It doesnt matter what i want. Discussion is about diversity. And i dont see how that can be achieved. Im not religious at all, but following the diversity rationale, this would be fulfilled.
What are you even talking about? A game depicting a war between members of a single race? You're trolling, right?
If a game is about a war between people of the same race, then no, the topic of "diversity" shifts. Is this game about that? No. Then why the hell is that relevant in any way?
Arguments in bad faith tend to make an actual discussion kinda difficult.
The new Jack Ryan series surprised me on this. Not only the put black guy as one of the main supporting cast, but the character is a black Moslem as well. I don't know how to put that kind of thing into games media, but I'm looking forward to the next lead female black Moslem action character in a game.How about a Muslim hero? Just a regular Muslim dude, do you have a problem with such a character being a hero in a video game? Or should we just forever just be targets of modern FPS games instead?
Like I said, I understand and yes it is an unfortunate thing, but that doesn't mean that suddenly inclusion of other types of minorities loses any value. That's just not true.
I agree with the intent behind your argument though, an important Muslim character in a major video game would be great. Heck, make him/her white if brown / black Muslim heroes are too tough to chew, hahaha.
The original discussion for diversity not only equity in race but also gender. ND has been including women since the days of Uncharted 1 with a notable deal of agency. Furthermore, Chloe is bi-racial and the fact that she doesn't count because her skin is "very fair light" is horseshit, absolute horseshit. And in keeping with Squadron 42's line of discussion, this was NEVER about the player protagonist per se. As such, to discount Nadine because she's not the protagonist is yet ANOTHER horseshit argument. This is some epic goal post moving I have seen in this thread.
There are women in Squadron trailer. Topic was not about having less women or LGBT representation.
And yes, please be out, because ignoring literally anything that goes against what you're trying to say is all sorts of annoying. Hell, you yourself stated that you didn't care, and then that you cared, and didn't even address what changed. And now you're on a tirade about Naughty Dog fanboys coming in to talk about how great ND is. There's no point in what you're saying.(and only has two women out of 11 central characters in your trailer)
There are women in Squadron trailer. Topic was not about having less women or LGBT representation. It was about having more non white skin people games.
It was not the actual topic but it's now thanks to fans of ND who jumped into defend them.
I've directly quoted the part of the OP where they also talk about the lack of gender diversity for you.If your vision of the future profoundly excludes the presence of people of color, especially the brown and black (and only has two women out of 11 central characters in your trailer), you are reproducing racism and today's white supremacy. It means that your desired vision of the future, even when given vast amounts of crowdsourced money in service of "creative freedom", is deeply racist.
How about a Muslim hero? Just a regular Muslim dude, do you have a problem with such a character being a hero in a video game? Or should we just forever just be targets of modern FPS games instead?
Like I said, I understand and yes it is an unfortunate thing, but that doesn't mean that suddenly inclusion of other types of minorities loses any value. That's just not true.
I agree with the intent behind your argument though, an important Muslim character in a major video game would be great. Heck, make him/her white if brown / black Muslim heroes are too tough to chew, hahaha.
In trailer but we dunno how many are in full game. Can't judge based on just trailer .
Arguments in bad faith tend to make an actual discussion kinda difficult.
But that the point. How those who believe that diversity should be kind of a strict rule are forgetting about muslims? I mean, I cant recall a single videogame in history with a muslim protagonist. Thats why I get the concern of first and second tier minorities. Also, should creators avoid certain types of minorities? In example, neonazis are -thanks god- a minority in this world, but they are clearly misrepresented on videogames. Again, im trying to understand the rationale behind this. If the objective is to represent minorities, I guess that applies for the "bad" minorities as well. Or not?
But that the point. How those who believe that diversity should be kind of a strict rule are forgetting about muslims? I mean, I cant recall a single videogame in history with a muslim protagonist. Thats why I get the concern of first and second tier minorities. Also, should creators avoid certain types of minorities? In example, neonazis are -thanks god- a minority in this world, but they are clearly misrepresented on videogames. Again, im trying to understand the rationale behind this. If the objective is to represent minorities, I guess that applies for the "bad" minorities as well. Or not?
I think it might have been this thread which introduced me to the term for the concept: Sealioning.Your question about neonazis is just ridicules and ooze 'just asking questions'.
