Maybe she can lose to another joke character next time. Gop can trot out Kris angel or something
Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists
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Maybe she can lose to another joke character next time. Gop can trot out Kris angel or something
Don't let yourself get browbeat by bad arguments.
Racism and Xenophobia are still Racism and Xenophobia, regardless of if it's directed at your country's own citizens or immigrants seeking to move there.
Don't mince words, they are treated like 'others' and separate people very much like immigrants.
You either need to take 5 damage or let them draw 3 cards.
intimidate (someone), typically into doing something, with stern or abusive words.
"a witness is being browbeaten under cross-examination"
"a witness is being browbeaten under cross-examination"
If anything, we should be letting in refugees from the middle east since the bush admin had to fuck it all up.
But the cons gonna con.
But the cons gonna con.
I champion people worth championing. Progressive ideals are not achieved by pandering to the alt-right or, in Clinton's case, by being a right-leaning democrat.
It's funny how threatened some dems feel by people like AOC and Bernie. Democratic socialism shouldn't be optional anymore. The push for single payer, living wages, free education is happening. And it's not with leaders like Clinton lol.
You can have it be Democratic, or you can have it be optional. You can't have both.
Ahh, makes sense.
My initial argument that europe is awful at integrating various ethnic and national minorities (look up kymlickas explanations of those if you wish) is still true.
My argument they should use Canada as an example however may have missed the mark.
But again, my statement of what the problem is is still true.
This is in the context of the democratic party. It's hyperbole but the meaning of my post is clear. But nitpicking is fine too i guess.
The moral thing would be to do that, yes. The risk is that it'll explode the alt-right's popularity in Europe which will have dire consequences.
Do we want 30 Trumps controlling Europe?
I meant we as in the U.S.
E.U has more than pulled their weight already.
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1066053492345839617?s=19
Hillary posted a thread in response to the response to her comments.
EDIT: didn't see that it was already posted, because nobody seemed to respond to or acknowledge it. Whoops.
Hillary posted a thread in response to the response to her comments.
EDIT: didn't see that it was already posted, because nobody seemed to respond to or acknowledge it. Whoops.
I would have loved to have seen Merkel's reaction after hearing of these comments.
Hillary has pushed for increasing the minimum wage, universal healthcare, and education expansion for literally decades. You are a 23 year old Canadian. Not only were you not in the US, you weren't even born when Hillary Clinton was the biggest and most prominent face for the push for universal healthcare. Stop acting like you are a goddamn expert in another country's political history. There are actually Resetera users that were both alive and present to witness what liberal and Democrats did and didn't push for.
this response fucking sucks as is consistent with Hillary's responses to all attacks
I found it very aggravating when I thought the attacks were unjustified and it's even worse when they ARE justified
Yeah...not being born in the U.S shouldn't matter when it comes to opinions on U.S politics, especially in the time that we're in. Meddling and all.
Many Americans are more than happy to state their opinions on other countries' affairs, both ignorant and educated.
What that poster said was valid.
Not being born in America has no effect on your opinions but it's undeniable that many people express extensive opinions on American politics that are based on fundamentally misunderstanding how American politics works and what America is like
I, too, remember Hillary Clinton voting for the Iraq War, which is one of the many reasons why there is a refugee crisis. When it comes to war, Hillary isn't progressive.
Boom, thank you.
I can say with confidence that I see the same from Americans almost all the time.
Yeah, her comments in that Twitter thread appear to be at direct odds with this statement from her interview:
It just seems like she's trying to have it both ways.
Yeah, there are plenty of posters that do take time to actually learn about a country's politics. Hillary herself has absolutely made some mistakes, as Helio points out. She is too hawkish on military issues, and it is by far my largest complaint with her as a politician.
But I will endlessly stand my ground and push back against users that totally gloss over her liberal stances on social issues, or invoke arbitrary political spectrums that paint her as Right among Democrats, as opposed to pretty much all tracking systems that place her around the 75th percentile of Senators in terms of liberal history and stances.
She is not to the right of the Democratic median unless that scale literally only encompasses military positions.
She's framing restrictions on refugees as "fair enforcement of immigration laws."
Literally a statement Trump was criticized for making last week!
No queen
A lot of Americans, including liberals, don't really care about our foreign policy all that much unfortunately :(. Our imperialism has a deleterious effect on the world.
