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Yep, especially since Hogan told the NYT, he will listen to the smartest people in the room regarding the coronavirus, unlike Trump:
Well you know what. If any of our Governor's were actually doing their jobs (or the people they hired for the State Health Dept) we would have been stocked up 4 months ago when Wuhan was shut down.
Trump ain't helping, but these fuckers are responsibly negligent too. They could have updated their unemployment websites, increased eligibility to medicaid, increased affordable housing for the poor and homeless. There is a damn near an infinite number of things our local governments could have done to prevent this from being a catastrophe and lit the flames for other states to follow months ago.
Instead they are doing it now. They are all, doing this now. They are just as responsible as he is, and so are the mayors, the directors, and literally every piece of government that handles healthcare, housing, and public assistance.
Trump ain't helping, but these fuckers are responsibly negligent too. They could have updated their unemployment websites, increased eligibility to medicaid, increased affordable housing for the poor and homeless. There is a damn near an infinite number of things our local governments could have done to prevent this from being a catastrophe and lit the flames for other states to follow months ago.
Instead they are doing it now. They are all, doing this now. They are just as responsible as he is, and so are the mayors, the directors, and literally every piece of government that handles healthcare, housing, and public assistance.
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Why does america have a federal government then?
Why are New Yorkers paying federal taxes?
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What is the Republican end game? Do they want to disband the federal government and have 50 countries here?
I am not shifting the blame here. I am holding them all accountable. The Fed is essentially a back-up/overseer of the State. There are tons of things a State government can do that differs from other states. We have been seeing that clearly since the start of this pandemic in America.
California for example, had a $22 billion surplus they could have used to stockpile supplies in the past 4 months. Hell they could have brought back the original Pandemic Readiness program that was set-up back when Ahnuld was Guvenator. Instead Jerry Brown killed it and never brought it back.
As much of a shit show as Trump is, do not be blind to the errors of the states and local governments. They are just as culpable as him.
More like two, one of them being the United Confederate States of America where they would chose to live /s
Seriously though, I do wander if Americans will remember this when it comes time for the general election.
Especially the governors who were just elected, why didn't they start this before they took office?
States cannot do "infinite" numbers and types of things, otherwise they would be able to be nations unto themselves.
But, states have been going it alone connecting with other countries going back to Trump's swearing off the climate accords, and connecting with each other going back to the first travel ban. This is one thing that some states have already learned to do.
And in terms of natural disasters the feds are NOT the backup of the states, and Trump is wrong when he says this. The heavy amount of grousing at today's presser (and Pence's attempt to paper over their resource racket) is proof that they know they've been caught, and that the only thing they are truly interested is the economy getting back to benefitting them as soon as possible.
States cannot run deficits like the Feds can and considering how many states are run be Republican Legislatures the idea that states would have funding to spend on things like crisis Medical Supplies is a pipe dream.
The US has not recovered from the 2009 Swine Flu as far as capabilities go. The Republican led House spent 6 years blocking Increases in spending to rebuild the national stockpile etc. every time Obama asked for an increase. Then Trump took over and gutted even more programs and partnerships to increase mask production etc. were never finished etc.
The US has not recovered from the 2009 Swine Flu as far as capabilities go. The Republican led House spent 6 years blocking Increases in spending to rebuild the national stockpile etc. every time Obama asked for an increase. Then Trump took over and gutted even more programs and partnerships to increase mask production etc. were never finished etc.
It's just straight up profiting off a pandemic. Remember that, after seizing masks from the states, the administration sells them to private distributors, which are then auctioned to the highest bidder. Simple, sociopathic grift.
There won't be another Civil War, at least not like the last one. The key mistake the Slave states made (other than fighting to own people as property), was taking aggressive action against the federal government by firing on federal forces and seizing federal property.
The two ways the Federal government has enforced its will on the States in the modern era is through denying federal money to them and nationalizing the National Guard under command of the Feds (enforcing racial integration). They also have their various investigative and law enforcement agencies operating within the states.
The smart way for the modern states to fight the federal government is to selectively ignore the Feds, as well as form informal compacts for various things. No votes to secede or anything dramatic. Just start ignoring certain things, then increase the non-compliance with the Feds and cooperation with each other over time.
If they keep things under the radar for a long time, as well as get their residents used to distrusting and disliking the Feds because they continually fuck them over to benefit the welfare states, then they have a shot at weakening the Feds while strengthening themselves. There would need to be a sustained effort to have residents begin identifying themselves with their state and portraying the Feds as the "other".
As time goes by, with demographics changing as they are in the modern states, the job will become easier as newer generations won't have the same type of affection for, or affiliation with, the national identity. They'll want to live their lives and be successful as they can be without being fettered by a national government that's rigged the system and working to benefit an increasingly shrinking and paranoid racial demographic in the welfare states.
