Lmao no. That jock text is incredibly telling, dude probably has a /pol/ tab open at this very moment.
Harvard rescinds admission to Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv over past racist comments
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Again, until he proves otherwise, the victims of racism, Black people and Jews in this case for just existing, can assume he will never change until he proves otherwise.
Most racists don't change. Why do you think it matters that some don't think he will change? Apparently some do or you wouldn't be taking issue with it, so he has some people in his corner to encourage some change if he needs or wants it.
I totally get that people are dumb and even racist and can change and grow, but there are plenty of people who just arent dumb and racist and being able to grow and change doesnt mean you get to go to harvard.
Your dumb racist ass paid the price by not getting to go to Harvard. Own your dumb bullshit, grow and change and go somewhere else.
Your dumb racist ass paid the price by not getting to go to Harvard. Own your dumb bullshit, grow and change and go somewhere else.
For sure, not only the responsibility but the right to refuse anyone I believe under these circumstances.
"Harvard reserves the right to withdraw an offer of admission under various conditions," Fitzsimmons wrote to Kashuv, "including 'if you engage or have engaged in behavior that brings into question your honesty, maturity, or moral character,'"
I definitely don't think he has the right to go to any school and 2 years isn't long enough to prove he has changed.
I just don't want to condemn the guy for life at 18-19, see if he uses this as fuel for a platform or if he actually does change as a person in the coming years.
Hindsight apologies cause you got caught don't mean squat.
Who would've thought the the right-wing guy was crazy racist?
wana party up for some fortnite
The good news is, he's White and from a wealthy family, and he already has connections, including a no doubt sympathetic Trump administration. Dude will be fine. These racists teens always seem to be.
"This legal adult is just a kid so let's defend him so he can continue on the path of making actual kids lives a living hell just because they're brown"
I might have felt some sympathy for him, but his thread ruined any that I could muster for him.
Ignore the attention seeking he is doing. Or the fact even in his written correspondences he attempted to trivialize his actions and play the sympathy card to marginalize any prior actions. He seriously then stomped around and called Harvard racist as a defense?
Ignore the attention seeking he is doing. Or the fact even in his written correspondences he attempted to trivialize his actions and play the sympathy card to marginalize any prior actions. He seriously then stomped around and called Harvard racist as a defense?
Even people who aren't half as invested in far-right ideology as he is haven't made a complete 180 that easily, so I don't know what kind of miracles people are expecting when his trajectory for the near future is pretty clear.
It's also weird people are trying to say his only racist actions are from when he was 16 and clearly he's grown since then while conveniently ignoring he's part of TP USA and buddied up with Trump. Of course Harvard can't point to those examples as reasons for rejecting him but everyone else can and should point out that he's still a flagrant racist.
I agree. And since Harvard has like an infinite pool of "perfect" applicants, it makes total sense for them to toss his slot to someone better. If you want to go to the best school, you have to be and behave your best, and this kid clearly didn't.
Not to drag this off-topic, but this is quite reminiscent of the situation my university was in last year (and still is, I guess, since the individual in question still studies here):
The LSE quite literally accepted the face of the Charlottesville rally as a postgraduate student. It was a matter of significant debate among staff and students. Notably, the post-colonialist theorists came out strongly in favour of the guy being allowed to stay on as a student - which is an unexpected development.
In some ways, the LSE situation is more egregious than Harvard simply because it harbours large numbers of international students, particularly PoC and Muslim students - including large numbers from Syria, South-East Asia and Africa. The issues really came down to the following points:
a) The LSE, much like Harvard, is (historically-speaking) guilty of both accepting students and funding from less-than-reputable sources. In the LSE's case, it famously accepted Muammar Gaddafi's son and large amounts of money from the regime.
b) The simple question of whether education should be barred from individuals based purely on political beliefs and the attendant question of whether tertiary education, particularly at an elite institution, is a right or a privilege.
c) The question of the benefit of a dissenting opinion in a university space. I can't speak for Harvard but LSE is, I would say - quite left leaning overall, despite its reputation for producing staunch capitalists. Many of its IR, pol sci and anthopology students tend to adhere closely to post-colonialist, queer and feminist viewpoints. Several ostensibly post-colonial academics made the argument that the best way of teaching students to confront fascism is to place them in a space where they are forced to confront it directly.
It's almost like people are capable of making stupid mistakes in their life.
Is this really the way we want the world to be run? Is anyone actually proud of everything they've ever said as a teenager?
Is this really the way we want the world to be run? Is anyone actually proud of everything they've ever said as a teenager?
Yeah it honestly is hard to imagine the growth actually happening when everyone in his circle is telling him hes the victim. The fact that he turned down a full ride at NYU to go to Harvard and is playing the victim card himself screams of a gross sense of entitlement considering his apology only came in hindsight after he was caught. Who knows though, people can change dramatically over time. Cards are stacked against that happening though.
Not everyone is entitled to attend Harvard. There are other schools this racist can--
Oh, not only is he racist but he's Steve Bannon racist?For those unfamiliar:
"Kashuv became director of high school outreach of the pro-Trump group Turning Point USA and gave speeches about gun rights, until his resignation in May 2019. Governor-elect of Florida Ron DeSantis, a Republican, included Kashuv on his Transition Advisory Committee on Public Safety.