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I'm surprised that in that interview Renzi is the one that identifies that the problem is not immigration, but fear of immigration
Humanity is so fucked up right now. The idea what we can choose to turn our backs on refugees, especially those whose country's we have have directly played a part in destroying during decades of problematic foreign policy... man it's just so gross on so many levels.
Yeah, unfortunately. If they did they'd understand the ire that a lot of the world has towards their politicians.
Hilary had her part in a lot of this, so saying shit like this is irresponsibly stupid.
My opinion of her isn't good to say the least.
I live in New Zealand and our very non-center left party leader has also said some contentious things about immigration that actually helped her get elected. (However the situation in our country is itself contentious in ways that are very different than elsewhere.)
You're never going to ever agree with anyone 100% about anything and heavy disagreements are basically guaranteed. You need to fight for the best wins and not the worst losses. Alas.
This isn't an apology, it's "it's your fault for not understanding why I said what I said/did what I did," which is very typical of her.
appease the racists, says powerful woman who helped craft policies leading towards these conditions
i backed HRC last go around but hoo boy can we do better next time
i backed HRC last go around but hoo boy can we do better next time
What's especially frustrating is that the foreign policy democrats have engaged in helped this sentiment and instead of trying to get at the root of the problem, she's suggesting that we appease these racists and fascists. It's aggravating.
Did you read the tweet? Cause anyone who read that tweet knows she's full of shit.
This.
But it wouldn't be a proper Hillary Clinton topic without every foreign policy mistake the US has made in the last 20 years being directly contributed to her.
It was a stupid quote. Thankfully, she's aware enough to know when she's said something stupid and correct it.
Because saying she was a part of it is saying she was in charge, huh.
Settle down with the hyperbole, chief. Shit's dismissive.
A non-apology isn't what I would call correcting it.
Nor would I just call it a "stupid quote".
I have no doubt she believes what she said.
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I don't think anyone is saying that she is fully responsible for these things. We're saying that she had a part in it.
There is no actual contrition in her tweets today. Just more or less the same things she said to The Guardian, worded differently.
Did there need to be contrition? I think she meant what she originally said, but then later gave more details. I think people are taking her to mean something she doesn't mean here (shutting down borders to appease the alt-right), instead of what she's actually saying (conservatives compassionate immigration reform of the sort conservatives globally have pushed back on for decades).
As for how I feel about that? Well, as for a lot of what Democrats push these days I don't think it goes nearly far enough. But her statement given more context isn't nearly as inflammatory as they initially seemed. Did you read her speech?
god damn nerd
(I haven't played the game in like 15 years and it was still the first thing I thought of before you even said anything)
The game really is incredible for expanding your vocabulary since with a 1000+ new cards a year their thesaurus gets a beating.
When? As "wife of the President"? Or as "Senator from New York state"? Yeah, she was Secretary of State for a few years, a position with only as much power as the President (again, not Hillary Clinton) allows. Obama took her advice to stop Qaddafi from massacring tens of thousands in Benghazi, and then promptly ignored everything else she thought we should do there. Ditto for Syria. Considering how those situations turned out, maybe she actually should have been in charge of foreign policy during the Arab Spring.
Literally the only concrete thing you folks have on her is her vote for war in Iraq, which she's admitted was a mistake and explained ad nauseum. But it's totally her fault that the Middle East has been a smoldering hell hole for the better part of three decades.
Hillary Super Predator Clinton throwing minorities under the bus for political gain? I'm shocked.
As most people here that understand the crisis were in. There wouldn't be Refugees at this level if we didn't tear apart the middle East and force regime change. Take some responsibility Hilary, I expect much more from you. Dissapointing to read her tone-deaf remark.
Easier said than done because this stuff can't be done on the national level, as "immigration to EU country" means immigration to any EU country due to Schengen. Germany and others don't need a "migration act", the EU needs one. And since there are certain moron countries in the, this isn't going to be feasible for the next few decades, probably
Steve Bannon is literally a joke to most right wingers, because what he and most Americans apparently fail to understand is, that he, himself, is in fact a foreigner, and xenophobic parties in europe aren't exactly keen of those.
It's not about what she says but what she believes. And that sentence was very much consistent with what she stands for.