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Horizon Zero Dawn Complete Edition launching on Steam this Summer
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Well it is quite boring on the forums when you suggest companies like Sony and Microsoft make the majority of their money off of third party and services rather than exclusives. Of course their counter is the exclusives drive them there in the first place but he's right, anyone who just buys exclusives isn't the customer they are really after.
Hermen Hulst says "And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title to PC doesn't necessarily mean that every game now will come to PC. In my mind, Horizon Zero Dawn was just a great fit in this particular instance."
Makes me think Horizon 2 is gonna be launch/close to PS5 launch. PlayStations are gonna fly off the shelves.
Makes me think Horizon 2 is gonna be launch/close to PS5 launch. PlayStations are gonna fly off the shelves.
But in order to sell multi-platforms in their platform they need exclusives.
Well, I saw that coming while ago and I think that the longest the gap will be from releasing a game on PS5 than to PC will be 1 year at max.
Almost everyone knows that companies don't make much money from hardware these days, their hardware is a gateway they provide for you in order to get you to buy subscriptions and software. Why not target a whole new audience and double up on their profit from the software which is their main source of profit?
But they will lose fans?
no buts or Ifs consoles aren't going away not everyone can afford powerful Pc to run the games in the best possible resolution and also many people love the convenience of consoles over PC.
the question that keeps running in my mind is would sony make in the future their own game launcher for PC? or will they do some type of exclusive deals with different lunchers. When I first heard about the rumors of HZD coming to PC I always picture it coming to Epic launcher first for some reason. It really surprised me that it showed up on steam first.
Almost everyone knows that companies don't make much money from hardware these days, their hardware is a gateway they provide for you in order to get you to buy subscriptions and software. Why not target a whole new audience and double up on their profit from the software which is their main source of profit?
But they will lose fans?
no buts or Ifs consoles aren't going away not everyone can afford powerful Pc to run the games in the best possible resolution and also many people love the convenience of consoles over PC.
the question that keeps running in my mind is would sony make in the future their own game launcher for PC? or will they do some type of exclusive deals with different lunchers. When I first heard about the rumors of HZD coming to PC I always picture it coming to Epic launcher first for some reason. It really surprised me that it showed up on steam first.
But primarily PC gamers aren't going to make PS4/5 their main system just because of a few first party games. If PC gamers want exclusives, they will buy the system (sold by Sony at break even, loss, or minuscule profit) and those games (big budget, not necessarily providing lucrative profits), but not participate in the broader ecosystem. They won't be buying anything else but exclusives, with the rest on PC. Sony tried to appeal to that crowd with PS4 Pro and it hasn't pried anyone away from gaming on PC.
As an example, and I'm speaking personally: I have a PS4, and it's only for the exclusives. I don't buy anything else on it, I don't have a PS+ sub, I don't participate in their ecosystem at all. I just buy a few exclusives on disc and play them, then leave my PS4 switched off for months until the next exclusive comes around. I'd argue it's more profitable for Sony to reach me on PC than convince me to buy a console which has a business model predicated on selling the customer dozens of games and years of subscriptions. In the scenario where I buy their games on PC, I am a profitable customer. In the scenario where I buy expensive subsidised hardware and don't participate in the real money makers, I am not a particularly profitable customer.
Exclusives are good for drawing console-only people into buying PlayStation. None of that changes if Sony publishes their games on PC, because most console-only players won't even consider the PC; they want a reasonably affordable box that plays all the games they want to play. PC gamers aren't that, and Sony should probably reach that audience in the most profitable way they can. Releasing Horizon on PC is a good move to try a new way of talking to the PC crowd, and should be applauded.
That is indeed a pretty good summary, but there's a caveat. Looking at the data I could find (http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019...ach_rate_average_player_owns_around_ten_games) it seems the attach rate is around 10 for the PS4, and it's already pretty high. So I wouldn't say that someone who buys a PS4 and is around the average in terms of software purchases has given Sony little money.
It's worth mentioning that the game has been on Steam for multiple months at that point, so it was just a troll post (or the dude wasn't involved). Just before anyone jumps to conclusions.
I believe that their intention is to have more gamers buy their consoles and then buy more games(multi-platforms/exclusives). HZD seems to be an experiment/bait in this direction. Imo Hulst says it pretty clearly in his interview.
I agree but you missed the point. They make more money if you also buy third party and pay for the services like Plus. Look at the library and top sellers, it's mostly made up of multiplat titles each month. Sony cannot afford to have AAA exclusive titles every month but they use those staples to drive interest. Those who only buy those exclusives are not the best customers was the point. Now Sony is testing the PC platform more because they don't see it as a direct threat to their console. A lot of people don't like playing on PC and a lot of people don't like playing on consoles.
