Thought this was a good video on the current state of the graphics card market. It's kind of terrible how little progress has been made in the ~$200 GPU space in the past 4 years.
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Thought this was a good video on the current state of the graphics card market. It's kind of terrible how little progress has been made in the ~$200 GPU space in the past 4 years.
I know you need to take other factors into account, but when I built my first PC back in 2011, I got a 560Ti for something like £170 - which absolutely killed most games you could throw at it at 1080p for the next 3 or so years.
The 970 I replaced it with was a good step up even though it was almost out for a year when I got it, but the price increase was pretty substantial.
The 970 I replaced it with was a good step up even though it was almost out for a year when I got it, but the price increase was pretty substantial.
My hope is that a couple years into the PS5/XSX gen we'll be able to buy a GPU that outperforms both consoles for under $250.
The used R9 290 I got for $200 did the same thing for me.
It feels like a lifetime ago, LOL.
My 1660 Super cost 200 € on a sale when I got it in Nov. 2019.
Good price-performance ratio, low power draw, and NVENC encoding.
Good price-performance ratio, low power draw, and NVENC encoding.
It is pretty fucked up that since 2016 the $200 price point has basically been completely stale while the high end shoots pricing into the stratosphere.
Not to go too off topic, but I wonder if we'll ever see the return of the PS4 and XB1S to the shelves at $200 and below. Normally at the start of a new generation the old consoles are still on store shelves and going for a bargain price. Not everybody can afford $400 or $500 on a console. Some folks only have $150 or $200 they can spare.
So I wonder if Sony and Microsoft will produce more of those machines when things normalize again, or if they'll just move on.
So I wonder if Sony and Microsoft will produce more of those machines when things normalize again, or if they'll just move on.
"Before Polaris, that is, the Radeon 480, people weren't too interested in the x80 tier of cards..."
History revision, my old friend.
I agree with pretty much everything else said though. GPU prices have gotten out of hand. Even gaming laptops have increased in price by nearly 40-50% since 2008.
History revision, my old friend.
I agree with pretty much everything else said though. GPU prices have gotten out of hand. Even gaming laptops have increased in price by nearly 40-50% since 2008.
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Maybe they'll make these $200-250
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NVIDIA to reintroduce GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2060 SUPER to the market - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA to reintroduce GeForce RTX 2060 series A month ahead of the official GeForce RTX 3060 launch to the market, NVIDIA has plans to reintroduce its Turing cards first. Interesting information has been shared by Overclocking.com today. According to multiple sources of theirs, NVIDIA has plans...
videocardz.com
I bought a 5600XT on sale for about ~$250 w/a rebate a few free games, and the performance on it is insane for the value.
I feel like because of the poor driver support they had at launch last year, everyone wrote these cards off forever. I have had nothing but stability and can run most games at 1440p+ 90FPS or more.
I feel like because of the poor driver support they had at launch last year, everyone wrote these cards off forever. I have had nothing but stability and can run most games at 1440p+ 90FPS or more.
GPU design become scalable in the same way that with CPUs the higher up you go, the more cores you get
And the high end became putting in a lot of cores with high frequency.
And binning them down for the cheaper cards.
I'm hear the 30 series laptop GPUs are going to disappoint compared to desktop.
The cards aren't much more efficient to make a fast cheap card.
Maybe next gen?
And the high end became putting in a lot of cores with high frequency.
And binning them down for the cheaper cards.
I'm hear the 30 series laptop GPUs are going to disappoint compared to desktop.
The cards aren't much more efficient to make a fast cheap card.
Maybe next gen?
good video, i havent even though about amd cards since the 10xx line.
the APU in 2023 is an interesting idea, basically a low cost, high margin allinone that can compete with xss and ps5.
i think the marketers at nvidia know exactly what they are doing with pricing their stuff though, down to the dollar (minus scarcity) whichever one you settle on, the next one up seems "affordable" and "worth it' ex ept the 3090 which gives the prestige feel.
He also really calls it as the 3060ti being the perfect delta
Competition is good though, and matching DLSS will be a necessisty. I do tihnk with inflation etc, a 200 card might be a 250 or 299 card though.
edit: Also think Gamepass will be a player in this stuff..... and looking The Medium's min requirements...hm....
the APU in 2023 is an interesting idea, basically a low cost, high margin allinone that can compete with xss and ps5.
i think the marketers at nvidia know exactly what they are doing with pricing their stuff though, down to the dollar (minus scarcity) whichever one you settle on, the next one up seems "affordable" and "worth it' ex ept the 3090 which gives the prestige feel.
He also really calls it as the 3060ti being the perfect delta
Competition is good though, and matching DLSS will be a necessisty. I do tihnk with inflation etc, a 200 card might be a 250 or 299 card though.
edit: Also think Gamepass will be a player in this stuff..... and looking The Medium's min requirements...hm....
