I belive in good and evil but don't think they're is an entity watching us. At least not as pictured by some religions.
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Having lived through 2020-do you believe in the concept of a just and loving God?
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Terrible things don't make me believe in a just and loving god, but they make me want to believe in one who's prepared an afterlife that fixes all the injustices in the world. Countless people suffered through their lives and passed away without any recompense. No amount of money, beautiful words, or kind actions can ever fix what the dead (and many of the living) have gone through. So, yeah, I do think it'd be great if there were a sort of paradise after death. A place beyond our comprehension that, somehow, really does make things worth it for even those who have suffered greatly. Wanting to believe and actually believing are separate things though. That said, not wanting to believe seems like an unbearable worldview to me.
What kind of god gives man opposable thumbs and a dick and then punishes him for jerking off?
Seriously though, if I choose to believe in something I'd rather have like a pantheon to work with. At least then even if the gods are dicks you can worship whoever fits your individual needs and values the most. Monotheism is such a stifling concept.
Seriously though, if I choose to believe in something I'd rather have like a pantheon to work with. At least then even if the gods are dicks you can worship whoever fits your individual needs and values the most. Monotheism is such a stifling concept.
Meh, humanity has been through/done/continues to do worse than in general what 2020 brought to the table. Rampant stupidity, not being advisable to go out, and background trash fires rising to the surface to the global eye doesn't bat an eye to half the crap in our history. Not enough to question faith anyway.
You would hope that atheist reasoning wouldn't be so strawman or hostile, especially when someone just wants to discuss and not necessarily convert. A lot of people here also don't fully grasp polyamory but they don't mock the concept.
Why should people mock a concept that doesn't harm anyone and never will and can't have any power over anyone?
Church on the other hand? Oh boi
I believe in people's right to believe in what brings them comfort and hope. Just as long as they give the same courtesy to others.
People have lived through worse times than this and still had the blinkers on. If anything it makes them double down.
what a self centered view of things. A little over a million people died to covid 19, according to the UN 820 million people suffered from famine last year. 85000 children alone died in Yemen since 2016.
If human suffering was a disqualifier for belief then apparently only when you personally are affected ever so slightly.
If human suffering was a disqualifier for belief then apparently only when you personally are affected ever so slightly.
I wasn't insinuating that we should mock anything we don't understand. I'm saying that if there's someone who wants to sincerely discuss stuff like this, then let them discuss.
There have been discussions about religion and spirituality from expert for a very very long time and people have made up their mind.
And yes, it is okay to mock the church or something else, because why should they get a free pass from criticism and being mocked?
Do I or we hate people because they believe on something? No. Do we have to remotely think it's good or benefitial? No.
Nothing from the entirety of human existence had me believing in fairy tales so 2020 ain't got shit on all of human history. Just one more year to add to the shitpile.
I personally think there's a possibility of a higher entity that does its own thing. Like it has a job, just like anyone else, but it's not concerned with human affairs.
The pandemic could be attributed to how humans interact with animals. Cancer is something else entirely though.
The pandemic could be attributed to how humans interact with animals. Cancer is something else entirely though.
I've loooooong moved on from religion, so 2020 is just another year for me in that aspect.
Material conditions aren't going to improve much following 2020 as the planet continues to burn, so I hope the communal aspect of religion survives because folks are going to need some support systems.
Just need to strip religion of all the unnecessary stuff that keeps people divided for no reason.
like whatever is keeping white evangelicals (gotta be specific here) trapped in their bullshit needs to be addressed immediately and treated as a public health issue:
Material conditions aren't going to improve much following 2020 as the planet continues to burn, so I hope the communal aspect of religion survives because folks are going to need some support systems.
Just need to strip religion of all the unnecessary stuff that keeps people divided for no reason.
like whatever is keeping white evangelicals (gotta be specific here) trapped in their bullshit needs to be addressed immediately and treated as a public health issue:
If you believe god is just and loving after slavery, the holocaust, and Congo genocide by King Leopold II you're too far gone
My thoughts exactly. For America, this has been a hard year. But in terms of cumulative human history? This year is just a blip. Humanities' suffering has been much deeper and much broader than any single year can be blamed for.
"Having lived through 2020" is right in the thread title. Maybe OP wasn't kickin it back in 1944, and maybe 99.99% of this forum wasn't either.
Setting aside the fact that recorded human history has seen much much worse times than 2020, the concept of a loving and just god (if you choose to believe in one) wouldn't be in question. If we take most current description of deities (setting aside ancient gods which were modelled much closer to human traits) nearly all of them leave a lot up to people themselves.
This pandemic can't be balmed on anyone but us. We let it get so bad. We continue to allow it to spread. (And by us I mean humanity itself)
This pandemic can't be balmed on anyone but us. We let it get so bad. We continue to allow it to spread. (And by us I mean humanity itself)
There is something that gives me hope out there. The universe is capable of some beautiful things.
But I also don't claim to have any answers about stuff that is beyond what can be proven. And I don't listen to others who claim to know something about it either.
For every tragedy, there are amazing people that give me hope too. My wife sacrificed her own health to treat COVID patients for example, and did so without any hesitation. My friends marched at rallies and others I know volunteered at polls.
Surrounding myself with people of that nature gives me tremendous hope on a daily basis. Sometimes things have to get bad to tell you what really matters... even if the concept of "mattering" at all is a social or psychological construct.
But I also don't claim to have any answers about stuff that is beyond what can be proven. And I don't listen to others who claim to know something about it either.
For every tragedy, there are amazing people that give me hope too. My wife sacrificed her own health to treat COVID patients for example, and did so without any hesitation. My friends marched at rallies and others I know volunteered at polls.
Surrounding myself with people of that nature gives me tremendous hope on a daily basis. Sometimes things have to get bad to tell you what really matters... even if the concept of "mattering" at all is a social or psychological construct.
Your justification for all of this is incredibly sad and hilarious.
Criticizing the actions of organized religion is one thing, but loaded threads meant specifically to antagonize our religious members are another. In light of this, and the immeasurable stress the Trump administration and election have caused, this thread is being closed.
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