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I think it's time for Sony and Marvel to negotiate a new deal

Alo0oy

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This isn't a Venom hate thread, but I think Sony is really terrible at making superhero movies right now, and I don't think any executive at Sony would be stupid enough to give up the rights to Spider-Man.

However, Sony animation seem to know what they're doing, so I think Marvel and Sony can work out a deal where Marvel gets the film rights back from Sony, but they can allow Sony to do CGI films in vein of into the Spider-verse for other Marvel characters. Everybody wins in the scenario, Marvel gets control back for all the Spidey characters for the MCU, we no longer have to endure yet another butchered SM character, and we get to see other Marvel characters get the big budget CGI treatment. Animation is where Marvel is seriously behind DC right now, so that would help their brand in that market as well.

This is obviously a hypothetical and very unlikely scenario, but it makes sense for all parties involved IMO. I know CGI films probably won't make Sony as much money per film as their live action SM spinoffs, but they'll have access to more characters.
 
BWoog

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Spider-Man is like the only thing Sony has left that is going right for them, they'll hold onto it for dear life minus a complete buyout.
 
Slayven

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Marvel the only thing of real value.

But I would fuck with an Annex movie, don't know if Sony has the rights to him or not
 
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Alo0oy

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BWoog said:
Spider-Man is like the only thing Sony has left that is going right for them, they'll hold onto it for dear life minus a complete buyout.
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That's why I suggested Marvel could allow them to do CGI films of other Marvel characters, while those likely won't be making ~$800m, they can probably bring in half of that, safe and steady and they can release multiple per year.
 
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Marvel gets Paste-Pot-Pete. Sony gets the X-Men once the Fox deal is done.

I think that would be a fair trade.
 
NinjaScooter

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There's too many dealings and details involved behind the scenes to really even have a discussion on this.
 
Cipher Peon

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All I want is Venom and Enter the Spider-Verse to be canon into the MCU!
I want to see Hardy as Venom kill Holland's Spidey :o
 
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kadotsu said:
Sony should keep Spiderman forever because fuck monopolies.
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Marvel OWNS Spider-Man, though! He's like, their signature masthead character, their Mickey Mouse or Mario. If we were talking about them acquiring DC characters or something, I'd I agree then.
 
HeartlessNobody2134

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Never gonna happen unless Sony gets bought out.

Spidey is one of the few major IP's Sony has left.

I don't think Venom will be all that great but it is what it is.

Also, monopoly talk in this thread? Seriously?
 
Jessie

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Sony will never give up Spider-Man. It's their only AAA franchise. Which is sad.
 
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Alo0oy said:
That's why I suggested Marvel could allow them to do CGI films of other Marvel characters, while those likely won't be making ~$800m, they can probably bring in half of that, safe and steady and they can release multiple per year.
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The executive who decides to do this would be fired the moment they propose it. What kind of business sense does this make for Sony? Even the Amazing Spider-Man films made north of 700M. Also, the regular joe reaction to the venom trailers aren't at all inline with what people are saying online.
 
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Alo0oy

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If Into the Spider-verse does well, I think Sony might consider such an offer if Marvel is willing. Especially if Venom underperforms.
 
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Omnipotent said:
Nontheless characters you created.
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DC still owns Outburst
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I hope not, venom looks dope and the trailers are doing crazy numbers. Also into the spider verse looks good too so Sony can keep going.

Spider-Man can stay with Sony just because I think they need the cash for the film division. I'd hate to see another movie studio be bought out because they lacked a franchise to keep things going.

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Sony will never give up Spider-Man. It's their only AAA franchise. Which is sad.
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Jumanji made near a billion, I'd say it's a big deal.
 
NinjaScooter

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I'm not understanding why they should alter the deal. It seems to a win for all parties involved, both creatively and financially. I'm sure Sony could just make individual deals for animated films if they wanted to.
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Because people want Spiderman fully in the MCU. Which is fine, but lets not pretend we have anyway of actually knowing if some random internet hypothetical makes any financial sense for Sony at all. The Spiderman movie IP is incredibly lucrative. Even the two Amazing movies pulled in $700+ million worldwide.
 
LiquidSolid

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Alo0oy said:
This is obviously a hypothetical and very unlikely scenario, but it makes sense for all parties involved IMO. I know CGI films probably won't make Sony as much money per film as their live action SM spinoffs, but they'll have access to more characters.
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You literally just pointed out why it doesn't make any sense at all, OP.
 
Aprikurt

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Don't theorise about fictional deals, be concerned that the very limited deal Sony made with Marvel is nearing its end. Far From Home is the last planned movie in the Sony/Marvel deal as of now. Maybe a third in a trilogy. We could lose Spidey in the MCU if Sony get greedy.
 
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Alo0oy

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LiquidSolid said:
You literally just pointed out why it doesn't make any sense at all, OP.
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How so? If Sony can release CGI films of Iron Man, Cap, Black Panther, & X-Men they can make up all the money they would potentially make from Venom, Silk, Morbius..etc. They have one of the best animation teams in the industry vs one of the worst live action teams. This would allow them to lean on their strength.
 
NinjaScooter

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Alo0oy said:
How so? If Sony can release CGI films of Iron Man, Cap, Black Panther, & X-Men they can make up all the money they would potentially make from Venom, Silk, Morbius..etc. They have one of the best animation teams in the industry vs one of the worst live action teams. This would allow them to lean on their strength.
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You are discounting the money they would lose from no longer being able to produce live action Spiderman films, which make bank.
 
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Interesting idea but Sony would have to go all out with it and make a multi film per year cinematic universe thing to make it worthwhile, otherwise an animated Spider-Man movie every other year would probably suffice without requiring other Marvel characters. Assuming the first one is a hit of course.
The other thing is, do Marvel even want to make more solo Spider-Man movies after the first three? I don't know what the deal is for keeping him in other ensemble appearances, does anyone?
 
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Dennis8K said:
Home-Coming was successful and is getting a sequel.

Venom looks like it will be fun and the trailer got a lot of online play.

I am not seeing your point.
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Homecoming is not a Sony movie. It was completely done by Marvel Films and they just add the Sony name to it, sharing the profits.

Venon does not look on the same level, it will be pretty forgettable.
 
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Alo0oy

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NinjaScooter said:
You are discounting the money they would lose from no longer being able to produce live action Spiderman films, which make bank.
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True, the deal would probably be more complicated than a straight up trade, but I'm sure Marvel has enough to sweeten the deal.

We obviously cannot hypothesize all the details for a deal of this magnitude, but I think it's workable, maybe allow Sony to keep all the revenue from the mainline Spidey films, but a ban on non-Marvel produced Spidey films. In this case, the CGI films can cover the opportunity lost from the Spinoffs.
 
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