If Nvidia does reintroduce the RTX 2060 and the Super version to the market, it'd make sense to price it $200-250 since we're already have 3060Ti and soon 3060. But I'm afraid that Nvidia will use their original MSRP, just like the article suggests, to exploit the shortage and maximize their profit :/Maybe they'll make these $200-250
NVIDIA to reintroduce GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2060 SUPER to the market - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA to reintroduce GeForce RTX 2060 series A month ahead of the official GeForce RTX 3060 launch to the market, NVIDIA has plans to reintroduce its Turing cards first. Interesting information has been shared by Overclocking.com today. According to multiple sources of theirs, NVIDIA has plans...
I used to shop in this price range (assuming £ = $ as they traditionally have in the GPU space) as I got my GTX 1060 6GB for £210 4 years ago. I just learned to accept that I needed to step up to a higher price point this time around which is why I ended up with an RTX 3070. It's a shame but I don't see it changing anytime soon, so it's just something PC gamers will need to come to terms with.
Yep. PC gaming isn't for the average consumer anymore. It's become a high end hobby. And Nvidia is going to profit like crazy from it.
Prices have increased slightly but the 1660 is $229.
I paid less for a 3060 Ti than I did for a 1070, and covered 2/3 of the cost by selling the old card.
It's absolutely not required to spend $500 on a GPU these days, and I thought the regular 3050 was due to be released soon.
A lot of people seem to have difficulty wrapping their heads around the fact that NVIDIA moved every card down a tier with the 20-series though: 2070 replaced the 1080, not the 1070 etc.
Performance didn't move that way though. The 2070 performs close to the 1080 in games that don't use RT or DLSS (which weren't really available when it was released). Usually, xx70 cards of the new gen perform roughly the same as the previous gen's xx80ti offering. It took until the 2070 Super for that to become a reality in the Turing gen. So, from my point of view, they not only didn't move the xx70 series towards the xx80, but their initial offering with Turing was worse than how things had usually been in the past.
Price tiers have generally been based on die size, and dies got a lot bigger with the 20-series.
The problem is that Turing was inefficient at that node size, so you did not gain much rasterization performance. No-one should have bought the non-Super cards.
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GTX 460 (GF104) - 332mm² | GTX 480 (GF100) - 529mm²
GTX 560 (GF114) - 360mm² | GTX 580 (GF110) - 520mm²
GTX 670 (GK104) - 294mm² | GTX 680 (GK104) - 294mm²
GTX 770 (GK104) - 294mm² | GTX 780 (GK110) - 561mm²
GTX 980 (GM204) - 398mm² | GTX 980 Ti (GM200) - 601mm²
GTX 1080 (GP104) - 314mm² | GTX 1080 Ti (GP102) - 471mm²
RTX 2060 (TU106) - 445mm² | RTX 2080 (TU104) - 545mm²
RTX 3060 Ti (GA104) - 392mm² | RTX 3080 (GA102) - 628mm²If anything, the RTX cards have brought larger die sizes to a lower price point now, and it's the '70 series cards which are overpriced - with the 2070/3070 having the same die size as the 2060 Super/3060 Ti.
Note that the 680 was an outlier, where they tried to sell the mid-range chip as a high-end part - and they were rightfully dragged for it.
I feel like I've just been priced out of PC gaming. There's no low-to-mid-range any more. I always used to go for the $400ish card until I splashed out on a $600 1070 back in 2016 (Australian dollars), but now you can't even buy anything for less than $800 here. And that's if you can get your hands on anything at all. I'd rather just go back to consoles for this generation, to be honest, and hope things turn around in a few years.
There's a supply/scalping issue going on right now which is driving up prices.
The 1070 FE launched at $699 AUD and the 3060 Ti FE is priced at $688 AUD.
Adjusting for inflation, the 1070 FE would be $750 today.
It's CPUs I'd be complaining about, with AMD driving prices up dramatically after the success of Ryzen.
No-one seemed to blink an eye when they introduced the highest-priced consumer CPU on the market and stopped pushing forward the number of cores at certain price points as soon as they were selling large numbers of them.
Back when they first launched, the appeal of Ryzen was getting twice as many cores as Intel at the same price. That soon stopped.
I'm hoping the 3050 is reasonably next-gen ready for gaming at 1080p to replace my 1060. Can't really justify spending $300 or more on a GPU nowadays. That coupled with a R5 3600 will hopefully set me up for the rest of the gen.
If that doesn't pan out, I'll be coasting my 1060 during the cross-gen period and wait for the next GPU generation.
If that doesn't pan out, I'll be coasting my 1060 during the cross-gen period and wait for the next GPU generation.
I mean, die size doesn't mean a lot to me in this case... It doesn't really matter to me is the die size has been increased if I'm not getting increased performance while having to pay more for the card.
I mean... The low-end isn't exactly a profitable market to cater to anymore - Especially not in our brave new world of component + material shortages and FAANG companies buying up entire production-schedules for factories.
Those who are left picking up the table-scraps of Apple and Samsung are going to maximize the BANG they get out of what they're able to get their hands on for Production.
