It's nothing new. Iron Man 3 had an extended cut only for China. It's unfortunate and I hope there's some mounting pressure for it to stop, but money talks.
Forgive me ignorance about the Iron Man movies, but...why is this "unfortunate"?
It's nothing new. Iron Man 3 had an extended cut only for China. It's unfortunate and I hope there's some mounting pressure for it to stop, but money talks.
If you want to see a great Chinese/Hollywood co-produced movie that is all the way humanist and not really complimentary of the country, see The Farewell.
Of course it's not the highest profile thing, so probably isn't under all that much political scrutiny.
If you are gonna come up with ludicrous sweeping generalizations, it's on you to provide the proof in order to convince people.If your gonna tell someone they are wrong it's on you to tell them why.
I just dared compare enabling genocide to genocide. I'm not gonna play 30 shades of moral bankruptcy in order to justify one side's entitlement to moral superiority. If we are gonna test Chinese kid movies for purity I don't see how American ones are allowed to escape the system. It's fucking 2019 and Donald Trump is in the White House. The world is a mess. Don't you dare tell me the US here of all countries has their hands clean.Dont you dare compare that to the havesting of human organs and religous genocide. 2 insanely different levels.
Theres levels to this shit. Say what you want about chinese jingoistic practices. And hollywood pandering. But you dont compare a border prison camp to full blown fucking religous genocide dude. You just dont.I just dared compare enabling genocide to genocide. I'm not gonna play 30 shades of moral bankruptcy in order to justify one side's entitlement to moral superiority. If we are gonna test Chinese kid movies for purity I don't see how American ones are allowed to escape the system. It's fucking 2019 and Donald Trump is in the White House. The world is a mess. Don't you dare tell me the US here of all countries has their hands clean.
This board has gone full on crazy.
It has Chinese language production company logos up front. I'm assuming they're Chinese production companies.
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Ray Productions is Chinese.
And they filmed in China, right? That's not surprising.
This is not borderline. It is.
I saw the film...I saw the trailer for it in the cinema and didn't think it was particularly influenced by China.
Listen, movies about America abound. They're not explicit endorsements of American government..
I think it depends on how its done.
If someone really wants to show China and their culture, its fine, as long as it wont feature political content/propaganda.
If you want to see a great Chinese/Hollywood co-produced movie that is all the way humanist and not really complimentary of the country, see The Farewell.
Of course it's not the highest profile thing, so probably isn't under all that much political scrutiny.
The difference being America doesn't ban movies like China does. Hollywood appeals to American people, not government. In China they appeal to the government not the people.
This question doesn't make any sense.
China is the most populous country in the world with centuries of traditions and history. Its people and its culture are worth celebrating. "China" is not the problem. Chinese people, Chinese culture, and Chinese stories are not a problem. You are conflating the actions of an oppressive government regime, whose greatest victims are its own people, with the entirety of China's culture and population. This is preposterous.
This sort of scaremongering and obfuscation of what people actually have a problem with (re: an oppressive and authoritarian regime) is not insightful. I imagine it is also very hurtful to Chinese people, or people of Chinese descent, to have to contend with concerns of "Chinese influence" because somebody made a well-received movie about people from their region.
This sort of paranoia is really unflattering. Chinese people are victims, survivors, and protestors, dude, not enemies. Let them have a nice movie.
Gotta admit, I had that thought when that Karate Kid remake with Jackie Chan came out several years ago. After watching it, my stepdaughter was all like "I so wanna go to China!" Lol
And the American government just enabled the genocide of one of its most reliable allies in the fight against their prime foreign enemy. Not to mention the concentration camps in the southern border. And I'm not starting threads about the cliché of how like half of Hollywood's output is pro-American jingoistic bullshit.
In this thread people have already mixed up the Chinese people, Chinese government and films made by Chinese-Americans.
Era really can't tell them apart.
In this thread people have already mixed up the Chinese people, Chinese government and films made by Chinese-Americans.
Era really can't tell them apart.
It has Chinese language production company logos up front. I'm assuming they're Chinese production companies.
edit:
Ray Productions is Chinese.
