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I knew someone would run in here with "it's easy for me!!!" but didn't know it would be the very first post, lolKing Allant is easy if you've played Dark Souls first. He's basically Ornstein without Smough.
Congratulations!
I usually leave King Allant until the end. He fits the end boss role perfectly once you finish every world.
I feel like everyone's first Souls game has this moment, for me it was Bloodborne and the Blood-Starved Beast. Everything after that can still be challenging and frustrating, but once you've broken through that barrier everything else seems a little less scary. Like Neo seeing the code of the matrix, haha.Sorry for not posting this in the OT, but I wanted to share this particular experience. I've played most of Froms Souls games, I killed a few bosses in Dark Souls III, Bloodborne and Sekiro - but there was always a breaking point, a place where I gave up because it was just too hard. I made a thread on this forum where I argued Souls games need difficulty levels - you can find it and see me ranting. I actually never planned on playing another Souls game - but the remake of Demon's Souls and the fact a new generation is here - got me to play it again.
And it was tough playing this game. It's actually not the difficulty itself, it's a psychological thing for me, there is something in that mechanic where you have to reach the boss after dying (and potentially loosing souls) and in every fight I have this fear of dying again and having to do a run all over again (which in my case actually means being more tired, impatient and worse at it). Well, with King Allant - it's even worse than that. It's horrible, actually. I'm sure if you're reading this thread you know he has this mechanic where he de-levels you with an attack, erasing hours of gameplay and leveling. Dying multiple times in this fight may mean loosing hours and hours of gameplay (at least for me).
I knew of this mechanic when I got into the fight. I didn't invest anything in magic, and almost every video I watched used some kind of magic. I went in just with my Dragon Bone Smasher, a lot of grass and courage. You can imagine my heart pounding when I entered the chamber. I could literally feel it beating. After a brief fight - he defeated me and de-leveled me. I feld really bad. I thought no game is worth this.
But here's the thing. Earlier in this game - I was about to quit entirely because of one boss - the Flamelurker. I vented in the OT and people like Sanctuary and Morrigan gave me some good advice. And then there was Finale Fireworker - their help was on a different level. Fireworker gifted me a month of PS+ just to be able to help me - and I refused initially, I just didn't feel like spending anyone's money for this (I can easily afford it but I just didn't want to do it for just one game as I don't need anything else and rarely play multiplayer) - but they insisted - as a gift for pushing on in a hard game. I was honestly moved by this and I accepted. Fireworker gave me advice and helped me gain a lot of souls by letting me kill them in an invasion in order to help. I was really touched by this and the response of this community, that I pressed on. So I killed Flamelurker, then the Dragon God. I killed Maneater and Old Monk. I killed Penetrator. I just kept pushing on - as tough as it was. I meant what I said that I was touched by the help I received and felt I needed to go on.
So this is the reason I tried again with King Allant - even after this fight where I lost a level, even after I got even more frightened to try again. You can't possibly imagine the level of anxiety this gave me. I tried again and he killed me again. Then I tried once more - he de-leveled me again and killed me. Fuck this shit. And then I tried again.
....
And I did it. I killed the old fuck. I fucking did it.
I yelled in excitement - so much that my wife thought I was crazy. I don't think I've ever felt this way about a game.
And yes, I know - there is this NG+ thing and for a lot of you this was probably a simple fight - and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a much greater challenge later in this game. But for someone who gave up after a few bosses in all those games before because of fear and anxiety - this was an insane challenge and I did it. And I did it by staying calm, telling myself that I can do it, by dodging and hitting with a big sword, then staying calm and telling myself I can do it, then hitting again and dodging again and trying to keep calm in what seemed the longest boss fight in any game I played (while in reality, it wasn't that long, of course). And I did it.
Now, I don't know what awaits me further in this game. I don't know if I'll be able to finish Demon's Souls. Even though I've cleared first three worlds, I haven't beaten any of the bosses in worlds 4 and 5. I'm sure someone will say "you think Allant was tough? Cute. Wait until you see the Eternal Voidslurper in 4-4!" or something like that. But still, I have this fight.
And it feels good. It feels really good.
Thanks to everyone who helped. You are true demon slayers.