Think of it like trying to get a reservation at Dorsia - The big spenders are always going to be the ones who the business puts the most priority on pleasing.
Tariffs and the pandemic mean that what was once a $200 GPU is now a $270-300 GPU
www.tomshardware.com
GPUs Are Getting a Lot More Expensive Due to Tariffs
GPUs just don't get a break
I thought the 8GB 5500 XT was a great $200 GPU, especially with AMD's drivers getting better all the time.
Then prices went koo-koo.
Then prices went koo-koo.
To be fair GPU prices are currently elevated, first by the increased demand due to COVID and then again due to shortages of the new cards. EDIT: and now up again due to tarrifs.
Looking at Ebay I see the 1070 I put in my PC two years ago runs roughly the same price as it was when I bought it.
If there wasn't such a boon at the moment the card would probably be $100-150 cheaper.
And of course there was the mining rush not too long before that.
The disappearance of affordable cards is partially do to the market.
Looking at Ebay I see the 1070 I put in my PC two years ago runs roughly the same price as it was when I bought it.
If there wasn't such a boon at the moment the card would probably be $100-150 cheaper.
And of course there was the mining rush not too long before that.
The disappearance of affordable cards is partially do to the market.
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5500 XT was pretty much the same performance level as the RX 480/580/590 though, and they'd been floating around the same price point for most of their existence, so really more of a side-grade than anything else.
I think we are going to see four GPUs that are within $50 of $250. Two from Nvidia, two from AMD.
For example $279.99 and $229.99 from NVidia. $299.99 and $249.99 from AMD
For example $279.99 and $229.99 from NVidia. $299.99 and $249.99 from AMD
It's becoming harder and harder to justify a PC as second system next to my PS5. Granted, it shouldn't be too hard to find an upgrade for a 1050, but it does seem like a substantial upgrade would cost me 300-400 euro. It's just very different from the times where I bought dual 4850's or a Geforce 4 TI.
I remember seeing the reaction to the release info last year of new GPU's, and how they are incredibly cheap. I was only thinking "holy crap that's a lot of money".
Old guy out
I remember seeing the reaction to the release info last year of new GPU's, and how they are incredibly cheap. I was only thinking "holy crap that's a lot of money".
Old guy out
They've been making GPUs for over two decades now.
Their first stand-alone card failed but it resulted in a graphics chipset they could efficiently integrate into laptops and eventually their CPUs.
Their latest initiative into making a stand-alone card has also failed to produce something that could be commercially competitive (they were planning to create some small GPU cards and put them in their new NUCs that have the CPU in a daughterboard but I don't know what came of that) but it has resulted in their new Tiger Lake integrated graphics improving by leaps and bounds and finally becoming competitive with AMDs integrated graphics.
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This is Intel’s first discrete graphics card in 20 years, but you can’t buy one
Despite the look, it’s not really a desktop GPU.
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I think what the video is saying is that the particular price-point is just right for a lot of people building PCs, and previously you could spend that on a GPU and get something that was "good enough" for most people in terms of performance - and there's just not something filling that niche.
I'm still rocking my R9 280x that I originally got for altcoin mining in 2013...! I only play 1080p over Steam Link and it does the job just fine for most games I play, no complaints.
Remember when top of the line cards were around $300?
With the rapidly rising prices and severe shortages that have come and gone for the last few years, it makes me wonder how long the market can take this before PC gaming starts to decline, if that's even possible. It's just so damn hard and expensive to build a mid range PC these days.
With the rapidly rising prices and severe shortages that have come and gone for the last few years, it makes me wonder how long the market can take this before PC gaming starts to decline, if that's even possible. It's just so damn hard and expensive to build a mid range PC these days.
I got my RX580 in 2017 and was looking to upgrade to something slightly newer and quieter, but doesn't look likely any time soon
Guess I'll hold out for another year(?)
Guess I'll hold out for another year(?)
Yeah, the RX 580 still being the king at $200 is a big spicy meme, people wanna blame bitcoin or something, but really AMD/Nvidia are just enjoying their profits, the fact they can make money selling Microsoft a RDNA2 RX 5500 in a $299 Console is quite telling.
RTX 3060 for $329 is okay though, really should maybe be $250, it's quite cut down from the 3060 Ti.
RTX 3060 for $329 is okay though, really should maybe be $250, it's quite cut down from the 3060 Ti.
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The severe shortages are because demand is at an all time high. They're not a sign of market decline, quite the opposite actually.
Unfortunately, my R9 290 is completely dead. It's corpse is boxed up in my apartment somewhere.
RIP, you loud, hot, beautiful bastard....
When was this? I just looked up some old MSRP info from over a decade ago and it looks like the top end cards have always been at least $500.
True, but it used to be pretty easy to get the step down GPU up to top tier performance with overclocking and voltage adjustments. There wasn't much a 5850 couldn't handle in its day. That was AMD's last big win.