And they filmed in China, right? That's not surprising.
If you want to see a great Chinese/Hollywood co-produced movie that is all the way humanist and not really complimentary of the country, see The Farewell.
Of course it's not the highest profile thing, so probably isn't under all that much political scrutiny.
But CHINAIT WAS WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY AN AMERICAN, STARRING ANOTHER AMERICAN.
In this thread people have already mixed up the Chinese people, Chinese government and films made by Chinese-Americans.
Era really can't tell them apart.
The movie seems to stop every 10 minutes to tell you how awesome china is. It is the equivalent of a Adam Sandler film If you replace the random brands with China.When the movie starts talking about why the yetis should only have one child, you can complain.
IT WAS WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY AN AMERICAN, STARRING ANOTHER AMERICAN. PREMIERED IN AMERICA AND DISTRIBUTED BY AN AMERICAN COMPANY, FOUNDED BY ANOTHER AMERICAN.
MAYBE IF AWKWAFINA PLAYED A COP AND SHOT AN UNARMED TEENAGED BLACK MALE, WOULD THAT HELP?
I've never been to China, but it does seem like a pretty lovely country and I'm sure it has some great people there too.The movie seems to stop every 10 minutes to tell you how awesome china is. It is the equivalent of a Adam Sandler film If you replace the random brands with China.
It may not be dangerous but it just feels dirty To me.
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Again, I'm comparing full blown enabling genocide to genocide. You apparently wanna keep omitting the "enabling genocide" part to talk about the border camps again, and I find that shit offensive and ridiculously blatant. I am talking of the US enabling genocide. Wanna talk camps, we'll talk camps, but I don't know why you keep bringing that up when I'm literally comparing enabling genocide to genocide. I got way less than zero chinese pride. The shit they are doing to the Uighurs and the people of Hong Kong should offend anyone.Theres levels to this shit. Say what you want about chinese jingoistic practices. And hollywood pandering. But you dont compare a border prison camp to full blown fucking religous genocide dude. You just dont.
I dont care how much chinese pride you have. Its flat out uncomparable.
I'm not really sure what the criteria is for an indie but I can't imagine The Farewell was a lower financed production than most stuff by like Jia Zhangke or Lou Ye. Bi Gan's had a lot of success after Kaili Blues as well. I guess my question is what do you mean China doesn't do indies? There's probably a good aspect of the Chinese film making world I don't know about.The Farewell is a fully US production, China doesn't do indies.
Yeah this.Not gonna lie some of the anti-Chinese paranoia in threads like these (and holy shit every Epic thread) really borders on weird racism.
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I've never been to China and it does seem like a lovely place with a rich and old culture that I may one day visit but I paid to watch a film, not an advertisement for Chinese tourism.I've never been to China, but it does seem like a pretty lovely country and I'm sure it has some great people there too.
The PRC, the government that controls the country and it's people, I don't fuck with. But I also don't fuck with the United States government either. Doesn't mean there aren't great places here or great people.
I haven't seen the movie, so I can't speak on it, but again there's a difference between a film saying "China is a beautiful place" and "This is why we censor everything".
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I'm sure you are very proud of yourself for insinuating I"m some sort of bigot or xenophobe instead of trying to give me a reason to change my mind. In Case you forgot I actually went and paid to see the movie so the fact that it was made by china, had Chinese characters took place in china did not bother me at all. A film being secretly used to advertise as the primary motive feels dirty to me and it does feel especially dirty when there is a hint of government involvement such as the Bayformers or abominable.
I view it as two kinds of soft power. First, there is the "our country is pretty cool, come check it out" thats in Indominable, the Mt. Everest chinese climbing movie out now, most American rom-coms, NYC-based movies, etc. I'd even put Once Upon a Time in Hollywood as doing that to 60s Hollywood. I think thats perfectly fine, its a bit weird for us to process the chinese version since we're used to Hollywood America, French cinema, etc but China joining the soft power movie gang isn't a big step.