Demon's Souls is my first Souls game, and I just beat my first real boss (Armored Spider) for the first time last night, after like 4 back to back attempts. With each attempt I learned something or was inspired to try something new.Congratulations! That "holy shit why am I doing this to myself and - FUCK YOU THING THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST I AM YOUR GOD NOW" feeling is amazing and I cherish it dearly. I'm glad you got to experience it!
Everything after that can still be challenging and frustrating, but once you've broken through that barrier everything else seems a little less scary. Like Neo seeing the code of the matrix, haha.
Yeah I can see your point. Her part feels really effective compared to every other demon.Congrats OP!
I'm torn between leaving him for last or Maiden Astræa. She's got that end-game vibe going for her as well.
I would say Demon's Souls is the most frustrating out of all souls games because in ever other souls game the boss battle is at most 1 minute away from the bonfire but not in Demon's Souls. You have to get past hoards of enemies to reach most of the bosses.
Do you just lose one level from a random stat or is it worse than that?
And then there was Finale Fireworker - their help was on a different level. Fireworker gifted me a month of PS+ just to be able to help me - and I refused initially, I just didn't feel like spending anyone's money for this (I can easily afford it but I just didn't want to do it for just one game as I don't need anything else and rarely play multiplayer) - but they insisted
I feel like everyone's first Souls game has this moment, for me it was Bloodborne and the Blood-Starved Beast. Everything after that can still be challenging and frustrating, but once you've broken through that barrier everything else seems a little less scary. Like Neo seeing the code of the matrix, haha.
I knew someone would run in here with "it's easy for me!!!" but didn't know it would be the very first post, lol
Congratulations on the personal victory OP! Did you explain it to your wife? It is what made us all fall in love of the gameplay, at least why I did.
lol, I'd have probably done something like that too (I'm a big fan of cheesing shit when I can figure out how), but I decided before I even bought DS, that I wanted my first playthrough to be some kind of gimmick playthrough. Not something stupidly difficult or anything like that... just a playthrough with some self-imposed limitations that might force me to get creative and explore more of the options available to me.Congrats! Now I feel bad for just killing it with arrows from a safe distance. :) I found a place where I could literally hide from its attacks, then go out, shoot a few arrows - and repeat. Turned out this was a known cheesing method. This was the only boss I defeated this way. Well, that and the Blue Dragon, if you count that as a boss.
Don't be a cunt. My mans did it through grit even though this isn't his type of game. You're trying to take away from his accomplishment.King Allant is easy if you've played Dark Souls first. He's basically Ornstein without Smough.
I didn't understand demon souls. Even tho I beat DS2&3 and BB. So I overleveled to beat the flame lurker and accidentally made the rest of the game a cake walk. Glad you beat him, think I had the same feeling beating flame lurker.
But I think allant even at power level 9001 is pretty flowchart. Very fun, quite enjoyed it.
To be honest, Flamelurker is the wall of the game. If you can beat him, mechanically, nothing can stop you after that. It doesn't help that right after him you can get one of the best spells in the entire series and was probably the sole inspiration for trying to nerf magic for Dark Souls.
Many bosses in it seem to be easy compared to later games so for a person who hits walls in any other FROM games this should be doable for most the hardest boss for me thus far i still died less than the easiest souls boss aside from something like pinwheel.King Allant is easy if you've played Dark Souls first. He's basically Ornstein without Smough.
I think this is the intention given all of the other final bosses checkpoints are right at the boss door.Congratulations!
I usually leave King Allant until the end. He fits the end boss role perfectly once you finish every world.
I only had the big sword which I put in both hands and dodged his attacks. I'm sure there is an easier way to do it.
Do you just lose one level from a random stat or is it worse than that?
Except Vitality, IIRC. This one can never be de-levelled.The stat you lose 1 to is the stat you've raised furthest from your character's base stat levels.
