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GRRM: The Game of Thrones books are still not done, the last one hasn't even been started yet
- Thread starter Sweeney Swift
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Next week Sunday and I'm not sure where to post it yet. Can it be on this forum side?
how hard woukd it be to sneak into his house and copy the hard drive of a shitty computer from 40 years ago?
Any old cloning software from the past decade would work. The HDD can't even be that large, would probably take all of 45 minutes to extract the drive, clone it, then return it to old Tandy.
recent article with IGN. I dont believe the recent blog was the update he is reffering to. I read his blog everytime there is a new post and he says that in every other blog ''back to working on WINDS'' gotta be more there.
Maybe after some of the dust has settled on Thrones. It'd be nice to hear some reason why he couldn't deliver a single book in the space of the television show's entire run. I'm not even mad about it (anymore), it's just incredible.
I believe the common assumption is that GRRM had something close to a completed manuscript for Winds sometime in 2015 and then he proceeded to throw it all out and start over from scratch.
He's hinted at some of the core issues. The major one being bringing all the pov characters together. Every book he's introduced characters as solutions to problems. Which has created more problems. He's put himself in a bind and doesn't know how to write himself out of it.
I always assumed this was the case, I just want to hear it from him. Rewrites plagued AFFC and ADWD.
They are well worth reading now, as are countless unfinished works. Martin changed genre fiction forever because his books are absolute triumphs. If he wrote nothing after AGOT it would still be a great book.
What if that's what happened in 2015? Not "it was shit and I had to start over." His shitty computer crashed and he had to start from scratch?
It is pretty crazy to think that we never got another book since book 5 came out around the same time as season 1. I remember all the talk about book 6 coming out before Season 6. I kind of always assumed it would arrive before the show ended, especially given the long break between seasons 7 and 8. Yet here we are.
Someone should write and publish a spurious version of Winds of Winter. GRRM will probably take offense and light up his ass.
Got Miguel de Cervantes to finish Don Quixote! (Who after nine years after writing part one couldn't be arsed to publish the sequel).
Got Miguel de Cervantes to finish Don Quixote! (Who after nine years after writing part one couldn't be arsed to publish the sequel).
Isnt he writing all his stuff on a dos machine?
Edit: he does lol
Its a dos machine running wordstar 4.0
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27407502#
Yeh I've heard this too. That he basically finished Winds, decided he wasn't happy with it and chose to rework it.
Not sure how I feel about that tbh. Imagine someone else writing the last HP book instead of Rowling. It's weird.
I remember reading that GRRM said he will not allow anybody else to finish the series assuming he dies before it finishes (I imagine via his will).
Can we start the thread now? Need to wash out this taste of last episode.
I'm stuck hoping against hope that Martin finishes these books before he dies or I die. I love the world he has created in the books and the show paid off so few of them. I believe he has far more interesting resolutions to this massive story than the way GoT played out. The last two seasons especially lost the richness and complexity of Martin's writing.
I'm down with this. Can't wait for the thread to get started!
Bringing POV characters together was supposedly the issue with AFFC/ADWD & mostly with Meereen/Essos side of things (hence the coined term "Meereenese knot"). I think the biggest issue was with Tyrion getting to Meereen and certain things being set up on his way there (fAegon probably being the most notable one but there were some more subtle seeds sown through his journey in ADWD, I'm sure).
With TWOW, he either has the characters together who should be for the next part or on their way on a relatively clear path plus he has claimed there would be no more added POV characters (not known characters turning into POV characters and not completely new characters introduced as POV characters), outside of prologues & epilogues. TWOW was supposed to be the book where everything starts to come together and it should also bring the death of some POV characters, which supposedly was going to make things a bit more manageable. If the rumors are true, it seems more like GRRM is now having more trouble with writing satisfactory conclusions for some characters or (setup for the) endgame than bringing POV characters together.
Either he sticks with the TV show because the plot points were what he shared with D&D to begin with, or he purposefully diverges from the show to subvert expectations. Either way, I'm not really looking forward to the results.
Random aside, I did enjoy books 1-3, 2/3rd of 4, and 1/2 of 5.
Random aside, I did enjoy books 1-3, 2/3rd of 4, and 1/2 of 5.
He's mentioned before that everythings hes written already hints to the rest of the story. To change things now just to subvert would basically make no sense plotpoint wise and he says that its a sign of a poor writer.
There are so many plot lines to resolve that if he did do it in two books, I can't imagine it being anything but just as rushed as the tv shoe
I wonder if Martin has any of those great thoughtfull moments in the books like when Arya and a horse standing around in ruins hahahaha
My guess is that the rough plan is for the first half of Winds to be Dany making her way to Westeros plus Aegon vs Cersei. Then the second half of the book is Aegon vs Dany. Then the first half of Dream is Dany going North and the war against the Others, and the back half is epilogue. So there's definitely a two-book outline there, if he can get it into the page limits for a pair of books.
None of that sounds like something GRRM could do in two books.
He isn't. It's just so slow that he has to wait an hour for it to generate each sentence after he types it.
So now that the show is over I am going to start reading the books...but before I do; are there any editions/version I should read or nothing of that sort exists. Just wanna be sure.