Those 31 loops just flew by. Definitely a fan, but I hope it doesn't wear thin too soon. At least losing seems like a common thing.
This game... is starting to wear thin for me. It was so awesome at the start. But 60+ loops and the concept is getting really tiring. I lose much more than I win, and when I do, it feels like it's more luck than skill based. The story moves at snail's pace and the fair few story tidbits that has popped up has been too short for me to feel motivated to push through.
Is it worth it?
Well, just finished up and got the true ending. Incredible game. I did have a question for those who have finished it:
Is the concept of what Gnosia and Gnos are meant to be left vague like some cosmic horror concept or did I miss something? It's fine either way, but I wanted to confirm I didn't miss something.
Finally got the Freeze All skill, setup of 4 Gnosia, every role enabled, and three engineers and three doctors coming forward. I'm pretty sure the requirements are, at least, that three engineers step forward, that Raqio is present, and that a Bug is an enabled role. There may be others, but Raqio mentioned both of those before going into their little logic puzzle. It seems to be nearly useless though because even with maxed out stats its hard to get people to go for such an extreme solution. Might be possible if the Bug, the AC Follower, and the actual role person all step forward so no Gnosia would have a reason to go against it.
Also after 200 loops and every stat maxed out I'm pretty sure I've finally exhausted all the content in the game that isn't entirely missable. Haven't seen anything new pop up for around 30 random loops now.
Yuriko says something about Gnos being an amalgamation of cyberized people.
Also, did you start a new save file with the same info as your cleared one?
Okay this is genius.Edit 2: got the true endingMaking a new save file using your old save files info to finish the story is a 10/10 big brain play
Just after posting the above I tried seeing what would happen if I caught the game in a logic error of "Gnosia steps forward as the only engineer and is confirmed as a definite human, but the next day is proven not to be the Engineer by me (the actual engineer) deleting a bug".
Turns out there's a special ending for breaking the AI.
Holy shit I fucking cackled when Jonas flat out admitted to being Gnosia after winning and was immediately sent to cold sleep.
No. If you're a male PC you can tell her you love her though.I got an event where gina was gnosia and came to kill me at night, i had two way to act, get angry or beg for my life.... getting angry did nothing... if i begged would i had a new note or event or something?
Just after posting the above I tried seeing what would happen if I caught the game in a logic error of "Gnosia steps forward as the only engineer and is confirmed as a definite human, but the next day is proven not to be the Engineer by me (the actual engineer) deleting a bug".
Turns out there's a special ending for breaking the AI.
After you complete the game you get the ability to save scum. So you can load a scenario with a good number of Gnosia, no AC Followers, an Engineer, and a Bug. Wait for the engineers to step forward and keep save scumming until you can identify the Gnosia and the Bug. Then reload until only a Gnosia engineer steps forward, so the AI identifies them as 100% being the engineer. On the first night, eliminate the bug, proving that the engineer with a 100% chance of being the real thing is not, in fact, the real thing.How would you even do that? Just pure luck? I feel this setting would be kinda hard to get...
At least some romantic-ally tinged events are miss-able based on gender, yes. Some characters have at least a preference for certain genders, while other events can be gotten as any/no gender.Would that lead to anything? You can miss events based on gender?
I begged and I didn't get a note or anything, I think it's just a line or two that will be different (?)I got an event where gina was gnosia and came to kill me at night, i had two way to act, get angry or beg for my life.... getting angry did nothing... if i begged would i had a new note or event or something?
Just tried this and that is pretty cute.After you complete the game you get the ability to save scum. So you can load a scenario with a good number of Gnosia, no AC Followers, an Engineer, and a Bug. Wait for the engineers to step forward and keep save scumming until you can identify the Gnosia and the Bug. Then reload until only a Gnosia engineer steps forward, so the AI identifies them as 100% being the engineer. On the first night, eliminate the bug, proving that the engineer with a 100% chance of being the real thing is not, in fact, the real thing.
After you complete the game you get the ability to save scum. So you can load a scenario with a good number of Gnosia, no AC Followers, an Engineer, and a Bug. Wait for the engineers to step forward and keep save scumming until you can identify the Gnosia and the Bug. Then reload until only a Gnosia engineer steps forward, so the AI identifies them as 100% being the engineer. On the first night, eliminate the bug, proving that the engineer with a 100% chance of being the real thing is not, in fact, the real thing.
At least some romantic-ally tinged events are miss-able based on gender, yes. Some characters have at least a preference for certain genders, while other events can be gotten as any/no gender.
From what I can tell, higher end arguments like that become more and more common the more loops you go through, stats raise, skills unlocked, etc. It's almost always related to the Engineers/Doctors' reports and what happens if one Engineer/Doctor is proven to be correct/incorrect, at which point all of their reports become proven correct.How would the AI 100% definite the gnosia as human though? It rarely happens in my playtheoughs that someone is defining someone else as ally or enemy... is there a way to guarantee that it would happen?