That great feeling you had while writing this statement about overcoming insurmountable odds is the unrelenting feeling that most Souls players are searching for while playing a souls game. It's the reason why we argue against a difficulty option in the settings, and it's the reason why other games simply don't cut it for us anymore, at least in the mechanics department. You have just overcome your first FromSoft mountain, welcome to the club.Sorry for not posting this in the OT, but I wanted to share this particular experience. I've played most of Froms Souls games, I killed a few bosses in Dark Souls III, Bloodborne and Sekiro - but there was always a breaking point, a place where I gave up because it was just too hard. I made a thread on this forum where I argued Souls games need difficulty levels - you can find it and see me ranting. I actually never planned on playing another Souls game - but the remake of Demon's Souls and the fact a new generation is here - got me to play it again.
And it was tough playing this game. It's actually not the difficulty itself, it's a psychological thing for me, there is something in that mechanic where you have to reach the boss after dying (and potentially loosing souls) and in every fight I have this fear of dying again and having to do a run all over again (which in my case actually means being more tired, impatient and worse at it). Well, with King Allant - it's even worse than that. It's horrible, actually. I'm sure if you're reading this thread you know he has this mechanic where he de-levels you with an attack, erasing hours of gameplay and leveling. Dying multiple times in this fight may mean loosing hours and hours of gameplay (at least for me).
I knew of this mechanic when I got into the fight. I didn't invest anything in magic, and almost every video I watched used some kind of magic. I went in just with my Dragon Bone Smasher, a lot of grass and courage. You can imagine my heart pounding when I entered the chamber. I could literally feel it beating. After a brief fight - he defeated me and de-leveled me. I feld really bad. I thought no game is worth this.
But here's the thing. Earlier in this game - I was about to quit entirely because of one boss - the Flamelurker. I vented in the OT and people like Sanctuary and Morrigan gave me some good advice. And then there was Finale Fireworker - their help was on a different level. Fireworker gifted me a month of PS+ just to be able to help me - and I refused initially, I just didn't feel like spending anyone's money for this (I can easily afford it but I just didn't want to do it for just one game as I don't need anything else and rarely play multiplayer) - but they insisted - as a gift for pushing on in a hard game. I was honestly moved by this and I accepted. Fireworker gave me advice and helped me gain a lot of souls by letting me kill them in an invasion in order to help. I was really touched by this and the response of this community, that I pressed on. So I killed Flamelurker, then the Dragon God. I killed Maneater and Old Monk. I killed Penetrator. I just kept pushing on - as tough as it was. I meant what I said that I was touched by the help I received and felt I needed to go on.
So this is the reason I tried again with King Allant - even after this fight where I lost a level, even after I got even more frightened to try again. You can't possibly imagine the level of anxiety this gave me. I tried again and he killed me again. Then I tried once more - he de-leveled me again and killed me. Fuck this shit. And then I tried again.
....
And I did it. I killed the old fuck. I fucking did it.
I yelled in excitement - so much that my wife thought I was crazy. I don't think I've ever felt this way about a game.
And yes, I know - there is this NG+ thing and for a lot of you this was probably a simple fight - and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a much greater challenge later in this game. But for someone who gave up after a few bosses in all those games before because of fear and anxiety - this was an insane challenge and I did it. And I did it by staying calm, telling myself that I can do it, by dodging and hitting with a big sword, then staying calm and telling myself I can do it, then hitting again and dodging again and trying to keep calm in what seemed the longest boss fight in any game I played (while in reality, it wasn't that long, of course). And I did it.
Now, I don't know what awaits me further in this game. I don't know if I'll be able to finish Demon's Souls. Even though I've cleared first three worlds, I haven't beaten any of the bosses in worlds 4 and 5. I'm sure someone will say "you think Allant was tough? Cute. Wait until you see the Eternal Voidslurper in 4-4!" or something like that. But still, I have this fight.
And it feels good. It feels really good.
Thanks to everyone who helped. You are true demon slayers.
That was my "I don't think I'm going to beat this game" point. After that game is weirdly "easy" in comparison
That great feeling you had while writing this statement about overcoming insurmountable odds is the unrelenting feeling that most Souls players are searching for while playing a souls game. It's the reason why we argue against a difficulty option in the settings, and it's the reason why other games simply don't cut it for us anymore, at least in the mechanics department. You have just overcome your first FromSoft mountain, welcome to the club.
Weirdly enough I beat him in maybe three or four attempts. Flamelurker was so hard it almost made me quit the game and Old Hero was super frustrating