But that the point. How those who believe that diversity should be kind of a strict rule are forgetting about muslims? I mean, I cant recall a single videogame in history with a muslim protagonist. Thats why I get the concern of first and second tier minorities. Also, should creators avoid certain types of minorities? In example, neonazis are -thanks god- a minority in this world, but they are clearly misrepresented on videogames. Again, im trying to understand the rationale behind this. If the objective is to represent minorities, I guess that applies for the "bad" minorities as well. Or not?
what the fuck
You're clearly trying to derail the conversation with insane strawmans.
HOW ARE NAZIS A MINORITY ?How so? I cant understand why is so hard to understnad that I want to fuckimng understand the original diversity argument for gods sake.
I cant see how the "bad" minorities like the mentioned one would fit into it. Is there a concensus that those minorities should be avoided because of the negative connotations of it? or they should have there place as well? Its so hard to understand that that is my question, and theres no second intentions?
How so? I cant understand why is so hard to understnad that I want to fuckimng understand the original diversity argument for gods sake.
I cant see how the "bad" minorities like the mentioned one would fit into it. Is there a concensus that those minorities should be avoided because of the negative connotations of it? or they should have there place as well? Its so hard to understand that that is my question, and theres no second intentions?
Read a book or something, damn.How so? I cant understand why is so hard to understnad that I want to fuckimng understand the original diversity argument for gods sake.
I cant see how the "bad" minorities like the mentioned one would fit into it. Is there a concensus that those minorities should be avoided because of the negative connotations of it? or they should have there place as well? Its so hard to understand that that is my question, and theres no second intentions?
How so? I cant understand why is so hard to understnad that I want to fuckimng understand the original diversity argument for gods sake.
I cant see how the "bad" minorities like the mentioned one would fit into it. Is there a concensus that those minorities should be avoided because of the negative connotations of it? or they should have there place as well? Its so hard to understand that that is my question, and theres no second intentions?
I wonder if these 2 realize that everyone understands what they are trying to do. They are here with bad faith arguments and LITERALLY no one is buying it. I appreciate the classic tactic of claiming to be doing nothing wrong, while suggesting pretty offensive things. "Why don't you get us," "we're not being rude," TF, your whole argument is rude. LOL
You literally just claimed Nazis are a minority. Either you're arguing in bad faith or you just aren't that bright. Either way, you're not fooling anyone.Let me be clear: You dont fucking know me. You dont have the right to say: Oh, yeah this guy is commenting on bad faith. Im not doing it. Period.
Nazis aren't a minority, dummy.
You didn't choose your ethnicity, but you chose to be a Nazi, dummy.
So an LGBT member that realized its sexual orientation later on its life, its not a minority, dummy?
So an LGBT member that realized its sexual orientation later on its life, its not a minority, dummy?
You literally just claimed Nazis are a minority. Either you're arguing in bad faith or you just aren't that bright. Either way, you're not fooling anyone.
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For real?
Do you think a person woke up one day and said 'Today, I choose to be gay'? Really?
So far you have done two thingsLet me be clear: You dont fucking know me. You dont have the right to say: Oh, yeah this guy is commenting on bad faith. Im not doing it. Period.
So you think being gay is a... choice?So an LGBT member that realized its sexual orientation later on its life, its not a minority, dummy?
Nazis, and (more broadly) fascists are not minorities in this world. FFSBut that the point. How those who believe that diversity should be kind of a strict rule are forgetting about muslims? I mean, I cant recall a single videogame in history with a muslim protagonist. Thats why I get the concern of first and second tier minorities. Also, should creators avoid certain types of minorities? In example, neonazis are -thanks god- a minority in this world, but they are clearly misrepresented on videogames. Again, im trying to understand the rationale behind this. If the objective is to represent minorities, I guess that applies for the "bad" minorities as well. Or not?
Nazis are a minority, thats why neonazi governments in the world are pretty much inexistant.
So an LGBT member that realized its sexual orientation later on its life, its not a minority, dummy?
The new Jack Ryan series surprised me on this. Not only the put black guy as one of the main supporting cast, but the character is a black Moslem as well. I don't know how to put that kind of thing into games media, but I'm looking forward to the next lead female black Moslem action character in a game.
Not only do i hope borges get's banned. I hope every post they've ever made on this site get's deleted.
These threads are like "come into the light" summons for trolls and racists.Agreed, but your wording destroyed me.
I'm DEAD
The great thing about these threads is how the moths just can't help but be attracted to the flame.