Ι could honestly agree with you if they could buy 100 multiplatform studios :p, but that's not gonna happen.
For now, I believe what I wrote in my previous posts. That this is a bait.
Imo the best bait for pc gamers is 60frames in most games though.
Yeah, if it does well, and most likely it will, I can't see this being a complete one-off. That doesn't mean the floodgates will open, but they'll likely port more games from their back catalogue.
Well, they obviously can't say: "don't buy our consoles since the games will be on PC anyway", but see the post above, if the game does well, the PS5 releases and sells shitloads anyway, I doubt they'll be too worried that some extreme fanboys get pissed. The truth is the people who own both a console and a gaming PC is likely a very small segment of their consumers.
Oh I see, I just looked up and news from the announcement and they all said 59,99.
Thats why it is an experiment.
Let's not forget that XBOX is for the first time introduce itself(day one) as a multiplatform console. If this fails, I don't see sony do the same.
I hope they don't tbh. I like how they treat exclusives and imo this is because they focus on one close system.
Probably the most important point. Losing HW sales because of PC version is not much of a loss, you have a much bigger market now.
Even if Xbox fails with this new approach, I wouldn't necessarily draw the same conclusions. The Playstation brand is simply much stronger worldwide.
It's a smart move for Sony and a good thing for the consumer, but I think the marketing terms "exclusive" and "only on playstation" should be more clearly defined in order to avoid confusion and possible frustration in the customer base.
As long as they change the marketing for the game when or if it it hits pc then I think they are fine. Sony themselves might not know when or if an exclusive will make it to other platforms at the time of release. In Horizon case it's still "only on playstion" and wont change until this summer so that's when they need to stop marketing it as a exclusive and switch to their "console exlcusive" branding.
Right, this data is good as it helps give perspective. Sony might be quite content with someone buying a PlayStation 5 and, over the course of seven or so years, only purchasing 10 or so games. This might be all they need to consider it a win and, if that's the case, that might be enough incentive to bait people into buying a PlayStation 5 via relative last gen ports.
The benefit for Sony with these ports though is revenue generated from PC storefronts versus loss of console ecosystem, which is the approach Microsoft took, and I suspect what Sony will be most closely monitoring. Day-and-date PC ports may never become the norm for Sony for the foreseeable future, but if the current test (or tests) produce extremely positive results in terms of PC specific revenue I can imagine it'll shape Sony's approach moving forward. EG: Horizon 2 for PlayStation 5 exclusively, then 12 months later dropping on PC because why not.
Actually agree here. That's why I can't wrap my head around that move at all.
Fun fact: I used to be a console 'fanboy' warrior back in 2010 and wasted hours of my life arguing with strangers that Ps3 was the best.Turns out that people with ADHD have a chance to waste time arguing because the brain consider this exciting. After some therapy (I wanted to finish my master degree) I learned that and stopped completely.
So, his behavior, well, I've seen lot of people doing similar things back in the day, its not even the worst from what I remember lol
So, his behavior, well, I've seen lot of people doing similar things back in the day, its not even the worst from what I remember lol
If horizon doesnt sell well on PC I'll fall put of my seat. Then when shareholders and other parts of Sony see the amount of money that is being left on the table from not supporting exclusives on PC, you'll see a shift. It will literally cone from the top of Sony hq and the gaming team will just be tasked with carrying it out.
This is business not some fanboy twitter war on desks.
Because there's people that's never going to buy a Playstation? So might as well make money from those people as well.
This is great news.
Now for the love of Kos (some say Kosm), give us Bloodborne. The best game of the generation needs that sweet 60 FPS.
Now for the love of Kos (some say Kosm), give us Bloodborne. The best game of the generation needs that sweet 60 FPS.
Sure. I guess I'm looking at it too much from my personal view.
Because when they'll announce that all PS exclusives will come to PC eventually, I won't buy a PS5 anymore and will stay on PC exclusively. Their exclusives are the only reason for me to buy their consoles. I'm not representative of their main consumer though, obviously, so maybe it's a good strategy.
I would be very happy if all their games come to PC, even years later.
Awesome news, will totally go for a native 4K replay on release most likely. Probably an oddball here, but I'm so excited about these exclusives hitting PC that I don't even care that I already bought most of them and will be paying a second time to get a PC copy. Fortunately in the case of Halo MCC and the Quantic trilogy I had barely touched them on console.
Bloodborne would easily sell more than 1.5 million copies. They should do it.
Besides the fact that the people who buy their console only for exclusives are relatively rare, the actual money Sony would get from you is not actually that much different as you don't buy PSPlus, PSNow or any 3rd party games in their platform, and they don't make that much money on hardware sales. Sure, they'll have to pay Steam 30% (or 20 assuming it does well), but this will likely be offset by the larger audience. Besides, I guess if Sony gets serious about releasing their games on PC they might eventually create their own launcher.
