Oh my god, how criminal is to maintain the value of the product for some years when such products sell for years in such price.
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I bought a switch and everything game costs crazy money.
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Oh my god, how criminal is to maintain the value of the product for some years when such products sell for years in such price.
Comparing God of War to Botw sales in the first month? Yeah that's fair /s
But to your other point yes God of War is continuing to sell. And how much does it cost today? $60. Why? BECAUSE IT'S CONTINUING TO SELL! See how simple that is.
Botw is still selling amazingly well a year and a half after launch. Why would Nintendo lower the price?
And you should note some people are price conscious. Not all. That's why luxury items exist.
In the current era of drastic discounts/buffet services/free to play + exploitative micro transactions, I'm kinda glad we still have Nintendo giving a shit about the value of games.
Not everyone has that luxury, I sure don't, but I'd love to see that become more and not less common.
Not everyone has that luxury, I sure don't, but I'd love to see that become more and not less common.
I have never payed full price for a Nintendo console or games since the Super Famicom. Nintendo is a rip-off company. I usually always buy on sale physical games. Or codes for digital games off people. Since the Wii I've always bought 2nd hand or on sale games only. This will continue as long as Nintendo continue to charge this much. If you shop around you can save a fortune not buying from Nintendo or digital
Yes, IF sales drop off significantly. If it continues to sell as well as it is Sony will not lower the price. Same tactic at work with Nintendo
In Europe the price of a game can vary depending on where you are buying it (45€-60€).
I know that a lot of people complained about DK but the price actually went up soon after release because the demand was too strong.
Nintendo can keep the price of their games up because the market judges that it is their value.
I know that a lot of people complained about DK but the price actually went up soon after release because the demand was too strong.
Nintendo can keep the price of their games up because the market judges that it is their value.
It will continue to sell and Sony will drop the price in a sale. Sony cares about selling it's consoles (just like Nintendo) and they use exclusives to sell PS4s. You will see in a couple of months.
I just quickly googled the walmart prices, only saw the physical version.
Axiom Verge doesn't have a physical release on PS4 AFAIK.
but damn, is that really the only thing that stuck out to you from that post?
I could just take another blockbuster title and the total would still be like $30 less than buying 2 launch Switch games.
lol
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LOL sorry, Axiom Verge does have a physical release on PS4.
It's $10 less than the Switch copy.
You were being disingenuous and were rightly called out for it.
I understand that but what happens when majority waiti the six months for the discount do to a precedent set by Sony.
I guess in the end that's sony's problem. But it still feels like a huge burn for early adopters.
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More like Stockholmers , amirite?
The pricing definitely reduces my overall investment in the platform. I've spent $300 on PS software so far this year, but only $90 on Switch software. What really bugs me most is paying $20 for digital games. I'd gladly pay $69 for digital Octopath, but refuse to pay $90 for digital when JB or Target will sell me physical for $69.
or
OR
ORRR
you could just buy a new game from Walmart
$17.78
and then buy another game
$19.93
and then buy yet another game
$22.80
and then maybe one more
50% off on PSN right now
$9.99
Total: $70.50
Four full-length, great games.
Or you could buy this:
$54.99
And then this
$52.94
Total: $107.93
WOW WHAT A FUCKING STEAL
Wait, maybe i want to play Axiom Verge on the go
$39.99
Or i could just not
and get it on literally any other platform
because why the fuck would i spend 4x as much to play this on Switch
Axiom Verge is $40 on Switch?! That is pretty awful considering the PSN price. I seriously don't understand thier bad digital pricing on the e-shop too.
Yeah, the Nintendo pass. Which if different wouldn't change anything in this point for the mass market that buy those games.
I mean, they could do deep discount sales on their online store, but I don't think retailers would be happy competing with Nintendo on those prices. They may purchase fewer Nintendo games if they think that Nintendo will just undercut them in a month or so after the game is out and before the retailer can clear their stock.
I think there should be more flexible pricing for games in general. Everything starting out at one price then dropping to a fraction of that is silly, when they could have just priced it at a more appropriate price to start.
