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Greg Miller and Andrea Rene handwave Notch and PewDiePie racist, transphobic and anti-semitic behaviour (UP: GM and AR respond; see threadmarks)
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THANK YOU. He has done this for years and I wasn't sure if anybody else noticed. He is so focused on potential opportunities and the clicks/cash that he won't take a firm stance on anything negative. If he points out that someone did something wrong his company may lose subs, interview opportunities, etc. Remember No Man's Sky? Pretty clear case of lying to consumers before release right? He did everything he could to dance around saying that the dev lied. Why? Maybe that guy is going to make another popular game someday. Wouldn't want him to say "no" to coming on the show right?
This is nothing new for him. This time he just happened to hand-wave something that is so obviously evil that he won't be able to stay silent and play stupid
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I know he's banned and it's been a couple of pages, but I had to ask: is this the new pdp-defense to call him a 70 year old who never used internet?
because, wow...
Saying "Fuck bigotry" is not meaningful. Obviously every non-villainous person shares that general sentiment. Actually making a statement that bigotry is not to be tolerated, and then taking action true to that statement, is a separate and more important thing.
'Let me just watch these privileged white people saying dumb shit on repeat with a fine comb looking for excuses and write them emails asking for their PR clarification, while i just lazily press the ignore button on this other person saying things i don't wanna hear.'
It's easier to post disingenuous shit over a series of posts and put on an embarrassing show about putting people that don't buy said bullshit on ignore lists.
Yep.
Saying fuck bigotry is one thing. But then this is the follow up: What is Bigotry?
To answer "Well..." and equivocating like Greg and Andrea have done when faced with examples is to excuse hatred.
Don't do it.
I actually can't believe what I just watched. I've never seen this before. Holy shit.
Going by the OP they both come off as ignorant and flippant of the situations. And Andreas's comment about supporting PDP because he's the heart of youtube and Europeans don't know the context of the N-word and use it a lot WTF?! I'm calling bullshit on that. The Europeans who do use it know it's racist.
Both of them need to read up more on facts and have some damn empathy.
Both of them need to read up more on facts and have some damn empathy.
Believing in free speech and sharing discourse I believe in. engaging someone who has no intent on hearing your perspective especially when your post have shown you are shakey on the subject and is going for witty remarks and sneak dissing is not something I condone. As I know the veil of anonymity gives people free rain to antagonize people and toss vitriolic rhetoric around all Willy nilly. I've got no time for it. If you want to talk do so if you want to trade clever combacks miss me with that. Y'all don't me cooking in here anyways. I promise.
Yup. They're both spineless, amoral cowards, but Andrea is really adamant to prove how ignorant she is. Just shocking.
Also pewdiepie LIVES on the internet, so anyone who pulls the "he's European, he doesn't know better" is 100% full of A-grade bull shit. Also he lives in England.
Anyone who gives the time of day to any of the nonsense these two idiots spout in this video deserves nothing less than derision. And that's my full, well thought out opinion with no shakiness on it. I'm fucking sick and tired to my very bones of idiots excusing bigotry. I've had a lifetime of bellies full of it. As far as i'm concerned, anyone who excuses a bigot is no better than a bigot themselves and any and all criticism they receive is self-inflicted and well deserved.
"Just Whacky comments, bro!"
Holy mother of jesus, you can't make this stuff up, i sincerely hope no one gives these two the benefit of the doubt and stops giving them clicks. Horrible people.
Holy mother of jesus, you can't make this stuff up, i sincerely hope no one gives these two the benefit of the doubt and stops giving them clicks. Horrible people.
All of this is incredibly disappointing.
And this is just upsetting. Andrea, if 'a lot of Europeans' have told you that Europeans use that word then you've been speaking to racists. Yes, Europeans use that word. Racist Europeans. Everyone knows the context of that term. Europe isn't some ignorant exotic no-racism haven.