Yeap I agree. They can get a schedule with a few PS4 games and then 1 year after PS5 launch start to bring PS5 games.
Their main strength to value their studios is precisely to not have to take account of all the SATA3/Pascal audience to favor a clear cut and a maximum power pump for their first and third-party exclusives. At the PS5 launch, the percentage of the Steam userbase capable of running a PS5 exclusive won't exceed a decimal, and at the current upgrade and replacement rate (now at 7-9% of Geforce serie 20 owners), it won't be financially interesting before the PS6.
This time bruteforcing won't be easy as it was in 2013 or when porting a game like HZD made to run flawlessly on seven years old laptop hardware. In nine month the current software baseline for PlayStation software will gain 6 to 8 more GPU power, 40 to 60 fastest transfert speed and access time with a filesystem tailored for flash storage and dedicated hardware for compression/decompression, all this sided with a good Ryzen desktop CPU variant on the same SoC.
Most of those users don't even make up the usual PC Gamer anyway, they tend to play usually one game Dota 2/ Counterstrike etc.
Also in 1-2 years time the midtier GPU will be more powerful than the PS5.
Also Consoles were already underpowered in 2013, the last time Consoles were on "almost" equal footing was PS3/360 launch, and then the midtier didn't take long to overpower.
People keep saying this and I'll believe the gap is this relatively enormous when I see it. For now, I don't. I fully expect to have my jaw blown off by PS5 exclusives, but this notion that only a tiny, insignificant, borderline non-existent percentage of the current PC audience wont even be able to run PlayStation 5 exclusives at all is just nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Especially when considering porting to PC is not, and never is (assuming the port isn't half arsed), bound to a single tier of hardware. Scaling is a factor, PC games generally allow for rendering and asset quality tweaks, and I fully expect games like Death Stranding and Horizon to demonstrate just how long (lower than the PS4, for that matter) these games can scale on archaic hardware. This includes resolution, which naturally is a major factor PC scaling and offers huge performance gains (and costs) where consoles are generally set for whatever they are.
I don't doubt it won't be as easy, and I fully expect Sony's first party games to milk every drop of the PlayStation 5 architecture to produce visually outstanding titles. I think the integration of the SATA3 drive in a way that only the most expensive cutting edge PC configurations can benefit from will be a huge benefit to games that make use of it.
But I also don't expect it to be anywhere near as clear cut as you're presenting. I'm more than happy to eat crow (the benefit there being the games are gorgeous and I will play them on my PlayStation 5, haha), but this notion the PlayStation 5 and/or Xbox Next is this tremendous, unfathomable, incomprehensible leap in hardware over the PC market is just a romanticism of hardware. And even if the gap is there, PC hardware will quickly catch up and, like I said, scalability exists precisely to permit lower tier PCs (assuming the PS5 is so cutting edge that it really does negate most of the PC landscape) to run the software.
That's also why I didn't argue day-and-date though. It could drop 24 months after the fact. I cannot fathom a scenario where the PlayStation 5 exists in some special performance space 24 months after launch that only $4000+ PCs can compete. It makes no sense to me, logically, given the trajectory of hardware and that Sony are bound by the same constraints as everyone else. Again, happy to eat crow, but we'll see.
For all I know, and I was trying to imply this in my post, Sony may legitimately think that the PlayStation 5 is outrageously ahead of PC and people will buy the hardware exclusively for Horizon 2. And all of this, all of this, might be absolutely 100% true. It might be, and people may. But PC gamers still wont, by and large, uproot their ecosystem and transition to PlayStation 5 until PlayStation 5 is basically a PC. It's not a compliment or criticism, it's just highlighting how different the devices are and the reasons people use them.
Cool. I own a PS4 base PS4 and it hardly gets used. I'm guessing Until Dawn might be next because that runs on Decima too. Plus it's been free on PS+ in the past.
Speaking of, why not port games that have been literally free, and potentially charge $40+ for them again? God of War is bargain bin-tier atm (seen it go for $4-5 on most sites), Bloodborne was free on PS+ and it's a 2015 games for Christ sake, etc.
Speaking of, why not port games that have been literally free, and potentially charge $40+ for them again? God of War is bargain bin-tier atm (seen it go for $4-5 on most sites), Bloodborne was free on PS+ and it's a 2015 games for Christ sake, etc.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. If PC folk want to play the game with gyro aim, they will.
Basically, will Sony's ports have Dualshock 4 support, and natively use the Dualshock 4's features like Gyro, the light, the speaker, etc.
Ok but a Steam game doesn't need any of these in order to use gyro.
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