At some point it'll come to a head, but you want the Feds to be the ones taking aggressive action against residents, increasing radicalization of the populace against them and increasing their demands for the State to protect them and do something about it.
Not infinite no, but they sure could have done a lot. Way more than what they did, which was essentially just wait until it came ashore. Governor's like Newsom did not have a lot of time to change things but Jerry Brown sure as fuck did. All of their predecessors had a chance to keep emergency readiness for a situation like this in place, instead of throwing to the sidelines or demolishing it completely.
Same for our Mayors, District and County officials.
And the people that run areas like the Dept of Health and Medi-Cal are not elected officials. The Federal Government is supposed to help when it comes to disasters like this, but the way its supppsed to go is, District -> City -> County - State.
Except those first 3 have basically given no fucks and rely on the State to babysit them. The state essentially has 1800 kids all crying for help. And this whole time daddy State has been smoking the reefer and drinking since noon so he dont know what to do.
....lol
Americans won't remember shit. We forgot Bush and now he's our dear uncle lol.
So a Taiwanese Canadian that grew up in the New York area, currently living in America and owner of the Brooklyn nets donates essential medical equip to New York is still consider as "China" to ERA.
Thank for the xenophobia. I guess there nothing we can do to be considered American to you guys huh.
I have been very pleasantly surprised by Hogan throughout this whole thing.
People only remember what their media and government tell them to remember. They only feel what they're told to feel.
Joe Tsai is Taiwanese-Canadian, he was the tech behind Jack Ma's fast talking.
Make USA like Russia, a mafia state ruled by oligarchs where you can't tell the difference between organized crime and government.
I'm glad, but not overly surprised. I get the impression that he's not insane, and knows who elected him.
Cuomo says New York getting 1,000 ventilators from China to help in coronavirus battle
China and Oregon are sending 1,140 ventilators to New York, which is running out of them. Cuomo is moving 500 more from upstate New York to downstate.
www.usatoday.com
Turning the Tables, Russia Sends Virus Aid to U.S. (Published 2020)
A planeload of coronavirus aid to New York was a propaganda coup for the Kremlin — tempered by an intensifying epidemic at home.
Trump admin has been so awful states are receiving aid from China and Russia LOL. I don't know if I should laugh cry or both. :(
Except literally for every situation like this for the last century, the Federal government and Federal agencies have taken point, and states have followed their leadership. This is why agencies like the CENTER OF DISEASE CONTROL exist. So when all of a sudden, the Federal government isn't prepared, and it's politically undesirable for the president to take point because it would place greater blame on him, and demonstrate "big government" over the states, which would be unpopular with his constituents, then, yes, it is primarily the Federal government's fucking fault.
If you want to place blame, then yeah, sure. To a certain extent even local free-market healthcare systems are apparently at fault. But there's orders of fucking magnitude differences in fault here between China allowing sanitary conditions that create these sort of diseases to exist, the US and all western Federal government's responses to the disease, and that of the local states and healthcare systems.
Hell, let me ask you! Why didn't you prepare and save up and have a personal ventilator available hmm? This seems like a personal failure! If you were prepared for a pandemic, this wouldn't have happened to you! Your local community is just a backup!
Look, I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment that this has exposed some flaws within the entire system, but the Federal government doesn't get to completely change and shift expectations on level of ownership in the middle of a fucking disaster from the Federal government to the states because it's politically convenient for them. That's bullshit and is only feeding the chaos that our country and communities are currently trying to navigate through.
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I'm sorry but this is either ignorance or your some republican shill. States don't have the power to print money/borrow unlimited. The federal government does. State budgets are already getting annihilated and New York is running low on cash. Do you really think they could have taken the place of the federal government and saved their economies?
Could states have done more? Absolutely but 95% of the blame lies with the federal government. They are literally supposed to coordinate responses and have agencies specifically designed for this shit.
yep, something is very wrong and someone is seriously profiting from this pandemic and it ain't zoom.
Josh Marshall on Twitter
“This is remarkable. The US has set up an airbridge for PPE & med supplies to the US from abroad. But in answer to question from @cbsnews @weijia the Admiral explains that this is going through private companies, which explains why states are having to bid to get the stuff. https://t.co/eO646wAeNF”
twitter.com
Yeah, the idea that regional governments should be the pointmen on a global problem is sort of dumb. States only have so many resources and so much power. The whole point of having a federal government is so that larger problems can be solved using the resources of the entire nation. It's only when this is run by complete idiots who have no idea what they're doing and don't give a damn about the consequences that you end up with situations like the US right now. It looks likely that the US will end up with millions of infections, and that's 100% the fault of the federal government.
The framers of the Constitution didn't count on an elected president waging war on his own people by profiteering off a pandemic while they die en masse. Probably expected the electoral college to step in and prevent someone like that from ever being elected. Or that the other chambers of government would step in to impeach such a tyrant to protect their constituents.
