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Thank you. Like I said I am 100% sure that I don't have autism. I also know some people who has it and I don't have it. It's also approved by professionals. Like I said I have Abandonment/Instability, Mistrust/Abuse, Failure, Approval-Seeking/Recognition-Seeking schemas. I tried to solve this but 6 months therapy didn't help.
We recently had a counselor visit work because someone died under pretty horrific circumstances, and i decided to talk to him for a bit about it. His advice to me seemed pretty cookie-cutter to anyone, and it was largely "you can't control what other people do, and feelings aren't always rational, but you can control what you do." Kind of a type of optimistic stoicism, i suppose.

You know that you have certain triggers that affect you, related to abandonment and the seeking of approval. I wonder if it would be good to craft a kind of mental flowchart for when your friends--or anyone--does something to upset you, to just step back and see how rational you're being in your offense. Did your friend try to offend you? Do they realize that what they said is actually very important to you, or was it just a random comment in a string of them? If you can step back and determine some kind of intention, then you can figure out how to best respond. Conversely, when you give advice, are you doing so to help someone or because you want them to like you? If it's the second, maybe change your approach to the answers you are getting.

It's entirely possible that your friends are just shitty friends and letting go would be the best thing to do, but I don't think you should start with "We argued about AMD processors" but with things way more deep, like how often they choose to hang out with you, what you all do when you do hang out, if everyone is having fun but you, that sort of thing. The way you tell this story, it seems like everyone is oblivious to how you feel.
 

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I need to get this glasses now. I always thought glasses made me look wiser but I look like Peter Parker with pre powers lol

Thank you for your message. I just checked autism and I have none of the symptoms. But for the ADHD I contacted to my friend and he said "no you are not."

I have some other problems, I agree with this. I used antidepressants and when I was using them I was extremely less overthinking. Maybe I should get back to it.

Thank you. Like I said I am 100% sure that I don't have autism. I also know some people who has it and I don't have it. It's also approved by professionals. Like I said I have Abandonment/Instability, Mistrust/Abuse, Failure, Approval-Seeking/Recognition-Seeking schemas. I tried to solve this but 6 months therapy didn't help.
six months of therapy is never gonna get you anywhere. it's not a quick fix for all of your problems. i've been seeing psychiatrists and therapists for over 25 years. my problems still exist and will never go away. anecdotally and coincidentally, despite going since childhood, I was never diagnosed with autism as a kid. I was in my early 20s when a psychiatrist even dared bring up the possibility. I had an initial defensive reaction, but after a few mins to digest it, you know what I thought to myself? no shit, that explains so much about the troubles I had as a teen with fitting in and doing "normal" social activities.

saying you are 100% sure you don't have autism is the exact problem the person you are replying to is explaining. of course you don't think you have it, you don't want to admit it, and you look up symptoms on webmd instead of seeing an actual medical doctor.

it almost feels like you're more concerned about the stigma of autism than anything? we are at a point now where society understands you can be a high functioning adult with a stable job, but also be on the autism spectrum. it's not an insult, it's not a curse, it's something you need to learn to live with.
 
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Neither you nor your friend are qualified to make those calls.
He is a psychiatrist. I am sure he knows a thing or two.
six months of therapy is never gonna get you anywhere. it's not a quick fix for all of your problems. i've been seeing psychiatrists and therapists for over 25 years. my problems still exist and will never go away.

saying you are 100% sure you don't have autism is the exact problem the person you are replying to is explaining. of course you don't think you have it, you don't want to admit it, and you look up symptoms on webmd instead of seeing an actual medical doctor.

it almost feels like you're more concerned about the stigma of autism than anything? we are at a point now where society understands you can be a high functioning adult with a stable job, but also be on the autism spectrum. it's not an insult, it's not a curse, it's something you need to learn to live with.
25 years? Oh boy. I'll go bankrupt lol
 

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He is a psychiatrist. I am sure he knows a thing or two.

25 years? Oh boy. I'll go bankrupt lol
it's a legitimate medical condition, you need to think of it as any other lifelong illness.
a childhood friend had cancer in elementary school; he has to do a check every year to make sure it hasn't come back to this day.
my dad is diabetic, he can't just stop going to the doctor after the diagnosis.
you have to regularly see a doctor to get prescriptions for illness, even if it's for a mental health issue.

new things happen daily. I face new challenges daily. there will always be new things for me to go over in therapy. you can take breaks; I haven't seen a proper therapist in 4-5 years, before covid. I still see my psychiatrist every 3-6 months just to check-in and make sure i'm not self-sabotaging myself or my relationships over some petty bullshit. it becomes easier over time, but developing the coping skills takes time and effort.

also I think someone else alluded to it in this thread already, but medicinal weed has been a godsend for me. it can just shut my brain down after work or on the weekends if my mind is out of control. last summer I was "hearing things" and obsessing over made up reasons these sounds would harm me. i've always struggled with intrusive thoughts taking over and being unable to block them out. take a few draws from the vape pen and I can play some games with my mind at ease
 

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the AMD comment sticks out to me still, because as someone on the spectrum, you're reminding me of myself when people don't listen to my advice.
similarly, I used to get bothered by this. why are you wasting my time if you don't even listen to what I have to say?

years of therapy and working on myself has taught me this is a me problem. I ask for advice all the time, I get multiple different opinions, and then I go off a consensus. there are always opinions that were not in the consensus I came to, but it's not like I was purposely trying to waste anyone's time or put down their knowledge on something.