The weirder one is when it subtly tries to portray China as only good and everyone else as weak. A Wandering Earth is a great example of that, a sci fi movie set ~200 years in the future where China is shown as the leader of the world, and there are scenes in that movie where Indians are viewed as cowards (a Pakistani or Indian crew of a rescue truck decide to abandon their mission to save themselves), some other casual racism towards other countries, the films main idea that collective action tops individual freedom in times of crisis (which may be true), and in general its a movie that really demonstrates the difference between Chinese (both cultural and government) and Western values.
There are some good "lets work together for our planet" moments in that movie so I don't want it to sound like its a total "China #1!!" propaganda movie, I actually really enjoyed that movie in theaters in IMAX (its currently on Netflix) and it was based on a story by Liu Cixin, who is also behind Three Body Problem being developed by amazon. The US does this kind of movie constantly as well between most comic book movies, Transformers, Fast and Furious, etc a soft flex of "being an American is THE BEST!"
I think we'll see more and more of it in the years to come, and its definitely gonna be interesting. For 50 years we've seen Hollywood basically be an arm of American propaganda, now China is stepping into that role too.
I didn't read the book, but I was always suspicious about how much say China had in the development of The Martian, since they practically rub their superior space program in NASAs face in that movie.
Oh Hi,
I'm sure you are very proud of yourself for insinuating I"m some sort of bigot or xenophobe instead of trying to give me a reason to change my mind. In Case you forgot I actually went and paid to see the movie so the fact that it was made by china, had Chinese characters took place in china did not bother me at all. A film being secretly used to advertise as the primary motive feels dirty to me and it does feel especially dirty when there is a hint of government involvement such as the Bayformers or abominable.
I've never been to China and it does seem like a lovely place with a rich and old culture that I may one day visit but I paid to watch a film, not an advertisement for Chinese tourism.
I view it as two kinds of soft power. First, there is the "our country is pretty cool, come check it out" thats in Indominable, the Mt. Everest chinese climbing movie out now, most American rom-coms, NYC-based movies, etc. I'd even put Once Upon a Time in Hollywood as doing that to 60s Hollywood. I think thats perfectly fine, its a bit weird for us to process the chinese version since we're used to Hollywood America, French cinema, etc but China joining the soft power movie gang isn't a big step.
The weirder one is when it subtly tries to portray China as only good and everyone else as weak. A Wandering Earth is a great example of that, a sci fi movie set ~200 years in the future where China is shown as the leader of the world, and there are scenes in that movie where Indians are viewed as cowards (a Pakistani or Indian crew of a rescue truck decide to abandon their mission to save themselves), some other casual racism towards other countries, the films main idea that collective action tops individual freedom in times of crisis (which may be true), and in general its a movie that really demonstrates the difference between Chinese (both cultural and government) and Western values.
There are some good "lets work together for our planet" moments in that movie so I don't want it to sound like its a total "China #1!!" propaganda movie, I actually really enjoyed that movie in theaters in IMAX (its currently on Netflix) and it was based on a story by Liu Cixin, who is also behind Three Body Problem being developed by amazon. The US does this kind of movie constantly as well between most comic book movies, Transformers, Fast and Furious, etc a soft flex of "being an American is THE BEST!"
I think we'll see more and more of it in the years to come, and its definitely gonna be interesting. For 50 years we've seen Hollywood basically be an arm of American propaganda, now China is stepping into that role too.
You paid money for a commercial product, and don't understand why it's commercialized?Oh Hi,
I'm sure you are very proud of yourself for insinuating I"m some sort of bigot or xenophobe instead of trying to give me a reason to change my mind. In Case you forgot I actually went and paid to see the movie so the fact that it was made by china, had Chinese characters took place in china did not bother me at all. A film being secretly used to advertise as the primary motive feels dirty to me and it does feel especially dirty when there is a hint of government involvement such as the Bayformers or abominable.
I've never been to China and it does seem like a lovely place with a rich and old culture that I may one day visit but I paid to watch a film, not an advertisement for Chinese tourism.
This is getting fucking so insane and so racist so quickly
I can't tell if you're sarcastic or notIf a kids' movie made by China doesn't talk about the organ harvesting of Uyghurs then it's chinese propaganda.