Oh gosh you guys, it's just so hard to date people without accidentally raping them.
Hi, I'm Henry Cavill, Apollo made flesh. So nice to rape you. Um, meet you. Jeez oh man, it's so easy to confuse these things.
The Apollo part got me good lol
Oh gosh you guys, it's just so hard to date people without accidentally raping them.
Hi, I'm Henry Cavill, Apollo made flesh. So nice to rape you. Um, meet you. Jeez oh man, it's so easy to confuse these things.
Let's quote this sensitive genius again:
Being misread -> Getting called a rapist
Trying harder after being rejected -> Going to jail
Really now? There's zero sensitive issue here to discuss when he puts it like that. It's nonsense projection, hyperbole, and MRA bullshit.
rjinaz answered it well.Which post? I don't want my comment to be taken out of context and offend anyone.
I like how the reaction in this thread is exactly what he was trying to point out.
Sure, he could have phrased it better but it's pretty straightforward what he's saying. And for the most part i think he's right. Everything and can be used to label someone as a creeper now a days.
I might excuse this as just a tonedeaf expression of male anxiety over seeing popular male figures come under fire for sexual indiscretions, but the statement about pursuing women after they tell you no is worrying. I don't think ignoring a woman's objections to your advances is a necessary component of dating.
I mean coming from one of the most attractive men in the world, the whole thing is ridiculous. Pretty much every woman I know is in love with the guy.
Why is this such a hard thing for some people to understand? Honest question. It baffles meWTF is this shit? You get a no, then you leave her alone, go home or move on to someone else. What a jackass.
Maybe just stop when you get a hard "no" and move on.Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
And note to mods, please see my original post. Not trying to excuse any misbehavior, just trying to understand where he's coming from and hopefully add some more to the discussion rather than just write him off as some jerk when I or nobody here actually has met or known this man
I think pursue is the wrong word. If a women gets up and walks away at a bar you shouldn't keep following them and spitting gameI might excuse this as just a tonedeaf expression of male anxiety over seeing popular male figures come under fire for sexual indiscretions, but the statement about pursuing women after they tell you no is worrying. I don't think ignoring a woman's objections to your advances is a necessary component of dating.
It isn't a real problem. It's not some kind of epidemic where men have literally stopped dating women because false accusations are flying. Creepers being called out is what's happening. It's definitely not a problem Caville should have to worry about unless he is a creeper. And NO should always mean no.I like how the reaction in this thread is exactly what he was trying to point out.
Sure, he could have phrased it better but it's pretty straightforward what he's saying. And for the most part i think he's right. Everything and can be used to label someone as a creeper now a days.
Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
And note to mods, please see my original post. Not trying to excuse any misbehavior, just trying to understand where he's coming from and hopefully add some more to the discussion rather than just write him off as some jerk when I or nobody here actually has met or known this man
Ok, this is so wrong.
First, even if you are not considering how rare it is for false accusations to happen and just trying to compare the two as if they happened equally, one is sexual assault, and one is not. They are NOT equal. They are both bad things, but NOT equal.
Then when you take the time to consider how often sexual assault happens and how seldom false accusation happen, your view is, well rather disgusting.
Still waiting for where rape and jail come in.Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
And note to mods, please see my original post. Not trying to excuse any misbehavior, just trying to understand where he's coming from and hopefully add some more to the discussion rather than just write him off as some jerk when I or nobody here actually has met or known this man
Has anyone brought this up with their friends and family? What's their response to this take?
I'm sure famous and rich people have to worry about false accusations more than normal folk, but I'm still seeing this as not a problem. What's stopping him from "wooing" someone in public?
Just want to say: I love your username. Pretty subtle lol.
They aren't equally prevalent and it's a pointless thing to say anyway, since nobody is arguing that false accusations aren't bad.I think that is all he wanted to say, they are both bad. I don't think he was trying to say the problems are both equally prevalent.
Yeah, I agree.Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
And note to mods, please see my original post. Not trying to excuse any misbehavior, just trying to understand where he's coming from and hopefully add some more to the discussion rather than just write him off as some jerk when I or nobody here actually has met or known this man
Why is this such a hard thing for some people to understand? Honest question. It baffles me
"Now? Now you really can't pursue someone further than, 'No'. It's like, 'OK, cool'
I didn't see anything wrong in what he was saying, until his part about when they say "no".
While I can somewhat understand his idea of saying "you shouldn't give up on trying to get the girl" as a romanticized/stereotypical scenario in movies where a girl will eventually see something in someone who doesn't give up on them (even though I hate that trope), a no should still mean a no and at this point you are not respecting their boundaries.
What the fuck this is, 4ch reposting this thread or something?I get what he's trying to say. He doesn't want to give some woman an opening to #MeToo his ass.
Then I guess, these women will just have to learn to adjust their methods, no biggie.I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested.
I get what he says, see no issues. Maybe not communicated 100% as it should be but I get it. The outrage in this thread is absurd.
If you think thousands of emerging allegations of abuse are on equal footing with a tiny number of false accusations comparatively, in terms of importance, it's safe to say you don't really care too much for the waves of victims stepping forward.I think that is all he wanted to say, they are both bad. I don't think he was trying to say the problems are both equally prevalent.
Yep. If you believe women are just out to get men, then all you're paying attention to is how often these stories are coming out, instead of whether they are actually true or not.Male anxiety over approaching or working with women after #MeToo is just the dumbest. And its rooted in a implication that accusations are false or exaggerated
Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
And note to mods, please see my original post. Not trying to excuse any misbehavior, just trying to understand where he's coming from and hopefully add some more to the discussion rather than just write him off as some jerk when I or nobody here actually has met or known this man
Why is this so difficult to understand. I'm somehow not surprised about Cavill not being the sharpest knife though.Are some people not seeing the insane logic he's applying here? He goes from talking to a woman and then being accused of rape. Like what? It's just an insane leap.
You can talk to women dude. You can even show interest. But once she gives you the flat out "no" it's done.
Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
And note to mods, please see my original post. Not trying to excuse any misbehavior, just trying to understand where he's coming from and hopefully add some more to the discussion rather than just write him off as some jerk when I or nobody here actually has met or known this man
..... Why would you ask her again if she said no? Why not instead just move on to someone else?So, if I asked a girl out on a date, and she said no...
I don't get to ask her again? Maybe get a haircut, spend some time on myself first?
When I read his statement, that's what I took from that. If he means physical advances, it's not okay. But, is asking twice no longer okay?
Reread my post. I've been in actual conversations where this happened, where someone has said "that girl was interested. She wanted you to keep talking to her." And I've spoken with women who've been surprised when men stopped talking to them after they sent a signal implying that they're not interested. He's saying he feels like he's in a no win situation because if he stops talking to a woman she may say "why did you stop? I was interested" but if he continues he might later hear "you're sexually harassing me, leave me alone" or worse, later see "I felt victimized" on a headline as someone interviews the person he was talking to. He's saying honestly that he doesn't know how to navigate the dating scene anymore since clearly he's not reading about the nuances and is just seeing "x male has been accused of sexual misconduct" and he's afraid he's going to be "next" so to speak.
And note to mods, please see my original post. Not trying to excuse any misbehavior, just trying to understand where he's coming from and hopefully add some more to the discussion rather than just write him off as some jerk when I or nobody here actually has met or known this man