Same here.
Even runs in the family. My dad will legit get angry at me when I don't listen to his advice and my grandpa was also like this. It is like being the worst console warrior all the time on anything.
The men in my family, will get super obsessed when they have to buy sth and spend hours reading up on stuff and looking for deals. By the time we form a decision in our brains, that decision becomes religion.
And anyone who dares to think different will really irritate us.

To protect myself from these emotions, I really don't give advice on anything anymore.
The less time and brainpower I use on this, the quieter those negative thoughts get.
During the X360 vs PS3 days, I was insufferable. I was an asshole on Android vs iOS.
Recently bought a Hybrid car and really have to stop myself from recommending it to others.


This is really helpful! I'm 35 myself so I get what you mean with mental health not really being a thing growing up. I have bipolar so I attribute a lot of my thinking and quirks to that but what you've written out sounds exactly like the issues I have. Thank you so much! I didn't know this had an actual label to describe the feelings.

From what I learned, hyper sensitivity is a character trait and it is often linked to various mental health issues.
But the science is still unsure, it hasn't really been looked into for a long time.

www.verywellmind.com

Highly Sensitive Person Traits That Create More Stress

A highly sensitive person (HSP) is someone who has an increased sensitivity to stimulation and information. Learn the effects of being highly sensitive.
 

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He is a psychiatrist. I am sure he knows a thing or two.

25 years? Oh boy. I'll go bankrupt lol

I'm sure when you first started therapy you took tests to get diagnosed right? Of course it's always possible something like autism/adhd was missed, but if it didn't come up during those initial test and consequent diagnosis the odds are very high you don't have adhd or autism. And pretty much every issue you've run into you've described here fits perfectly with the diagnosis you've given here.

And I've seen you mention here several times you want to do this by yourself. Could this in part be explained by you not thinking other people will be able or are unwilling to help you? Cause for me that was a huge part of my initial hesitance to find and accept help lol. The idea that people don't care about me, won't go through any trouble for me, and in the end will let me down.

It took actual caring therapists to get me to completely dive into those feelings, and slowly show me the opposite. I literally could not have done this by myself. Just too many defense mechanisms in play to get to those most hurt feelings of mistrust and abandonment, and nobody around to get me to trust them sufficiently.

And looking back at your old thread with the security guard, I thought back then that your assessment of how willing your therapist was to help you was a bit off. Initially you said she didn't want to do anything to keep you anonymous, when she had actually done quite a few things. Which to me seems like it just didn't register with you that she actually did care and take steps. Which fits perfectly. You're so used to people not caring that that was internalized, and when people do show they care that doesn't get recognized.

Since this is a deeply seeded issue, six months of therapy is not gonna solve it, but it doesn't have to be 25 years lol. It greatly depends per person. But the most effective way to treat it is tackle the mistrust issues at their core. So I'm still extremely strongly in favor of that. That seems by far the most beneficial.

However, cognitive behavioral therapy is based on the idea that underlying core beliefs about yourself result in misinterpretation of other peoples behavior.

My first, pretty underqualified counselor sent me home with a sort of self help book that did give me quite a bit of insight into how that affected me. There's nothing stopping you from giving that a try yourself if you can't afford a therapist right now, if you want to try to change your mindset yourself.

I'm quite a bit hesitant to recommend this. Since people are obviously biased in judging their own interpretation of others, and ideally that'd be done together with a professional. But again...it could be better than nothing?
 

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Thank you for your message. I just checked autism and I have none of the symptoms. But for the ADHD I contacted to my friend and he said "no you are not."
Don't have a lot to add to the main topic (sorry I just dont know how to help) other than comment three things on this as a therapist:
1: A psychiatrist is probably not qualified to make a diagnose on a neurodivergency, you need a psychologist for that.
2: Even if he were qualified, being a friend of you he's not in a position to make a proper diagnose since he will be biased.
3: You can't rule out being on the spectrum just by checking the symptoms yourself.

Just go see a therapist if you have the money to do it please. Even if you are not neurodivergent, which you might very well be, you seem to need some help with your emotional regulation and socialising. Hell, they might even help you get new friends if that's what you need.
Good luck OP!
 
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I'm sure when you first started therapy you took tests to get diagnosed right? Of course it's always possible something like autism/adhd was missed, but if it didn't come up during those initial test and consequent diagnosis the odds are very high you don't have adhd or autism. And pretty much every issue you've run into you've described here fits perfectly with the diagnosis you've given here.

