an immigrant to Atlanta doesn't change his story.

This is so important to the conversation around him being "fake". Even if he moved to Atlanta when he was 12, that means he spent his formative years there, so it would make sense he would say he's from Atlanta because he feels that he is.

Also why are ICE going out of their way to say "his whole persona is fake"? It's fucking weird, and the only conclusion that could be drawn is they are trying to publicly smear him.

I never thought this was funny, but the more time goes by, the less funny I think it is.

BrownWalrus · Feb 4, 2019

Widdle Puppy said:
Wait... this may actually be real? He says in literally ever song he is from east Atlanta

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-21-savage-britain-idUSKCN1PT130

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Foreign Office said on Monday it was in contact with the lawyer for a British man detained in the United States in response to reports U.S. immigration officials had arrested rapper 21 Savage for being in the country illegally.

zeioIIDX · Feb 4, 2019

MazeHaze said:
This is gonna turn out to be some shit where there's another guy with the same name.

Is immigration swatting a thing? Oh man.

Con_Smith · Feb 4, 2019

Just a heads up, 21 was really in Bouldercrest, and was really in some shits. Also, that part of East Atlanta you kind of have to adjust especially in the circles he was in.

I should have paid attention when I heard he had a weird accent when he first interacted with some back in the day peoples of mine. Makes sense now I guess.

Wolf of Yharnam · Feb 4, 2019

I don't really see the problem. If he came to the US at the age of 12, he still grew up in East Atlanta, went to HS there and had his most important teenage years in the US.

21 will always be a reprensentative of Atlanta and the rap scene there to me. Dont matter what trash ass ICE is claiming.

Anacaona · Feb 4, 2019

His name should now be Sir Savage XXI.

DOT_mjo · Feb 4, 2019

nobody would be cracking jokes if he wasn't a rapper. If he had any other profession people would take this seriously but because he's a rapper we can just point and laugh.

PassiveObserver · Feb 4, 2019

Yeah I also thought this story is wild but the memes got less and less funny. I mean, I get some of it in regards to how 21 tried to hide his roots, but shit Without Warning was a complete banger and I loved his persona nonetheless. Hope his career keeps pointing up.

____ · Feb 4, 2019

DOT_mjo said:
nobody would be cracking jokes if he wasn't a rapper. If he had any other profession people would take this seriously but because he's a rapper we can just point and laugh.

That's why this is sad. It's diet racism but we'll just ignore that because lulz.

junomars · Feb 4, 2019

The funniest part about all of this is seeing a bunch of snowflakes who've probably grown up sheltered point and laugh at a guy with felonies and multiple bullet wounds for being "fake". Other than that this ain't funny at all. You can tell who has never known an illegal immigrant or been friends with one.

TheDutchSlayer · Feb 4, 2019

Frecklestein said:
Wow, people REALLY didn't like the song choice for MK11

Ok wow that made me laugh hard :D:D:D:D

BadAss2961 · Feb 4, 2019

Prince of Yharnam said:
I don't really see the problem. If he came to the US at the age of 12, he still grew up in East Atlanta, went to HS there and had his most important teenage years in the US.

21 will always be a reprensentative of Atlanta and the rap scene there to me. Dont matter what trash ass ICE is claiming.

His claim to represent Atlanta is legit, but never mentioning where he came from brings his reputation into question.

Powdered Egg · Feb 4, 2019

NameUser said:
Man, I haven't been able to stop thinking about this. His team needs to release something soon. Is this a misunderstanding or was he really born in the UK and lived there until he was 12? That's a pretty big thing to never bring up in interviews. But it's not really a shocking omission because a lot of these new rappers give terrible interviews because they're too concerned with their image (and a lot act like they just don't know how to talk to people).

During his most recent Letterman interview, Jay-Z said 90% of rap/rappers are fake.

Nabs · Feb 4, 2019

Prince of Yharnam said:
I don't really see the problem. If he came to the US at the age of 12, he still grew up in East Atlanta, went to HS there and had his most important teenage years in the US.

21 will always be a reprensentative of Atlanta and the rap scene there to me. Dont matter what trash ass ICE is claiming.

12 was when his world got flipped and twisted upside down

21.

marrec · Feb 4, 2019

BadAss2961 said:
His claim to represent Atlanta is legit, but never mentioning where he came from brings his reputation into question.

