Being a gaming enthusiast means more than being obsessed with resolution and framerate to the point of becoming a condescendent gatekeeper.
If they were actually enthusiastic they would just solve their problems by buying a computer. But that suggestion is met with hostility because they just want to complain on the internet and not actually fix it.
I would call this more a hot-takes site than an enthusiast site. Regardless, I would say most enthusiasts still have self-awareness.
It doesn't matter if it's a "meme" post, my point stands.I mean if you quote my one meme post instead of the many others where I laid down my arguments it's super easy to make me look bad.
So OP being generally condescending and treating anyone who doesn't demand 60 fps as simpletons who don't know better is fine, but making jokes isn't. Ok.
You can come up with all the reasons you want, but it won't change that I will not stop buying Nintendo consoles and games.I would argue that, historically, Nintendo develops games for the hardware they have in their hands, BOTW is not exception, it was developed for Wii U, a machine where every complex game was a 720p game, and they treat framerate as a design decision. Zelda is a 30 fps IP, that's all that there's to it.
People like yourself are being far more of a "condescendent gatekeeper" than OP is. It should be okay to speak about preferences on technical aspects without all this bullshit.
You can come up with all the reasons you want, but it won't change that I will not stop buying Nintendo consoles and games.
BotW doesn't run stable and it looks blurry, that's the point of this topic, and also this:
this is it, this is the best post.You can come up with all the reasons you want, but it won't change that I will not stop buying Nintendo consoles and games.
Huh? You won't see me bash anyone for preferring <=60fps and 4K as their preferred framerate and resolution. You will, however, see me bash anyone who dares to speak about standards and/or tell me that because i tolerate 30fps and sub1080 resolutions i am holding the medium back.
OP hasn't expressed their opinion in the OP in a way that deserves the type of comments I quoited.So OP being generally condescending and treating anyone who doesn't demand 60 fps as simpletons who don't know better is fine, but making jokes isn't. Ok.
Yeah, he has. He has basically said that if you like a 30 fps game you have not standards. Read the thread.OP hasn't expressed their opinion in the OP in a way that deserves the type of comments I quoited.
If you honestly can't see that then you're just as bad as anything you're trying to call out.
This. Why this thread is six pages long?
I'm not doing this. Especially since derailing threads to have arguments with people is like your whole thing.OP hasn't expressed their opinion in the OP in a way that deserves the type of comments I quoited.
If you honestly can't see that then you're just as bad as anything you're trying to call out.
OP hasn't expressed their opinion in the OP in a way that deserves the type of comments I quoited.
If you honestly can't see that then you're just as bad as anything you're trying to call out.
If everyone had kept this "It's good enough!" mindset, we wouldn't play in 3D or Dolby Atmos now. We wouldn't play anything. We would still ride horses instead of cars. The problem is not people expecting more, it's people expecting less and being ok with it.
No, my "thing" here is calling out people who are trying to act above the very thing they are doing.I'm not doing this. Especially since derailing threads to have arguments with people is like your whole thing.
Thank you for your example of the endless excuses that occur when a solution is presented and you want to continue complaining about the problem instead of actually fixing it.Cool let me know when BOTW is on PC without exploiting your Switch system or dloading a ROM.
How the heck did some of you manage to play games at all before the 2010s?
And what am I doing, exactly?No, my "thing" here is calling out people who are trying to act above the very thing they are doing.
If you don't have the self-awareness here that is not on me.
I think you should start by not assuming the discussion around performance is being had in bad faith. I assure you that I like video games. I don't think that the demand is artificial, we're just naturally going to be looking toward the next ways gaming can improve and load times/performance issues have been particularly egregious these last few gens.
As to your second point, I genuinely believed Nintendo got crept on quickly with the rise of the SSDs. There are a lot of obvious ways BOTW could have been improved with it and I think developers having less technical constraints to worry about between them and their visions is a good thing.
The OP is phrased in sort of a baity way that I think muddles the true point being made here, but a lot of the replies probably would have been the same anyway since Nintendo fans always get cagey when the obvious technical constraints of their hardware come up.
Looked over it, but nope. Everything is the way it should be.
Whats a ridiculous take lol.That's Nintendo for you. They keep making games for hardware that isn't doing their work justice.
Yeah, he has. He has basically said that if you like a 30 fps game you have not standards. Read the thread.
I said in the OP, and since the OP people came in and helped set that tone. It could have gone a different way without it.
Surprise: Nobody likes elitist people who pick on others for not having the same standards.OP hasn't expressed their opinion in the OP in a way that deserves the type of comments I quoited.
If you honestly can't see that then you're just as bad as anything you're trying to call out.
It seems to be your "thing" that you just can't take a step back for a second.
Which is EXACTLY the kind of posts OP got before they even took that tone with people.Surprise: Nobody likes elitist people who pick on others for not having the same standards.
It is though, the guy as a history of obsessing with performance to a ridiculous degree, like "if is not 60fps its shit and if you like it you have no standards" ridiculousYou went through OP's post history and thought this was good enough to post as some kind of gotcha?
I made a dumb joke after like 10 serious posts laying down my position on the issue.It seems to be your "thing" that you just can't take a step back for a second.
Let's leave it.
The problem is that this topic does not exist in a vacuum and users already know each other.It seems to be your "thing" that you just can't take a step back for a second.
Let's leave it.
Which is EXACTLY the kind of posts OP got before they even took that tone with people.
I said in the OP, and since the OP people came in and helped set that tone. It could have gone a different way without it.
Look at the OP, read up to the frist reply, the thread is full of nonsense mocking OP. You can't have a go at them and then join in on it all and have any weight behind your point.
You honestly can't take a small piece of criticism without getting this defensive?I made a dumb joke after like 10 serious posts laying down my position on the issue.
You're giving me shit over it since half a page ago when not even OP cared.
Obviously I'm the one who has a problem.
I personally don't see anything wrong in the OP, and I see many posts before they replied again that set a shitty tone.It is though, the guy as a history of obsessing with performance to a ridiculous degree, like "if is not 60fps its shit" ridiculous
This is fucking rich coming from you.You honestly can't take a small piece of criticism without getting this defensive?
Another excellent example is Fire Emblem Three Houses - this game is a technical mess and was basically outdated on the day it released. The worst thing is, reviews mostly ignored that and scored it into the 90s. If the new James Bond movie released with blurry image or compressed audio quality, do you think reviews would praise it anyway? No. Movie critics would tear the film apart. Movies have established a baseline for certain technical standards they are expected to meet, which also helps in terms of futureproofing. I wish there was something similar for games. The only thing I can remember is Sony saying no game releasing on PSVR is ever allowed to drop frames below 120fps - or else it won't get released.
LOLYou honestly can't take a small piece of criticism without getting this defensive?
This is a fair point, I think it's also fair to say the issue I describe is rife on this site.The problem is that this topic does not exist in a vacuum and users already know each other.
Look through my post history, when I take criticism I almost always acknowledge it and very often apologise and take the hit. Feel free to take a browse.