And I've seen you mention here several times you want to do this by yourself. Could this in part be explained by you not thinking other people will be able or are unwilling to help you? Cause for me that was a huge part of my initial hesitance to find and accept help lol. The idea that people don't care about me, won't go through any trouble for me, and in the end will let me down.

It took actual caring therapists to get me to completely dive into those feelings, and slowly show me the opposite. I literally could not have done this by myself. Just too many defense mechanisms in play to get to those most hurt feelings of mistrust and abandonment, and nobody around to get me to trust them sufficiently.

And looking back at your old thread with the security guard, I thought back then that your assessment of how willing your therapist was to help you was a bit off. Initially you said she didn't want to do anything to keep you anonymous, when she had actually done quite a few things. Which to me seems like it just didn't register with you that she actually did care and take steps. Which fits perfectly. You're so used to people not caring that that was internalized, and when people do show they care that doesn't get recognized.

Since this is a deeply seeded issue, six months of therapy is not gonna solve it, but it doesn't have to be 25 years lol. It greatly depends per person. But the most effective way to treat it is tackle the mistrust issues at their core. So I'm still extremely strongly in favor of that. That seems by far the most beneficial.

However, cognitive behavioral therapy is based on the idea that underlying core beliefs about yourself result in misinterpretation of other peoples behavior.

My first, pretty underqualified counselor sent me home with a sort of self help book that did give me quite a bit of insight into how that affected me. There's nothing stopping you from giving that a try yourself if you can't afford a therapist right now, if you want to try to change your mindset yourself.

I'm quite a bit hesitant to recommend this. Since people are obviously biased in judging their own interpretation of others, and ideally that'd be done together with a professional. But again...it could be better than nothing?
Yes. She did multiple tests on me and said I don't have anything anomaly. I am certain about this because she was my third therapist and none said I have a autism or ADHD.

Perhaps I was a bit angry and blamed her but she did talk to security for me and said "please do not ask patients' surname. some might feel uncomfortable" and when she said that it's all solved. The security personnel didn't ask my surname for months until a new guy who is elder than the rest asked me and insisted me. He didn't know the issue because it's the first time he is in there. The other guy I was familiar with already helped me. Maybe I should've just use a made up surname and move on.

It happened because of my father. When I was a kid, my parents leave me alone in the middle of problem and I couldn't handle myself. For example when I was at the line in the supermarket, they leave me and say "wait here, we are gonna buy something" and I couldn't handle it. Because of these kind of examples, I am still having hard time for crisis management. When I share this with my father he would get angry and say "Oh you are such a cry baby. When I was a kid my grandmother beat me with a stick. You are nearly 30, be a grown up" and so on. It's impossible to talk to my father about these kind of topics. Same for my mother too. They don't want me to go the therapist because when I give an example from the past they start blaming therapy and claim that I am a crybaby. I love them but I also think my parents have mental disorders.
 

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Yes. She did multiple tests on me and said I don't have anything anomaly. I am certain about this because she was my third therapist and none said I have a autism or ADHD.

Perhaps I was a bit angry and blamed her but she did talk to security for me and said "please do not ask patients' surname. some might feel uncomfortable" and when she said that it's all solved. The security personnel didn't ask my surname for months until a new guy who is elder than the rest asked me and insisted me. He didn't know the issue because it's the first time he is in there. The other guy I was familiar with already helped me. Maybe I should've just use a made up surname and move on.

It happened because of my father. When I was a kid, my parents leave me alone in the middle of problem and I couldn't handle myself. For example when I was at the line in the supermarket, they leave me and say "wait here, we are gonna buy something" and I couldn't handle it. Because of these kind of examples, I am still having hard time for crisis management. When I share this with my father he would get angry and say "Oh you are such a cry baby. When I was a kid my grandmother beat me with a stick. You are nearly 30, be a grown up" and so on. It's impossible to talk to my father about these kind of topics. Same for my mother too. They don't want me to go the therapist because when I give an example from the past they start blaming therapy and claim that I am a crybaby. I love them but I also think my parents have mental disorders.

I get why people in this thread are suggesting looking into autism/adhd, since a lot of what you're describing here (frustration with not being heard) can coincide with autism as well. And autism can be pretty hard to diagnose in adults, and figuring out you have autism/adhd explains a lot and can help a lot going forward. So I really get those suggestions. But from everything you've told me, I'd think those odds are pretty low indeed. Especially if it hasn't come up with all three of your therapists.

And glad to hear you've come to see your therapist was acting with your best interests at heart, did take your concerns seriously and was putting in the effort to help you. If I remember correctly, that wasn't your initial impression of what she did, and that's what made you angry at first?

And yeah, unfortunately our parents have a huge impact on mental health issues that we might develop ourselves. When my dad was two he got severe tonsillitis. He cried a lot (understandably) but in stead of comforting him my grandparents just put a lot of pills in him to shut him up. So a baby, in a lot of pain, doesn't get comfort and care, but is left alone in his bed, with pills to keep him quiet. Hurt him so bad that he is still afraid to be vulnerable and open up, because he fears people will leave him. Made him unable to experience and show emotions properly.