Eh, if someone asked him where his family was at he'd tell them Atlanta, which would have been true. He doesn't have to lay out his life history to let you know where he came from.

Powdered Egg · Feb 4, 2019

Prince of Yharnam said:
I don't really see the problem. If he came to the US at the age of 12, he still grew up in East Atlanta, went to HS there and had his most important teenage years in the US.

21 will always be a reprensentative of Atlanta and the rap scene there to me. Dont matter what trash ass ICE is claiming.

He spent half his life in the UK. He's a Brit.

fick · Feb 4, 2019

Powdered Egg said:
During his most recent Letterman interview, Jay-Z said 90% of rap/rappers are fake.

mainstream probably yeah, but you hear about a lot of unknown rappers getting killed with gang shit

edit: and I love the jokes as much as anybody, but if he spent his teen years in atlanta, I don't see why he can't claim it. Admittedly weird he wouldn't embrace his past, but whatever. I say this as a non-fan.

Powdered Egg · Feb 4, 2019

fick said:
mainstream probably yeah, but you hear about a lot of unknown rappers getting killed with gang shit

edit: and I love the jokes as much as anybody, but if he spent his teen years in atlanta, I don't see why he can't claim it. Admittedly weird he wouldn't embrace his past, but whatever. I say this as a non-fan.

I'm with you. If he was in the streets in East ATL, that's fine. I wouldn't have hid my UK past though, nothing soft about the UK either.

BadAss2961 · Feb 4, 2019

marrec said:
Eh, if someone asked him where his family was at he'd tell them Atlanta, which would have been true. He doesn't have to lay out his life history to let you know where he came from.

He doesn't, but it's become the reason he's being clowned right now. There'd be no PR problem had people known he came from the UK. Everyone would just rally around him instead.

plagiarize · Feb 4, 2019

If he was brought here as a 12 year old, he shouldn't be getting deported.

I mean, as a musician he'll be fine, but fuck this sort of shit.

Dark_EMT · Feb 4, 2019

If he didn't had any felonies he could qualify for DACA.

Deleted member 5359 · Feb 4, 2019

Is he actually from the UK or is he from Dominicana?

marrec · Feb 4, 2019

BadAss2961 said:
He doesn't, but it's become the reason he's being clowned right now. There'd be no PR problem had people known he came from the UK. Everyone would just rally around him instead.

He comes form Atlanta, he was born in the UK. Also I don't think this is gunna be a PR problem for Savage, he'll get deported and keep making popular music.

SlothmanAllen · Feb 4, 2019

Reading about it makes it seems so wild. He went through so much effort to concoct a backstory for the 21 Savage character. You have to wonder at some point if he didn't start to think that he really did come from Atlanta? I wonder how many of his close friends knew that it was a put on and just went along with it to maintain the facade?

He gave multiple interviews about his upbringing, citing events in and around the city of Atlanta. Shit was incredibly well thought out. I am surprised no one has come out and been like I don't remember this dude from back in the day.

BadAss2961 · Feb 4, 2019

marrec said:
He comes form Atlanta, he was born in the UK. Also I don't think this is gunna be a PR problem for Savage, he'll get deported and keep making popular music.

It's definitely a PR problem right now, but he can also easily come back from this.

Back in the 90's his career would probably be over.

marrec · Feb 4, 2019

SlothmanAllen said:
Reading about it makes it seems so wild. He went through so much effort to concoct a backstory for the 21 Savage character. You have to wonder at some point if he didn't start to think that he really did come from Atlanta? I wonder how many of his close friends knew that it was a put on and just went along with it to maintain the facade?

He gave multiple interviews about his upbringing, citing events in and around the city of Atlanta. Shit was incredibly well thought out. I am surprised no one has come out and been like I don't remember this dude from back in the day.

It's not like dude moved to Atlanta in 2016.

Sounds like he grew up there.

BadAss2961 said:
It's definitely a PR problem right now, but he can also easily come back from this.

Back in the 90's his career would probably be over.

For sure he'd be done.

It's a PR problem as much as getting clowned on by HipHop twitter is a PR problem, which is to say, not much.

base_two · Feb 4, 2019

Dark_EMT said:
If he didn't had any felonies he could qualify for DACA.

Guidelines
You may request DACA if you:

Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;
Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;
Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012;
Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and
Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor,or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.

You're absolutely right.

SurrenderDorothy · Feb 4, 2019

torre_avenue said:

Real talk.