Guess that didn't happen, eh?
More like Ancient times. What Trump is doing is what Crassus did with Rome's fire brigade.
MAGA - Making America Go Ancient.
This isn't about printing money, this is about having programs in place that many of these states had in the past that they decided to GET RID OF. For no good reason, other than greed and stupidity.
The distress on the economy could have been less had these states actually had some semblance of a decent way to file unemployment without systems crashing when shit like this happens and expanded on unemployment ON THEIR OWN which they are allowed to do.
Also expanding eligibility for medicaid under situations like this is also, the states job. Curbing homelessness and providing shelters, like what the STATE is doing right now, is their job. For far too long they have ignored these issues and sat on their asses, and now they are scrambling to do them all at once because they were ill-prepared.
Look what happened when Trump suggested quarantining NY city?
A lot of this is up to the states. They have enough power to circumvent Federal Laws and create an entire establishment of businesses that would normally be considered ILLEGAL.
And your telling me its not their fault that they didn't respond to the likelihood of a pandemic crashing upon the land that they are elected to take care of? When they had the knowledge of a city of 11 million people being locked down for an novel virus and they still did nothing?
Yes Trump fucked up. He has been fucking up. But just because he fucks up doesn't mean the states are not accountable for their lack of action. When they have the power to balance their budget, to limit flights, to empower social distancing, to FIX their fucking unemployment website, to increase eligibility for medicaid, to create organizations like the current Health Corps and previously the Pandemic Readiness program.
This power wasn't just suddenly given to them, they had it. And they could've done a lot better. Instead they are playing catch up just like everyone else. Any state government with half a brain would've realized, oh shit this could be bad. Fucking Trump is gonna fuck this up, let's start preparing the best we can. MONTHS AGO.
Instead they waited for the fuck up to tell them what to do.
ESSENTIALLY A STATE GOVERNMENT (HUBEI) COVERED UP THIS VIRUS THE FIRST PLACE.
Cost the world 2 months, and made the situation far worse than it needed to be. A province in China did that. And Hubei has far less autonomy than the states in America.
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That's true, but those masks and ventilators came from the mainland and it was done with the help of the Chinese government, who controls pretty much all of the manufacturing of those things right now.
States have to go about it this way because they don't want to piss the Trump administration and because they don't have ambassadors or really much in the way of diplomatic channel with China, so they have to rely on people with connections in the mainland to facilitate those things.
All I have to add to this conversation is that it is just unfortunate we have Trump our leader in the time of an actual crisis. He is a terrible president and bad leader, and during a real emergency, his bad leadership is magnified and will cause this virus to last for many more months if not years-long after he is gong. A competent leader might have put more stringent measures in place earlier. But barring that, even if strict standards were not put in place first, he/she would've certainly created a centralized system to procure and deliver essential goods to the hot spots in the country. Unlike the current system where federal and state authorities are trying to one-up one another for these crucial goods for their front line workers dealing with the crisis on the front lines...
Man, if this virus just hit 1 year later, the situation wouldn't be as bad as it is right now....just unfortunate timing, or maybe it is a divine intervention/karma for the terrible things Trump has done....who knows?
A governor asking his immigrant wife for help with procuring medical supplies from her country to keep feds on the dark in the middle of a pandemic is something no Hollywood scriptwriter could have come up with, hell not even the onion
The governors should have been treating the Feds as the enemy from day 1 of this crisis. Who did they think was in charge, exactly?
Or that people exercising their Second Ammendment rights the most would side with the tyrant.
They now have a clear pattern that's playing out before their eyes. So do you expect that the blue state governors will have the wits and wherewithal to maneuver around the feds going forward? They now certainly have the justification for doing so in light of these recent events.
Also...
How informed is the public on this right now? This is somewhat recent, but do you see this story having legs with the public?
They do have a pattern, but I'm not sure if Blue State Governors will have the guts/desire to do it. But, people have their breaking point and I suspect those will be quickly approaching for quite a lot of people.
I don't know how well informed the U.S. public-at-large is informed about this particular nefarious bullshit, but I have to imagine it is quite low and not nearly enough informed. I have to think that the news media is failing to do their duty regarding this and are, almost assuredly, dropping the ball big time.
Honestly, I consider this U.S. Federal Government endorsed Genocide/Crimes Against Humanity, but I'm not seeing these words really used. I'm sure most news media are afraid to levy charges such as those, but I legitimately believe they are appropriate given what we know about all of the variables.
It may have legs among those of us who are truly invested and paying attention, but outside of this small select number of people, I am not terribly optimistic. The masses probably don't have the means to care, neither intellectually or due to their material, living conditions. And the Fascist cultists are a straight-up lost cause.
There is leadership on top, it's just about restricting supply of needed hardware while jerking off oil companies and other industries that he deems more valuable than human lives.