My mothers father had a heart attack when she was young. Her mother also died young. And her preeeetty evil step mother used to tell her that if she ever made her father worry again, if she ever acted up, he'd get a heart attack and die. And that it would be her fault. So if she ever expressed anger or fear or anything that might upset her dad, he'd die. Because of her. Yeah...if that isn't a recipe for unsafe attachment and fear of abandonment, I don't know what is.

When I was fourteen our family (parents, sister and me) were on a vacation, and there was a huge fight. And emotionally stunted as my father was, he showed no fucking sign of emotion at all. People were sad, angry, and it looked like he did not give a single shit at all. Like the people he was supposed to love being hurt mattered absolutely nothing to him. So I told him to stop acting like a robot and show some fucking emotion. Completely unaffected and calm he told me to just punch him in the face if I was mad. Like he absolutely didn't give a shit how I felt. My own father, who was supposed to care that I was hurt or mad did not care how I felt at all. How absolutely little did I matter that even my father didn't care? Meanwhile my mother was so preoccupied by her own pain that she couldn't comfort me either.

I'm still recovering (a bit) from my own mental health problems, and two weeks ago I was in my moms car with her. I'm usually acting like everything's okay, suppressing the latent sadness and anxiety when I'm around other people. Just easier. But then I expressed my anxiety and sadness to her, and told her how hard it was at times, and if she could just hug me. She did for ten seconds, and then went into her usual mode of rationalization. How everyone feels a bit sad sometimes. And noone at the party we were coming from feels completely at ease. Which is all true, but not what I needed. I just needed her to comfort me. Give me a hug and let me be sad for a bit. I asked her if she could just hug me and comfort me a bit (which I've asked a lot of times before, yay therapy for teaching me that). She realized what she was doing, and made an effort to show me she did care about how I was feeling. Combatting the feeling that's still ingrained in me a bit (but that's slowly eroding over time), that people don't give a shit how I feel.

So yeah, parents are hugely influential in how their kids develop. If you're left in a line in the supermarket and are panicking and your parents leave you there? That doesn't teach you that they'll keep you safe in a crisis environment. That teaches you you'll be left alone (and possibly feeling helpless). And what does it say about you if your parents are leaving you? (that last part is just my own pain, might not apply to you).

And yes, you might be an adult now. From everything you've said you seem very intelligent, and probably able to actually navigate most crisis situations. But 'you're an adult now, get over it' unfortunately isn't how it works. If 'people will leave me when I'm in crisis situations, I'm helpless and I don't know what to do' is ingrained in your mind and emotions, that's the core belief that will come up when you're in those situations. Not 'I'm a thirty year old independent, intelligent post grad student who can solve most of the issues I encounter'. And for the latter to develop, the first has to be explored and healed. Because they are completely contradictory. And deeply ingrained ideas about who we are are exceptionally difficult to change without help of a capable, understanding and caring therapist.

Which brings me to this. If you're sticking to your decision to not see another therapist, who's gonna help you access those ingrained feelings of abandonment in crisis situations? Who is gonna actually make you feel in your soul that in a difficult situation (which we will always encounter in life) the people that are supposed to stick by you will actually do so? From the looks of it...not your parents. When a good therapist will. Who is gonna make you feel accepted when you're talking about the pain you've internalized as a kid? From the looks of it, not your parents.

Look, I hate to say bad things about peoples parents. Cause they've had their reasons for becoming the people they are, and those reasons (which they often had no control over) affect how you've been hurt yourself. But though they probably love you as you love them, fact is that how they treated you did hurt you.

And frankly, I'm a bit pissed off that you're supporting them financially, which is keeping you from therapy, which is supposed to be something for you. That in stead of taking accountability for their own part in how they hurt you, they're calling you a crybaby, blaming it on therapy and saying you shouldn't go anymore. When that therapy is something that is supposed to benefit you.
 
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Look, I hate to say bad things about people parents. Cause they've had their reasons for becoming the people they are, and those reasons (which they often had no control over) affect how you've been hurt yourself. But though they probably love you as you love them, fact is that how they treated you did hurt you.

And frankly, I'm a bit pissed off that you're supporting them financially, which is keeping you from therapy, which is supposed to be something for you. That in stead of taking accountability for their own part in how they hurt you, they're calling you a crybaby, blaming it on therapy and saying you shouldn't go anymore. When that therapy is something that is supposed to benefit you.
i'm agreeing with this and just to add on, I think after reading more posts and previous threads from the OP, the real crux of the issue is being abused by parents.

i'm not going to say you should starve your parents or kick them out on the street, but it doesn't sound like they remotely appreciate anything you're doing for them. at some point, you have to ask if it's worth constantly dealing with their shit, giving them everything, and then being shit on by them still at the end of the day.

in another post, you said something about how you can't even get the food you want in the house, because your mom only buys what she wants. at the same time; it sounds like you're paying for all of this food at the end of the day.

the best advice I can give at this point is to get the fuck out. seriously. you don't have to cut them off entirely, but i'm not sure how much you can heal if your parents are still constantly shitting on you at 30 years old.
 