Spirit of Jazz said:
Yeah, I can't make a joke about a genuinely evil piece of shit like McCain after he died (not even about his death) who literally went out of his way to murder innocent people and put forward legislation that ruined lives. Yet taking the piss out of somebody who's being deported after he contributed a ridiculous amount to both the US economy (next to a regular person) and his Atlanta community by an institutionally racist organisation that murders kids and destroys family is fair game.

Goddamn, if this isn't the truth. Progressive my fucking arse..

DOT_mjo · Feb 4, 2019

We need to clarify that we are talking about Dominica and not like London town.

gcwy · Feb 4, 2019

higemaru said:
how about we keep him and deport uh james corden

I'm all for this. Actually, scratch that. Deport ICE.

SurrenderDorothy · Feb 4, 2019

gcwy said:
I'm all for this.

Nah boss, we don't want him back. He's yours.

Powdered Egg · Feb 4, 2019

In two years time we're going to find out Gucci Mane is a Rothschild.

Blackthorn · Feb 4, 2019

SlothmanAllen said:
Reading about it makes it seems so wild. He went through so much effort to concoct a backstory for the 21 Savage character. You have to wonder at some point if he didn't start to think that he really did come from Atlanta? I wonder how many of his close friends knew that it was a put on and just went along with it to maintain the facade?

He gave multiple interviews about his upbringing, citing events in and around the city of Atlanta. Shit was incredibly well thought out. I am surprised no one has come out and been like I don't remember this dude from back in the day.

Dude was 12, it's not as if he would have been active on the streets before then anyway.

Deleted member 17092 · Feb 4, 2019

SlothmanAllen said:
Reading about it makes it seems so wild. He went through so much effort to concoct a backstory for the 21 Savage character. You have to wonder at some point if he didn't start to think that he really did come from Atlanta? I wonder how many of his close friends knew that it was a put on and just went along with it to maintain the facade?

He gave multiple interviews about his upbringing, citing events in and around the city of Atlanta. Shit was incredibly well thought out. I am surprised no one has come out and been like I don't remember this dude from back in the day.

How much do you remember from before you were 12? If you moved somewhere when you were 12 and had lived there since if someone asked where you were from most people would just say wherever they moved to. It's kind of irrelevant to say, well I moved here from the UK when I was 12. It'd be like ok mate cool, but it's basically a little detail with absolutely no relevance to a conversation.

It's not a fabrication for him to say he's from and grew up in Atlanta. Like even if you moved to a different state at 12, and now you're 25-30 years old and have been living in the same state for the last 15 or so years, you wouldn't say I'm from the state I was only in until age 12. It's not relevant. I guess if someone directly asks you where you were born, but who does that and why do they care where you were born and not what you identify with for the majority of your life?

riotous · Feb 4, 2019

I remember a lot from before I was 12, that's pretty damn odd to think you wouldn't lol

Not saying it makes him a liar, he immediately got into gangs when he moved to Atlanta and that's what his raps are about. But I doubt he "forgot" where he was from, he probably literally hid it because... well.. look at what is happening now, he is here illegaly so he couldn't bring it up. But to say you are "from" a place you moved to at 12/13 is definitely.. not true.

I wonder if anyone else in the rap game knows, it's possible that he's confided this to some of his friends.

marrec · Feb 4, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
How much do you remember from before you were 12? If you moved somewhere when you were 12 and had lived there since if someone asked where you were from most people would just say wherever they moved to. It's kind of irrelevant to say, well I moved here from the UK when I was 12. It'd be like ok mate cool, but it's basically a little detail with absolutely no relevance to a conversation.

It's not a fabrication for him to say he's from and grew up in Atlanta. Like even if you moved to a different state at 12, and now you're 25-30 years old and have been living in the same state for the last 15 or so years, you wouldn't say I'm from the state I was only in until age 12. It's not relevant.

I lived in one town till I was 10 or 11 but I never say I'm from that town. I still remember quite a bit that happened in that town but I'd never claim any kind of tie to it, I grew up somewhere else.

Dark_EMT · Feb 4, 2019

base_two said:
Guidelines
You may request DACA if you:

Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;

Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;

Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;

Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;

Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012;

Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and

Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor,or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.

You're absolutely right.

It's sad that he was dumb enough to not take advantage of DACA.