It is Sony's problem if that happens but the fact is you are the one who burned yourself if a game got cheaper because you could have waited for the highly likely lower price in a few months.
it's only disingenuous if you're in denial
If you remove Axiom Verge from my list, it's now $60 for 3 games vs. $105 for 2 and it's even more ridiculous
It doesn't matter which switch games I use, the blockbuster titles for the platform are all extremely high price and so it literally doesn't even matter.
eShop gift cards are 10-15% off every month or two (just follow Wario 64 on Twitter).
That, plus waiting for sales, plus eShop coin rewards and it definitely helps keeps the prices more reasonable.
That, plus waiting for sales, plus eShop coin rewards and it definitely helps keeps the prices more reasonable.
It's funny because developers on the Switch don't even discount their games as much as on other platforms.
Bethesda's never discounted Skyrim even though it's been like $20 elsewhere constantly.
Bethesda's never discounted Skyrim even though it's been like $20 elsewhere constantly.
How about you pay attention to what I've been saying since the start instead of accusing others of moving goal posts? My entire point is their third party support is lacking compared to PlayStation consoles, it seems like you're just throwing shit at the wall and hope for one to stick with your posts.
The Wii U games were crazy expensive even after a year or two. It's Nintendo.
Alas, that is a false extrapolation. This mainly only applies to Nintendo games, as they sell well constantly all year round. Nintendo is an outlier.
It's all subjective anyway comparing switch to traditional home consoles.
Games wise for those that are on both platforms, if portability is important, then paying more for a nerfed version is worth it for those fans. As far as exclusives, same deal applies, if the game is worth $60 or whatever to you, then that's a fair price. It's determined by the person in question.
I mean personally I don't have any value at all for portability, and despite really really wanting to like Botw, it bored my face off. At $10 I would have not gotten value out of it. Conversely, I had dozens of hours of great times from HZD and AC:O, so $60 or more with DLC was a good value to me. That varies person to person. Someone who feels the exact opposite of me is not wrong, and neither am I.
It's why I'm happy that switch exists and offers what it does despite my initial misgivings and selling mine off fast (thanks to sky high resale I lost nothing but sales tax, and I could have easily scalped it at the time but refused to do so on principle). For me, a potato powered portable thing (in the context of the competing home options) was the last thing I wanted. I wanted a Nintendo console that could not only bring new ultra high details and framerate to Nintendo IPs, but be a great place for AAA multiplats in a competitive fashion. But thinking more about it, sure it would be good for me personally, but there obviously is a big market that was otherwise going to remain untapped, in offering a new level of portable performance for those fans. Besides, I found out that I really don't care about the Nintendo IPs anymore. I hated Botw, and despite viewing Odyssey as something of a masterpiece, it still didn't feel like something I was driven to go back to after an hour or so. My favorite series was Advance Wars, but that's also been killed off, so there's nothing there for me.
And that isn't a bad thing. I have other platforms that are more than enough for me. It's good Nintendo is doing something else.
Now the accessory prices are borderline insulting, but that's another thing altogether.
Games wise for those that are on both platforms, if portability is important, then paying more for a nerfed version is worth it for those fans. As far as exclusives, same deal applies, if the game is worth $60 or whatever to you, then that's a fair price. It's determined by the person in question.
I mean personally I don't have any value at all for portability, and despite really really wanting to like Botw, it bored my face off. At $10 I would have not gotten value out of it. Conversely, I had dozens of hours of great times from HZD and AC:O, so $60 or more with DLC was a good value to me. That varies person to person. Someone who feels the exact opposite of me is not wrong, and neither am I.
It's why I'm happy that switch exists and offers what it does despite my initial misgivings and selling mine off fast (thanks to sky high resale I lost nothing but sales tax, and I could have easily scalped it at the time but refused to do so on principle). For me, a potato powered portable thing (in the context of the competing home options) was the last thing I wanted. I wanted a Nintendo console that could not only bring new ultra high details and framerate to Nintendo IPs, but be a great place for AAA multiplats in a competitive fashion. But thinking more about it, sure it would be good for me personally, but there obviously is a big market that was otherwise going to remain untapped, in offering a new level of portable performance for those fans. Besides, I found out that I really don't care about the Nintendo IPs anymore. I hated Botw, and despite viewing Odyssey as something of a masterpiece, it still didn't feel like something I was driven to go back to after an hour or so. My favorite series was Advance Wars, but that's also been killed off, so there's nothing there for me.