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Thank you all of your responses. I am 100% certain that I am cutting ties with these two without making an explanation. No matter what they do, I won't talk to them again. If they didn't change in 10+ years I don't think they'll change.

Now time to make new, healthy friendships.
 

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Lmao, OP literally went:

I really appreciate the advice but fuck ERA and fuck my friends 😂👍
 

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Thank you all of your responses. I am 100% certain that I am cutting ties with these two without making an explanation. No matter what they do, I won't talk to them again. If they didn't change in 10+ years I don't think they'll change.

Now time to make new, healthy friendships.
New, healthy relationships where you won't take to your friends if you have an issue and will just cut them out of your life?

You're never going to have good relationships with people if you're only looking for superficial contact as per your original post.
 

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Lmao, OP literally went:

I really appreciate the advice but fuck ERA and fuck my friends 😂👍

Yeah, OP has isssues if THAT is his takeaway from all the solid advice.
Especially the "without making an explanation" thing will not be a good look wtf

Imagine someone at school talking to OPs cut off friends why you aren't around anymore and they are like:
"Huh, don't know, don't care, he just stopped talking to us I guess"

But hey, maybe this an upgrade over "they disgraced AMDs good name"
 

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Lmao, OP literally went:

I really appreciate the advice but fuck ERA and fuck my friends 😂👍
If only several people had pointed out he would do this for the xth time in a row before people had, once again, spent a lot of their time intricately sharing their personal experiences and offering advice to help him.
 
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Lmao, OP literally went:

I really appreciate the advice but fuck ERA and fuck my friends 😂👍
I listened Era. That's why I am doing it lol
Curious what exactly you "checked".
My shrink couldn't figure out if I have autism in three years.
3 therapist and a psychiatrist. Plus my own observation of autistic people.
New, healthy relationships where you won't take to your friends if you have an issue and will just cut them out of your life?

You're never going to have good relationships with people if you're only looking for superficial contact as per your original post.
Wdym?

If only several people had pointed out he would do this for the xth time in a row before people had, once again, spent a lot of their time intricately sharing their personal experiences and offering advice to help him.
AFAIK, you were also one of the people who suggested cutting ties with them?
 

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I listened Era. That's why I am doing it lol

3 therapist and a psychiatrist. Plus my own observation of autistic people.

Wdym?
I mean you literally state that you're just looking for 'fun' and nothing in-depth in your first post. You're never going to have great relationships with people if you're not willing to go beyond just hanging out and talking about things that don't really matter.
 

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If only several people had pointed out he would do this for the xth time in a row before people had, once again, spent a lot of their time intricately sharing their personal experiences and offering advice to help him.

Yeah, what a waste.
Good luck to OP, will just ignore him if this wasn't a one time thing.
 
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I mean you literally state that you're just looking for 'fun' and nothing in-depth in your first post. You're never going to have great relationships with people if you're not willing to go beyond just hanging out and talking about things that don't really matter.
It's because I probably couldn't explain properly. These two guys also try to brag about money and other stuff. It feels like we are having a competition. When I said fun, I meant a friendship without trying to pull down others.

I am hospitalized btw. Sorry if I still can't explain. Thank you for all the responses.
 

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AFAIK, you were also one of the people who suggested cutting ties with them?
Yes, before I realised who you were and remembered that I had already given you honest, extensive and well-meant advice several times before. In context though, your whole situation can be summed up by "If you meet an asshole once, you met an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, well...". The problem isn't with these people and like I said earlier in this thread, at which you replied you were going to put me on ignore btw, there is likely very little wrong with these people beyond just generally being human and the problem is you and how you deal with social interactions. You have an inflated sense of ego and see everyone who doesn't treat you as the person you see yourself as, as a personal attack. In turn you seek validation through other means, like ERA-threads, where your context and long running history gets lost in the high speed of fresh content and people will see your stories as isolated, thus at first siding with you and telling you your feelings are valid and that you are in the right. People will even offer up good advice and share in-depth personal experiences to help you navigate this isolated incident, for which you will act grateful for, as they affirm your ego. Then as the thread runs for a couple of pages and people start seeing things don't add up even in these isolated stories, you shut it down, filter it all down to only the things you were interested in hearing ("You're right and these other people are the problem") and delete the content of your initial post so people stop asking the real questions.

Next, you'll either break contact with these people and find new friendships where you will run in the exact same issues because you haven't solved the problem aka you or, and this is the one I'm putting money on, you'll do nothing. Either way, you'll open another thread in a couple of weeks/months about a banal social interaction that's left you feeling disrespected and the cycle will begin again. And I'll be quoting this post in that thread. And it honestly isn't meant to be malicious or mean but because 1) people really are opening their hearts to you to help you and yes, I do feel like they're being tricked into doing it because you're less than forthcoming about your general posting history (which you've been called out for by many other posters many times before) and 2) you really need to wake up and realise how cyclical this is, that you are the person at the center of the cycle and that you'll need consistent, long term professional help if you really want to start building good, honest, reciprocal relationships with people.
 
