I wonder how MJ would have turned out if Joe Jackson was not in the picture. Such a monstrous man.
R Kelly, Chris Brown, six nine and some white rock bands that I can't recall.
I don't feel like this line of thinking holds up under scrutiny. Being dead doesn't make what he did any less horrific. He also has an estate, which still earns money from his career accomplishments.
People can listen to them if they want - no judgment here. I just don't think him being dead or alive has shit all to do with whether listening to his music is okay or not.
You begrudge his children for his crimes? Sins of the father or something? I think there are situations where that argument fails -- ie, if you don't want to expose people to the music of a pedophile or elevate his popular status but if you just don't want to support him it seems like a relevant fact to me
At 'best' he abused children, at worst he raped them. So no, he's a disgusting fuck whose reputation deserves to forever be associated with the vile shit he inflicted onto others.Isnt MJ innocent ?What You Should Know About the New Michael Jackson Documentary
Recent allegations against the pop icon are disturbing. But do they hold up to scrutiny?www.forbes.com
I havent seen the new documentary but it is another set of allegations wo new evidence. Just because it is emotionally charged doesnt mean it is true???
Where is the proof he abused children ?At 'best' he abused children, at worst he raped them. So no, he's a disgusting fuck whose reputation deserves to forever be associated with the vile shit he inflicted onto others.
I'm not going to get into this with some dumb fuck troll.
Where is your evidence that "almost certainly engaged in illegal behavior"Michael Jackson was a very disturbed man who never got the help he needed.
Michael Jackson almost certainly engaged in behavior that is illegal if not amoral and possibly worse.
Michael Jackson left a trail of victims in his wake, intentionally or not.
Michael Jackson's music was an integral part of my childhood and I still love listening to it.
All of these things can be true.
Wtf is this? It's trolling for asking where evidence is? You have to remember there are other people who are famous that grew up around Micheal who swear up and down he was not an abuser.
I'm guessing a lot of people who are famous in the music world were scumbags in their daysAt this point, I think people should just enjoy the media they want to enjoy. You can enjoy something and still admit that the person behind it is a piece of shit, and not believe the same shit they do.
It's trolling to wander into a thread waving a random Forbes article, admit you haven't watched the documentary around the victims, deny it could be true and then ask for the proof you just admitted you couldn't be bothered to watch.Wtf is this? It's trolling for asking where evidence is? You have to remember there are other people who are famous that grew up around Micheal who swear up and down he was not an abuser.
Some of these people are still alive and I'm not trying to line their pockets if I can help it. They have agendas that are being funded by the money you give them. I'm not saying I do some sort of background check on every piece of media I consume but I will ex creators off my list if they act a fool like Mel Gibson for instance.At this point, I think people should just enjoy the media they want to enjoy. You can enjoy something and still admit that the person behind it is a piece of shit, and not believe the same shit they do.
That's not what he's sayingKendrick straight up says that he doesn't believe the allegations on the closing track of To Pimp a Butterfly.
Where there's smoke there's fire and there was a lot of smoke my man.Where is your evidence that "almost certainly engaged in illegal behavior"
But wasn't there also some shananigans with some of the families doing accusing? I honestly haven't kept up with any of this since the 90'sWhere there's smoke there's fire and there was a lot of smoke my man.
But wasn't there also some shananigans with some of the families doing accusing? I honestly haven't kept up with any of this since the 90's
There's genuinely something fascinating about how fan worship lets people bend backwards shamelessly lol. Taking into account that dude factually used his star status for the sake of having innappropiate relationships with children, the debate is ultimately whether or not one thinks a grown, sane man was justified in those actions. I wish people would just argue from that point instead of (hopefully) pretending like they're okay with adults getting intimate with kids in general, but alas, some folk need something to believe in nonsensicallyWe know for a fact he slept in his bed with young boys and had a security system to alert him if anybody was approaching his bedroom how much smoke do you need? Be honest with yourself and ask if anyone not named Michael Jackson who was accused by children of abusing them would be getting this same Peter Pan bullshit benefit of the doubt based on these two facts alone?
You are delusional or uninformed. There is no doubt MJ sexually assaulted children at this point.I don't believe MJ sexually abused children. I believe he had a non-existent childhood and wanted to relive it in adulthood and was enabled to do it for whatever reason. But certain lines were not crossed.
As to whether I'd listen to his music if I thought he was doing those things...yeah, probably. I don't really think of the person when I hear a song, honestly. Different story for actors who I see when consuming their work. It's weird.
So the men abused by MJ in the Leaving Neverlands documentary are actually liars, awesome.I don't believe MJ sexually abused children. I believe he had a non-existent childhood and wanted to relive it in adulthood and was enabled to do it for whatever reason. But certain lines were not crossed.
As to whether I'd listen to his music if I thought he was doing those things...yeah, probably. I don't really think of the person when I hear a song, honestly. Different story for actors who I see when consuming their work. It's weird.
There are very few people I could imagine having this level of good will maintained in spite of all the smoke surrounding him.It's hard to believe the everyone involved were just fake-crying on camera. Ive seen people claim its "all for attention" and that requires a serious detachment from not only the human experience but also the evidence suggesting this is plausible. You're also suggesting these people are all incredible actors.
MJ's upbringing being rough, or he "didn't have a childhood" isn't the dismissal of accusations you think it is, its more in line with how abuse tends to foster more abuse.
Celebrities are exposed for being abusive all the time, but Michael Jackson for some reason has the most disproportionate amount of people defending him than any other I can think of.
There are very few people I could imagine having this level of good will maintained in spite of all the smoke surrounding him.
Celebrities are exposed for being abusive all the time, but Michael Jackson for some reason has the most disproportionate amount of people defending him than any other I can think of.
I believe he was an abuser, and is guilty of at least inappropriately touching children, and maybe even of much worse. But, given every candid interview I have seen of the man, he was clearly mentally abnormal. He absolutely had what might be called Peter Pan syndrome (and certainly made no secret of his love for the character), and this goes some way toward supporting the argument that what he did to children he did from a place of cognitive innocence and indeed what he believed to be "love". Certainly, he would not have looked back on what he did as malicious. But, was he aware of what he was doing; of abusing his position of power both as an adult and a famous and wealthy adult, and potentially causing lifelong mental scarring to these children? Maybe. Maybe not. Regardless, I feel for those who were damaged by his actions. But I do not see any need to hate MJ personally, or perceive him as a "monster" for this reason.
Intentions and cognitive health matter in how we marshal emotions such as hatred and disgust toward other people, and I think if we can admit an abuser did not choose his fate, we can hate their actions and the consequences of their actions without necessarily hating them personally. Meanwhile, we can still muster just as much sympathy and support for the victims without ever doubting their claims.