Following the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, Michael Gruen, an "influencer marketer", noticed Kashuv's posts on Twitter and approached him offering to help him get his message out. With the help of former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci, former White House press secretary Sean Spicer, and Daily Wire editor Ben Shapiro, meetings on Capitol Hill were set up for Kashuv. During his visit, Kashuv met with President Trump, Melania Trump, and several other politicians including Speaker of the House Paul Ryan and Senator Orrin Hatch."
It's not a "stupid mistake."
It's part of a pattern of racist, right wing extremist behavior and affiliations that he continues to the current day.
It was less then 2 years ago. He runs around with Noted racists in the Turning Point USA Organization. He hasn't changed shit
Try reading the thread before making statements like these.
"Racists are fine as long as they're on our side" basically.
It's not an "oopsy daisy" to drop the n-word. It means he hates black people.
For those that don't remember, Turning Point was the group that tried to own the libs by wearing diapers behind baby gates and acting like literal babies on a college campus.
It would be pretty sweet if my punishment for being a stupid racist threatening violence as a teenager was not getting into Harvard.
When I first saw the headline I was kind of sad since I assumed it was one of the gun control activists and wanted to see which one. When I realized it was the gun nut, I honestly just felt like that made more sense to me. Not everyone immediately went soft on the kid and ignored the racism (though you're right that too many did); I just waited to post until I knew the situation.
If only defenders of racist shitbags would use that energy to support causes that actually matter and help people. It must be tiring to constantly live for Olympic-level mental gymnastics in order to point fingers away from those who perpetuate Nazi-esque ideals.
Actions have consequences, this is nothing new. Colleges commonly go through social media or records of past history.
What opinion is *puts on reading glasses* "You will not replace us", Nigger NIgger Nigger Nigger Nigger, I am getting good at typing Nigger", or "Kill jews" serving as a counterpoint to?
He was director of high school outreach for Turning Point USA until last month.
So yeah, maybe he'll grow out of it, but let's not pretend he isn't a Nazi shithead.
If you look up the address from the Harvard letters, it doesn't look like his family is wealthy at all. They live in a modest house that is like half a block from a six lane highway.
The notion that this guy is now "condemned for life" is still utterly ridiculous though.
On the one hand, hah.
On the other hand, spare me the hand wringing he's going to be making money hand over fist through using this as the catalyst for his grift to turn into whatever weird talking head the Koch brothers pay him to be.
He'll be raking in 6 figures from jump.
On the other hand, spare me the hand wringing he's going to be making money hand over fist through using this as the catalyst for his grift to turn into whatever weird talking head the Koch brothers pay him to be.
He'll be raking in 6 figures from jump.
If "our side" consists of the bare minimum of
1. Apologizing for being a racist
2. Not being an asshole
this guy failed. So it's no wonder the thread turned on him.
He'll literally have a job for the rest of his life just based off the aggrievement from this event. Some Billionaire will pay him to seem "reasonable" about how 'THE LEFT THREW ME AWAY' (lol at the notion that Harvard of all places is any kind of moral barometer) for the next decade.
He's 18 now...he's still a damn teenager. Yes. He can be judged by it. This is fucking stupid, stop snitching on yourself.
Yeah, I click this thread and I'm thinking "well that's not good, maybe he's just a dumb kid and he's just been surrounded by a lot of shock humour and hasn't reflected on it", then I scroll down a little bit and hello
Arguably, in the present case, we would be referring to his pro-gun views and presumably the racist views associated with Turning Point USA.
To be clear, I am not advocating that he should be given a place. I am simply pointing out this is far from the first incidence of this dilemma since the inauguration of Trump's America and that we have to come up with a better argument than 'he is a shitbag, ergo he should not be accepted into a higher education institution by default'.
Let's be real, if I were 16 and trying to go to a big school, stuff like social media behavior could influence that. I've told my kid since he was old enough to understand not to post dumb shit to the web. I'm sure there were plenty of applicants without the baggage and he can still apply elsewhere.
He'll mysteriously end up "funding" a high level production studio with a full staff "by himself" or "with your help".
Lets be honest if he was rich he probably still gets in lol.
Why can't shitbags live with the conquences of their actions?
He's not barred from attending college.
Also, no we don't.
Huh?
I'm not really following here. Are you arguing that since we have a white nationalist as a president that we should perform mental gymnastics to rationalize racist, right wing extremist behavior?
Just one, but he was a good guy. Smart, too, as one would hope.
Dude's been doing everything he possibly can to be the next conservative wunderkind, this is honestly the best thing that could happen to him in his quest to become America's Number One Grifter.
His entire Harvard run would have been filled with being as much of a chode as humanly possible in order to get expelled and do the whole 'muh free speech' routine.
His entire Harvard run would have been filled with being as much of a chode as humanly possible in order to get expelled and do the whole 'muh free speech' routine.
Lucky. I've had numerous Harvard grad coworkers and they were universally uncreative, lazy, and riding on the prestige of having gone to Harvard as their primary occupational advantage. One dude would seriously mention it daily, often as a pickup line, and he was in his mid-thirties. I'm sure there are plenty of smart, phenomenal Harvard grads out there but I have yet to encounter one in the workplace.