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Yes, before I realised who you were and remembered that I had already given you honest, extensive and well-meant advice several times before. In context though, your whole situation can be summed up by "If you meet an asshole once, you met an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, well...". The problem isn't with these people and like I said earlier in this thread, at which you replied you were going to put me on ignore btw, there is likely very little wrong with these people beyond just generally being human and the problem is you and how you deal with social interactions. You have an inflated sense of ego and see everyone who doesn't treat you as the person you see yourself as, as a personal attack. In turn you seek validation through other means, like ERA-threads, where your context and long running history gets lost in the high speed of fresh content and people will see your stories as isolated, thus at first siding with you and telling you your feelings are valid and that you are in the right. People will even offer up good advice and share in-depth personal experiences to help you navigate this isolated incident, for which you will act grateful for, as they affirm your ego. Then as the thread runs for a couple of pages and people start seeing things don't add up even in these isolated stories, you shut it down, filter it all down to only the things you were interested in hearing ("You're right and these other people are the problem") and delete the content of your initial post so people stop asking the real questions.

Next, you'll either break contact with these people and find new friendships where you will run in the exact same issues because you haven't solved the problem aka you or, and this is the one I'm putting money on, you'll do nothing. Either way, you'll open another thread in a couple of weeks/months about a banal social interaction that's left you feeling disrespected and the cycle will begin again. And I'll be quoting this post in that thread. And it honestly isn't meant to be malicious or mean but because 1) people really are opening their hearts to you to help you and yes, I do feel like they're being tricked into doing it because you're less than forthcoming about your general posting history (which you've been called out for by many other posters many times before) and 2) you really need to wake up and realise how cyclical this is, that you are the person at the center of the cycle and that you'll need consistent, long term professional help if you really want to start building good, honest, reciprocal relationships with people.
You can be 100% sure that I am not deceiving anyone. If I tell the backstory of 10+ years long friendship, it will take nearly 10 Word pages to describe myself and the friendship.

It's probably happened to me because I am a overthinker at this point. I have it since high school. Like you said, it's a cycle at this point. Would Therapy help? Certainly but some of the posts say it will take years. I am 27 at this point. It will take all of the youth years of mine to get better. The other way is anti depressant. I used it for 2 months and I felt like I am extremely relaxed person. Maybe I should continue taking medicine. You are right. It's a cycle. I need to break it.

Thank you for your advice.
 

Idde

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You can be 100% sure that I am not deceiving anyone. If I tell the backstory of 10+ years long friendship, it will take nearly 10 Word pages to describe myself and the friendship.

It's probably happened to me because I am a overthinker at this point. I have it since high school. Like you said, it's a cycle at this point. Would Therapy help? Certainly but some of the posts say it will take years. I am 27 at this point. It will take all of the youth years of mine to get better. The other way is anti depressant. I used it for 2 months and I felt like I am extremely relaxed person. Maybe I should continue taking medicine. You are right. It's a cycle. I need to break it.

Thank you for your advice.

Getting into therapy does not mean putting the rest of your life on hold. What's stopping you from doing therapy and continuing on with the other things you want from life?

And if I'm honest, I think the issues you're dealing with are gonna greatly influence some pretty important aspects in your life. I hope this doesn't read like I'm using things you told me against you. But feeling valued and accepted are hugely important in healthy romantic relationships. I can reeeally easily see your trust and abandonment issues impact future romantic relationships to the point that healthy relationships will be very difficult, if not impossible.

You would be doing yourself (and a future partner) a huuuuge favor by being able to appreciate yourself, and feel appreciated by others. As you should, and you deserve. But that's very unlikely to happen without therapy.

And, you say you're 27. These issues aren't gonna solve themselves. The sooner you deal with them, the sooner you can live a happier life that's not affected by them.
 

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Can't wait for the next installment of the SilentEagle saga in which we find out he didn't actually go 'ghost-mode' or cut contact with his friends.
 

RoninChaos

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You ever get into therapy, OP? Cause in your last thread, dozens of people made that suggestion and looking at your responses to this thread, it sounds like you haven't.
 

RoninChaos

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Yes, before I realised who you were and remembered that I had already given you honest, extensive and well-meant advice several times before. In context though, your whole situation can be summed up by "If you meet an asshole once, you met an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, well...". The problem isn't with these people and like I said earlier in this thread, at which you replied you were going to put me on ignore btw, there is likely very little wrong with these people beyond just generally being human and the problem is you and how you deal with social interactions. You have an inflated sense of ego and see everyone who doesn't treat you as the person you see yourself as, as a personal attack. In turn you seek validation through other means, like ERA-threads, where your context and long running history gets lost in the high speed of fresh content and people will see your stories as isolated, thus at first siding with you and telling you your feelings are valid and that you are in the right. People will even offer up good advice and share in-depth personal experiences to help you navigate this isolated incident, for which you will act grateful for, as they affirm your ego. Then as the thread runs for a couple of pages and people start seeing things don't add up even in these isolated stories, you shut it down, filter it all down to only the things you were interested in hearing ("You're right and these other people are the problem") and delete the content of your initial post so people stop asking the real questions.