And that isn't a bad thing. I have other platforms that are more than enough for me. It's good Nintendo is doing something else.
Now the accessory prices are borderline insulting, but that's another thing altogether.
You were told that Nintendo has strong third party support on their portables and they still keep prices high on their own games. You responded that it's not comparable to a Sony console.
Let's try this again.
Nintendo portables have had strong third party support. Nintendo maintains the original MSRP on their games, much like with the switch.
So you are wrong in your assessment that if Nintendo had good third party support they would be forced to lower the prices if their own games
Not funny, kind of sucks tbh. I just bought Inside on PS4 even though I wanted it on the Switch. I'm not paying 70% more for the switch version
i understand best selling games / famous games on 59.99 but indies are also very expensive on Nintendo Switch.
After PS vita , i was trying to get in Switch mainly because portable indie machine and of course Mario and Zelda .
but not only games , but the accessories are also expensive until i have to rethink again .
Wish there was another portable PlayStation that support latest indies , because PSN do have some crazy sales that will keep me busy until next big game or sales.
After PS vita , i was trying to get in Switch mainly because portable indie machine and of course Mario and Zelda .
but not only games , but the accessories are also expensive until i have to rethink again .
Wish there was another portable PlayStation that support latest indies , because PSN do have some crazy sales that will keep me busy until next big game or sales.
And I replied to the portable point a few pages ago, go read it, one more disingenuous post from you and you're getting ignored, you're really not worth wasting time on, I surprised you didn't even get a warn for the way you're behaving.
Yup. Not sure how the platform holders expect folks to jump to digital when they overprice their stuff the way they do. Whether it's Zelda at £60, God Of War at £55 or so on, alot of these guys are asking anywhere in the range of £10-20 more than regular pricing elsewhere. The indies being a little more expensive I find hard to be annoyed about, indie games are often priced way cheaper than their value so whatever, but it's the big games that put me off.
So once again
the entire argument can basically be boiled down to:
"It's good for Nintendo, so i'll gladly open my mouth and take it because it makes perfect sense for Nintendo to win and not me"
Nevermind the rest of the games industry, where the majority of the AAA developers that don't develop for Switch dwell.
where they spend waaaaaaay more money developing their software for high-fidelity hardware, yet still manage to turn huge profits, without feeling the need to keep charging $54.99 for game they released over a year ago
or a port of a game they released shy of a decade ago, or a version of a game that's technically available on last-gen hardware
probably because the space of competition is far more vast, and they realize that they're competing for your time and money. And so dropping the price to ensure people will still pay to play the game while newer games are releasing is pretty smart
But not in Nintendo land where the games are never bad, never age, and don't deserve to become more affordable as they become less relevant and more, newer games [allegedly] flood the system, they're definitely coming don't worry, but in the mean time, here's Zelda and Mario and ARMS and Splatoon to tide you over that'll be about $240 thanks
why are indie games more expensive with us, oh because we're so great for indies they love us alot just look at how much they love us, that'll be an extra $10 to enjoy indies over here because we're so good to them
why is this multiplatform port way more expensive with us, oh that's our Portability Premium, don't you just love being able to play a weaker version of this old ass port on the go, that'll be $10-20 more please
what do you mean that's unreasonable considering the rest of the gaming market
well JEEZ what do you expect, consumers keep giving us money! Blame them, it's their fault! If everyone else had these games SELLING JUST SO WELL OMG then maybe they could keep them at a high price like us!!!!!!
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Well said, even if I guess I have opposite tastes. I applaud you sir
(So often people want everything to be catered to them. If I don't like it, it's shit and needs to die it's hugely common as a mindset.)
That has to seriously mess up your News channel, I have a Japanese profile installed and you can't filter out posts from the Japanese eshop.
I think they are listening, they are just hearing the sounds of cash and credits being exchanged because people are still willing to buy an enhanced WiiU port at $60 that was released over a year ago(MK8D).
I understand, but still disagree. And no, nothing escapes me. Good try, though.
Being pro-market in general, I also understand that the market supports these kinds of Nintendo shenanigans.