D23 · Feb 4, 2019

He should've apply for DACA

MazeHaze · Feb 4, 2019

Dark_EMT said:
It's sad that he was dumb enough to not take advantage of DACA.

D23 said:
He should've apply for DACA

He is not elligible for DACA as a convicted felon.

marrec · Feb 4, 2019

Dark_EMT said:
It's sad that he was dumb enough to not take advantage of DACA.

Man fuck this victim shaming lol

Deleted member 17092 · Feb 4, 2019

marrec said:
I lived in one town till I was 10 or 11 but I never say I'm from that town. I still remember quite a bit that happened in that town but I'd never claim any kind of tie to it, I grew up somewhere else.

Right, I grew up in a small town, but I've been in the twin cities since I was 17. If people ask where I'm from I say Minneapolis, as that's where I live and it's more relevant, and there's more to talk about, because most people don't know where the small town is and there really isn't much to say about it.

Arttemis · Feb 4, 2019

riotous said:
I remember a lot from before I was 12, that's pretty damn odd to think you wouldn't lol

Not saying it makes him a liar, he immediately got into gangs when he moved to Atlanta and that's what his raps are about. But I doubt he "forgot" where he was from, he probably literally hid it because... well.. look at what is happening now, he is here illegaly so he couldn't bring it up. But to say you are "from" a place you moved to at 12/13 is definitely.. not true.

I wonder if anyone else in the rap game knows, it's possible that he's confided this to some of his friends.

This is pedantic, frivolous nonsense.

D23 · Feb 4, 2019

MazeHaze said:
He is not elligible for DACA as a convicted felon.

I know its too late now-

riotous · Feb 4, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
Right, I grew up in a small town, but I've been in the twin cities since I was 17. If people ask where I'm from I say Minneapolis, as that's where I live and it's more relevant, and there's more to talk about, because most people don't know where the small town is and there really isn't much to say about it.

I think you guys are pointlessly trying to stretch this in a weird way; he hid it because he's here illegaly not because it's normal to completly ignore that you come from a different country or city.

If you tell people you are from Minneapolis, that is kind of strange dude lol

riotous · Feb 4, 2019

Arttemis said:
This is pedantic, frivolous nonsense.

What? Like seriously.. what the fuck do these words mean as a response to my post?

Arttemis · Feb 4, 2019

riotous said:
What?

He spent most of his life in Atlanta, including the entirety of his adolescence. Claiming someone is 'wrong' for saying that's where he's from is the most needlessly pointless argument I've ever heard. Everything he is can be attributed to the in which he spent the majority of his life.

riotous · Feb 4, 2019

Arttemis said:
Claiming someone is 'wrong' for saying that's where he's from is the most needlessly pointless argument I've ever heard.

It's what the words mean... but OK. Continue to be dramatic as hell about nothing.

The most "needlessly pointless argument" you've ever heard? LOL

Arttemis said:
Everything he is can be attributed to the in which he spent the majority of his life.

And how the hell do you know this?

How do you know 21 Savage doesn't consider the first 12 years of his life, living in a different country as "part of who he is"?

Man what a damn stretch. I outright said that what he raps about is generally true and that I wouldn't call him a liar.... my only point was he has a reason for hiding where he is ACTUALLY FROM. Ya'll are acting like I am siding with the ICE bullshit about his fake persona.

And he was 20 when he started rapping; he was not here the majority of his life at that point.

skullmuffins · Feb 4, 2019

DOT_mjo said:
We need to clarify that we are talking about Dominica and not like London town.

are we? the daily mail (yeah, I know) claims they got a copy of his birth certificate and according to it, not only was he born in london, but both his parents were, too.
https://i./1s/2019/02/04/13/9370384-6663565-image-a-25_1549287077499.jpg

Deleted member 17092 · Feb 4, 2019

riotous said:
I think you guys are pointlessly trying to stretch this in a weird way; he hid it because he's here illegaly not because it's normal to completly ignore that you come from a different country or city.

If you tell people you are from Minneapolis, that is kind of strange dude lol

You're not the arbiter of strange and I don't really care what you think dude lol. Where am I from? Oh that's right the place I've lived for the last 13 years.

Dark_EMT · Feb 4, 2019

MazeHaze said:
He is not elligible for DACA as a convicted felon.

I stated that in my first comment....

ICE has arrested 21 Savage and are claiming he’s “unlawfully in the U.S.”

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