Next, you'll either break contact with these people and find new friendships where you will run in the exact same issues because you haven't solved the problem aka you or, and this is the one I'm putting money on, you'll do nothing. Either way, you'll open another thread in a couple of weeks/months about a banal social interaction that's left you feeling disrespected and the cycle will begin again. And I'll be quoting this post in that thread. And it honestly isn't meant to be malicious or mean but because 1) people really are opening their hearts to you to help you and yes, I do feel like they're being tricked into doing it because you're less than forthcoming about your general posting history (which you've been called out for by many other posters many times before) and 2) you really need to wake up and realise how cyclical this is, that you are the person at the center of the cycle and that you'll need consistent, long term professional help if you really want to start building good, honest, reciprocal relationships with people.
And when you bring this up next time he will call you a "hater" for pointing this out, due to all the issues described above.
 

Rampage

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Sure but he is not your psychiatrist.
A good psychiatrist will tell you to get fully evaluated and treated on a regular basis. Diagnosing someone outside work is not good medical practice.

But it doesn't matter. You are so sure you are right, you don't need to go. You did the bare minimum of 6 months and stopped taking your meds. Why are you seeking help when you are so sure you know all the answers?
 

Idde

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A good psychiatrist will tell you to get fully evaluated and treated on a regular basis. Diagnosing someone outside work is not good medical practice.

But it doesn't matter. You are so sure you are right, you don't need to go. You did the bare minimum of 6 months and stopped taking your meds. Why are you seeking help when you are so sure you know all the answers?

You realize there's some irony here with you saying he should get tested for autism when that is outside of your job, when he has seen three therapists, and neither in testing/diagnosis nor treatment asd related issues came up. When it was actually their job to be on the look out for that?
 

Rampage

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You realize there's some irony here with you saying he should get tested for autism when that is outside of your job, when he has seen three therapists, and neither in testing/diagnosis nor treatment asd related issues came up. When it was actually their job to be on the look out for that?

I did not say he should get tested for autism. I was say he should continue seeing any therapist with the diagnosis he already has. I'm saying he should not listen to his friend nor his own self evaluations. He should take his meds, or get new ones.

There is no irony here. Perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else talking about Autism.

Coming to a forum to vent is one thing. We all can give anecdotes and encouragement. Coming here while ignoring treatment is self-defeating. He wants help, but he thinks he is smarter than everyone else, including doctors. We can't help him.
 
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Idde

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Damn, sorry, that was my mistake I indeed got you mixed with a bunch of other posters saying he should see someone for possible autism, when you didn't say anything about that. My bad.

I agree with you that Silent would benefit a lot from therapy, and possibly that he should have just stayed with his old therapist. And I totally get why people get frustrated when someone starts a thread like this, and seemingly completely ignores the totally obviously helpful advice to start seeing a therapist again and take their meds.

However, I can think of a bunch of reasons of the top of my head why Silent might be reluctant to do so. If he simply can't afford therapy, he can't afford therapy. Another reason could be (speaking from my own experience here, which is not that dissimilar to what Silent's been diagnosed with) is that abandonment and distrust issues could make someone very reluctant to accept help because of fear of being let down or abandoned when they need someone the most. Which does not come from thinking you're smarter than everyone else. But it does lead to a tendency to try to do everything themselves because you can't accept help from others. Not saying this is the reason for Silent. I'm not his therapist. But it is something that could contribute to him not following our advice.

Or the fact that if he does go into therapy the relationship with his parents is bound to come up. And to start digging around in that, when his parents are vehemently anti-therapy could do god knows what to their relationship. I'm again not saying that necessarily plays a part, but it could, without him thinking he's smarter than everyone else.

I get why people are frustrated (can't say I'm not a little frustrated myself). But this thread is a prime example of people not being understanding of someone with mental health issues and becoming hostile when that person doesn't do exactly what they tell him to. When they frankly have no idea what contributes to them not following the given advice.
 
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He wants help, but he thinks he is smarter than everyone else, including doctors. We can't help him.
If you said this to me, well after seeing three therapist and the first one took years. I think they'd tell me if I have autism or ADHD.

My mistake about the thread is I didn't give enough backstory. I am not saying I am 100% right and they are all wrong in here.
I'll probably continue taking meds because I can't afford to therapy right now. I miss my old therapist but I can't see her again because her therapy was a bit expensive.
You ever get into therapy, OP? Cause in your last thread, dozens of people made that suggestion and looking at your responses to this thread, it sounds like you haven't.
Three times. And reason is not to continue is I am the only one who works at the family. I am paying the rent, bills and everything. I can't afford to expensive therapy right now.
 