"Something Nintendo does more often than any other company." To you, sure. I personally don't value Nintendo products more than anything else output by any other company. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree .
Except Apple actually have competition in terms of pricing now from the likes of Google, Samsung etc. Nintendo on the other hand are an outlier when it comes to comparing thier pricing strategy to the market leader, Sony, and thier other competitor, Microsoft. It shows now more than ever too due to the rise of digital sales.
$80 games here in Canada sucks, especially since 3DS games were like 50? I guess that's the downside of the Switch being a full console even if I see it as more of a handheld device.
I've gone completely digital and it's not impossible to find deals. First, buy several eShop money cards when they go on sale on eBay, buy the most important game or two to start you off, and then wait a long time for things to want to actually go on sale.
Its Braaier he's known to shit on Sony. Just look at his post history.
Most of the time the conditioning is so subtle that Nintendo customers/fanboys(delete as appropriate) actually think Nintendo is actually doing them a favour by charging them more and offering little to no discounts over a long period of time
Truly the most misguided post in this thread. The Switch is not a loss leader- it has been stated numerous times by Nintendo that it sells at a profit.
In terms of the games, Nintendo's prices are determined by standardised RRPs for video games, not by Nintendo arbitrarily deciding to charge more. They are also in an entirely different position to Microsoft and Sony, as they are only a video game company, and can't subsidise their games business with other arms of the company, or endless cash reserves.
They are also an inherently conservative company, and always have been. In many ways, Nintendo represent a pre-1980s, much more stable form of consumer capitalism. The most important thing to them is the perceived value of their games, and they're very very wary of the culture of deep discounting, which exists simply as a response to the aggressive tactics of huge near-monopolies such as Amazon and Steam. Nintendo have managed to position themselves outside of this culture, which creates much more stability for them (which is so important, as they are a much smaller company than Microsoft and Sony), as well as offering consumers clear pricing rather than the lottery, and associated lack of consumer trust, which accompanies deep discounting.
It is just a fact that the sort of discounts we see on video games simply cannot last. It is a race to the bottom in its purest form, just like Amazon, Uber, Air B&B etc etc. Games are incredibly expensive to make, and this discounting of them is precipitating a shift in the industry, most likely to closed-ecosystem streaming services. All platform holders have a window of perhaps only ten years, or less, to build and strengthen their audiences. We can see this even more clearly through the success of Fortnite, a free game. You'd have to be a fool to think that selling skins and Battle Passes is the long term financial strategy for this industry. It's all about locking in audiences to ecosystems- platforms, games, online purchases, online infrastructure. This will all determine which companies will survive when the switch to streaming services arrives.
It's similar to the way that Uber are building a monopoly based on much cheaper taxi services and very precarious employment- it's simply a stopgap until self driving cars arrive, when Uber will be able to cut all their drivers and pull in astronomical profits from a ready-made monopoly.
Viewed within this, Nintendo's old fashioned policy of clear pricing and high value products isn't as 'anti-consumer' as it first appears. Nintendo offer unique hardware and games which have a distinct aesthetic and creative approach- Nintendo's games ARE their branding, in a much more significant way than with Sony or Microsoft. Games are Nintendo's most precious commodity, and therefore protecting and preserving the perceived value of those games (and by extension the value of the entire company) is their top priority. This allows Nintendo an independence from the laissez-faire approach of other platform holders and media retailers, meaning that Nintendo can be relatively self sufficient even with smaller audience than other platforms. And most importantly, this financial independence allows Nintendo a creative independence, which is why we get so many amazing and creative games from them.
Yes the Switch is a horrendously expensive console to own:
I love Nintendo but their consoles are awful value for money compared to the competition.
- £65 for Joycons, £25 for the charge grip to put them in, £60 Pro controllers
- No game sharing removing what would be one of the principal benefits of a digital library especially for families
- The worst digital deals of any gaming platform, hands down
- Nintendo first party games never go down in price other than in a small increment and only once in a blue moon
- Last gen ports with minimal improvements get sold for full price
- A subscription service that gives you access to some NES roms while XBLG/PS+ offer so much more every month (and before anyone wheels out the price difference defence, subscriptions for both are frequently available for £25~)
I love Nintendo but their consoles are awful value for money compared to the competition.