And this is just upsetting. Andrea, if 'a lot of Europeans' have told you that Europeans use that word then you've been speaking to racists. Yes, Europeans use that word. Racist Europeans. Everyone knows the context of that term. Europe isn't some ignorant exotic no-racism haven.
So what if you think PDP isn't as shitty as notch, he's still pretty shitty in general.
I don't see how anyone could have any problems with this response.
Thank you for taking the time to clarify things even late on a weeknight.
Yeah, this defence is hilarious. I heard some Europeans use a racist, dehumanising word, so it's okay this one dude did over and over again.
Get out of here with that shit. Dude is a racist moron.
Yup
If anyone ever asks you what the big deal with "normalizing" bogotry is, I can point to this clip now. Andrea was clearly taking the position that MS was trying to gin up controversy/ clicks by publicly "uninviting" notch because he said "mean or whacky" things on Twitter. But the actual series of events seems to be that MS planned the anniversary event and then was asked by journos about why notch wasn't included. That's the actual story apparently, and Andrea/Greg dont seem to have done their homework before blathering on about SJWs and "both sides" bullshit
Jesus motherfucking Christ.
One thing is to fumble a segment (and fumble he did), which he already came here to clarify to us. And another is to come here and call Greg Miller "a subhuman shit-heel". And some of you here get offended because some of us think there's people here "out for blood". Guess what? Calling Greg that qualifies as such.
If he's that then what's Notch? Leave those insults for people that truly deserve them.
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Yep. Excusing bigotry implicitly supports it, so get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Well said. I don't particularly like Miller's on air personality but I don't think he is a bad person, let alone sub-human.
"European Black man"
What is that like? I'm from the US. I couldn't imagine living somewhere like that. Do they really think there is no racism over there (i.e. do they ignore and downplay it) like certain parts of the internet suggest? Are there black communities? Have you been to the States? If yes: Do you see a difference in the way people treat you?
Please ignore this question if you aren't comfortable with it. I'm just curious.
Anyone using the "but it's different in Europe" defense is a racist and/or an absolute moron, and they can fuck off into the sun.
Not surprised Miller did the bare minimum in researching and tackling this topic. And as for Rene, this shit honestly doesn't surprise me. Both seem like they'd rather turn a blind eye to stuff like this than risk burning any bridges.
Greg's comments uhhh
honestly, If you don't have the time to inform you about a topic, THEN DON'T TALK ABOUT IT INFRONT OF AN AUDIENCE. How hard is it? Do your due diligence else: better say nothing.
and Andrea's comments: YIKES.
would like to see "Notch's tweets were taken completely out of context analysis" by her. Show me some receipts, I guess you will not find any or even try to find them.
honestly, If you don't have the time to inform you about a topic, THEN DON'T TALK ABOUT IT INFRONT OF AN AUDIENCE. How hard is it? Do your due diligence else: better say nothing.
and Andrea's comments: YIKES.
would like to see "Notch's tweets were taken completely out of context analysis" by her. Show me some receipts, I guess you will not find any or even try to find them.
Privileged centrist white ppl say shit, news at at 11
Anyone will become a piece of shit if its to protect their gravy train, and ppl in the gaming influencer industry are no different
If they think protecting a shitty guy like Notch is acceptable than you gotta wonder what else are they comfortable with handwaving
Anyone will become a piece of shit if its to protect their gravy train, and ppl in the gaming influencer industry are no different
If they think protecting a shitty guy like Notch is acceptable than you gotta wonder what else are they comfortable with handwaving
Quick to say fuck bigotry, not so quick to say fuck the bigots that are working in a shared industry.
We can call him out and criticize him when he fucks up without calling him sub-human, for chrissakes, Era. Greg ain't an alt-righter or anything remotely close to that.
That's fine by me but do you think Greg is a "subhuman shit-heel" then?
I can see now why Greg and Colin were friends. Greg is a complete pushover when it comes to calling out behaviors and attitudes.
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