CatAssTrophy

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As frustrated as a lot of folks in here seem to be with the OP and his topic(s) I think it's probably best to say that this all needs to be taken to a talk therapist to help unravel and untangle a lot of things. As others have said, work on the self-awareness and work on better articulating what it is you're seeking from friendships, why you don't think you're getting that from some of your current friendships, and why you feel attacked/slighted/"disrespected" by those friendships.

I am not trying to be overly critical or mean or antagonizing, but when people focus on how they feel like people don't "respect" them that's a red flag, because it almost always means they don't really understand what the word respect means, and they are perhaps seeking some kind of validation or admiration or treatment as an authority rather than simply being treated as a person in a dignified way.

OP I think at the end of the day if you keep making threads on here asking for help, Era offers advice, and you push back on the advice, then it's safe to say this place either isn't where you should be going to get advice, or that you aren't really asking for advice- you're asking for people to just agree with your existing viewpoint regardless of the data. Everyone needs validation and deserves it in some ways, but if you're behaving in a toxic or inappropriate way, "validating" that is really just enablement at that point, and it's dangerous and reckless.

We're still here for you and other Era members here but if you're getting diminishing returns from your attempts to get advice and help here I think it's time to get serious with therapy from a professional, seeking legit, real, licensed doctors to test you for any mental/emotional ailments, and seek treatment. If you shed the friendships you currently have through this process I think you are capable of handling that, as you already seem willing to let go of things that aren't helping you in life. Once you start healing and start adjusting to a new life with a better mental and emotional state you'll be in a much better position to work on your friendship situation- be that making new ones or repairing existing ones.

Cheers!
 
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As frustrated as a lot of folks in here seem to be with the OP and his topic(s) I think it's probably best to say that this all needs to be taken to a talk therapist to help unravel and untangle a lot of things. As others have said, work on the self-awareness and work on better articulating what it is you're seeking from friendships, why you don't think you're getting that from some of your current friendships, and why you feel attacked/slighted/"disrespected" by those friendships.

I am not trying to be overly critical or mean or antagonizing, but when people focus on how they feel like people don't "respect" them that's a red flag, because it almost always means they don't really understand what the word respect means, and they are perhaps seeking some kind of validation or admiration or treatment as an authority rather than simply being treated as a person in a dignified way.

OP I think at the end of the day if you keep making threads on here asking for help, Era offers advice, and you push back on the advice, then it's safe to say this place either isn't where you should be going to get advice, or that you aren't really asking for advice- you're asking for people to just agree with your existing viewpoint regardless of the data. Everyone needs validation and deserves it in some ways, but if you're behaving in a toxic or inappropriate way, "validating" that is really just enablement at that point, and it's dangerous and reckless.

We're still here for you and other Era members here but if you're getting diminishing returns from your attempts to get advice and help here I think it's time to get serious with therapy from a professional, seeking legit, real, licensed doctors to test you for any mental/emotional ailments, and seek treatment. If you shed the friendships you currently have through this process I think you are capable of handling that, as you already seem willing to let go of things that aren't helping you in life. Once you start healing and start adjusting to a new life with a better mental and emotional state you'll be in a much better position to work on your friendship situation- be that making new ones or repairing existing ones.

Cheers!
Thank you so much for your comment. You can't even imagine how much it helps to me. I am sorry guys, I have nothing to talk. I mostly use Era for this. I am sorry if I sounded annoying. I didn't want to.

A member here constantly say "do not reply SilentEagle" multiple times and even I said thanks to him before he is trying to start bias against me. I don't know what is his problem with me? This only makes me upset.

Yes, looks like I really need a new therapy. I actually needed it since I was 14. Maybe even earlier. Wish it wasn't that expensive.
 

Rampage

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OP I think at the end of the day if you keep making threads on here asking for help, Era offers advice, and you push back on the advice, then it's safe to say this place either isn't where you should be going to get advice, or that you aren't really asking for advice- you're asking for people to just agree with your existing viewpoint regardless of the data. Everyone needs validation and deserves it in some ways, but if you're behaving in a toxic or inappropriate way, "validating" that is really just enablement at that point, and it's dangerous and reckless.

You said this better than I could. If this were one thread, it is normal conversation. But when it has been multiple threads and good advice is being ignored over the long term, it seems like the OP is asking for negative validation. It is frustration to see the OP stuck in a negative loop, because we don't know what else to say that can help.

The OP got mad that the one poster pointed out the OP history of threads. Why? That history is important context when it comes to giving advice. That history shows a pattern of behavior of the OP and the friends. Part of pointing out "hey, you keep doing the same thing" is pointing out something in the relationships need to change. It could be you, them, both, or nothing is wrong, it just friend natural growing apart.

You can't afford therapy, that is fine. You have a diagnosis and tools from previous sessions to work with, yes? You have meds that seem to work when you take them, yes? Time to start using the tools you have.

Sorry if I am coming across harsh. I'm dealing with some mental stuff in my life, and I am personal frustrated.