God, I ran into that one like 10 times in a row to the point that I kept assuming I had to change stats to get it to go away or unlock some future event.Also I only ran into the stat change event RIGHT BEFORE I BEAT THE GAME. That was frustrating to say the least.
I mean Jonas could have been lying. Depending on the round, he could've been Gnosia or an AC fan. In both cases, it would make sense for him to push back on you, as its possible the person you were accusing was Gnosia.The AI in this game is so frustrating at times. I just had a game where Jonas was the doctor and 3 people claimed engineer. The person who we put to sleep was one of the people who claimed engineer and turned out to have been human after Jonas checked them. I proceeded to push a person who claimed engineer twice, one time at the beginning and one more time at the end, and Jonas of all people started to lead a push on me after he was the one that put forth evidence that the other two engineer claims have to be false.
I'm petty now and Jonas has officially gone on my shit list.
I guess that's possible but that round was the introduction of the doctor mechanic. Additionally, there's a huge logic discrepancy because if Jonas thinks me pushing the other engineer claims is wrong then that invalidates his role completely and reveals that he is lying. There's no way to say any of this of course and the options to accuse and defend are so limited.I mean Jonas could have been lying. Depending on the round, he could've been Gnosia or an AC fan. In both cases, it would make sense for him to push back on you, as its possible the person you were accusing was Gnosia.
Not necessarily, it could be that, of the two engineers, Jonas hasn't gotten any bad vibes (Jonas has pretty good intuition and can notice liars reasonably well) from the one you accused and thus thinks you are trying to freeze an innocent person. In this case, he could only assume that, since you want to freeze someone whose human, you are Gnosia, leading to him accusing you. My broader point is that there are too many uncertainties in the situation you described for there to be a strict logical error on Jonas's part.I guess that's possible but that round was the introduction of the doctor mechanic. Additionally, there's a huge logic discrepancy because if Jonas thinks me pushing the other engineer claims is wrong then that invalidates his role completely and reveals that he is lying. There's no way to say any of this of course and the options to accuse and defend are so limited.
I guess it comes down to if the crew members also know there can only be 1 engineer and 1 doctor. I have that information so it bothers me specifically when no one else is using that logic. The game sets up there can only be 1 engineer and Jonas just confirmed that the one we froze that claimed engineer was in fact human. This, it could have been logically deduced the other two are frauds.Not necessarily, it could be that, of the two engineers, Jonas hasn't gotten any bad vibes (Jonas has pretty good intuition and can notice liars reasonably well) from the one you accused and thus thinks you are trying to freeze an innocent person. In this case, he could only assume that, since you want to freeze someone whose human, you are Gnosia, leading to him accusing you. My broader point is that there are too many uncertainties in the situation you described for there to be a strict logical error on Jonas's part.
Yes, it's hinted at from the very beginning of the game all the way and the last loop.Wait, so there's another ending after reaching the credits!?
Was this hinted at anywhere? I need to do this when I get home.
If only one Doctor or one Engineer steps forward, and no one has died or been put in cold sleep yet, then the AI will consider that person to have a 100% chance of having this role and will take anything they say as gospel (characters with even moderate logic will use the "Definite Human" skill in these circumstances too). This is because, from a crew perspective, it's a very stupid idea to let a Gnosia fake either of those roles with no setbacks. And coming forward actually protects you until later in the round, since dying will cast heavy doubt on whoever is left (and in many cases will ensure that they have to be an enemy).How would the AI 100% definite the gnosia as human though? It rarely happens in my playtheoughs that someone is defining someone else as ally or enemy... is there a way to guarantee that it would happen?
As for the romance... hopefully someone uploads them on youtube, but since its so niche there's low chances of that
Nope, there's a number of events not tied to any plot flags. You can still get any of them that aren't missable (like SQ's unique dialogue for failing the first loop) on repeat loops if the conditions appear again. For example, there's a plot flag that appears if both you and Comet are Gnosia and a special ending scene if you win with Comet still alive, but if you lose or she gets put in cold sleep in that loop you can still see the event if you and Comet are Gnosia again in another loop.Is this event important to see? Didn't add anything to her or anyone else's profile, gotta tell you, damn tough to keep her alive while eliminating the other gnosia. It was a pretty dramatic event, too.
I completely dumb lucked into getting that event; I don't think its necessary though. Speaking of dumb luck, did anyone elseIs this event important to see? Didn't add anything to her or anyone else's profile, gotta tell you, damn tough to keep her alive while eliminating the other gnosia. It was a pretty dramatic event, too.
Same lol.I completely dumb lucked into getting that event; I don't think its necessary though.
Yes, it's hinted at from the very beginning of the game all the way and the last loop.
Wait, what ending is this and how do you get it? I got the ending, but I want to make sure I didn't miss out on anything...
Setsu went into another universe with your other self in the healing tank, who will be woken up by them.
Just like the world of no Gnosia, think about how you'd replicate that condition.
You can just tell me what the conditions are, but my guess is:
0 Gnosia, 2 crew, 1 bug? Something like that?