Girl raped by a guy she thought was her boyfriend
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People shouldnt defend admitted rapists. I dont think this is a difficult concept.
In theory no, but attourneys that say this:
"he says should have pursued a case for sexual battery. "It makes absolutely no sense if you're 'Boo hoo hoo the victim, boo hoo hoo hoo,'" he said, mimicking a whining child."
are absolute human fecal matter. And defending admitted rapists in this way is horrible, too.
But hey, it's men that are sooooooo scared nowadays. Toootally.
Super trash human being. Defending your client is one thing, these trash statements are quite another.
Reading that was not a good day to start my week... I wonder what the outcome would have been if it was here in Sweden now that we have consent-based laws for defining rape.
My thoughts go out to the victim. š
My thoughts go out to the victim. š
It is rape. If he used deception, which he admitted, it is rape. I mean it is strange that she didn't realise, and a bizarre situation, but yeah clear rape.
I suspect the law doesn't cover this because it's such a weird and unlikely situation. If the law is changed for this case, when is it ever going to come up again?
Any change to the law would have to be sufficiently wide reaching to cover more than just this case.
I'm confused, though, as to why they can't now raise charges of sexual battery against him, or why he couldn't have been found guilty of that at the original trial. Sure, only 2.5 years in jail, but a maximum sentence there would at least be something...
Any change to the law would have to be sufficiently wide reaching to cover more than just this case.
I'm confused, though, as to why they can't now raise charges of sexual battery against him, or why he couldn't have been found guilty of that at the original trial. Sure, only 2.5 years in jail, but a maximum sentence there would at least be something...
This is quite a interesting case. Although she consented she was tricked into consenting. What if the guy thought she wanted to cheat on her boyfriend and wasn't intentionally deceiving her? It doesn't seem the case here but would be interesting to see if that then would be considered rape. If he knew she thought it was her boyfriend then it is ofcourse rape
Yep my thoughts exactly. Fuck this ruling and this movie (and it's sequels)
Christ
No, but you can fault him for being a giant asshole, who mocks anyone remotely upset about an obvious miscarriage of justice.
Yeah that's rape.
No fucking questions about it.
"Goddamn those nerds were rapey...."
No fucking questions about it.
"Goddamn those nerds were rapey...."
Not that I'm defending this particular person, but guys use deception all the time to try to get laid. Lying about their job, who they are, where they live etc.
The victim gave consent to her boyfriend, not the asshole impersonating him. It is implied, but that doesn't make it untrue. So it is rape, period. The jury should have sentenced it as such.
Wait the guy knew she thought she was having sex with her boyfriend. He knew and still did it? How is that legal?
If the guy admitted to knowing the girl was confused then it is clearly bad intent, I'm baffled there's no crime in deceiving someone for sex.
Sure but this is way beyond that. Those are minor forms of deception (sleazy), this is major.
Regardless of the actual intercourse, the fact he got in her bed without permission and began to fondle her is sexual assault on it's own. That alone should result in a guilty verdict even if under Indiana law doesn't deem the intercourse (and it should, the fact the guy stumbled upon a loophole doesn't mean what he did was morally right, and to ensure things like this can't be done again with no consequence the law needs to be updated.
The defense lawyer was not wrong, the prosecutors were complete idiots to go for rape instead of sexual battery when the laws in Indiana are so fucked up. Yeah, the low sentence time would have sucked, but at least the defendant would have been convicted of a felony and served jail time instead of getting off scot-free. But man the defense attorney is a complete douche and obviously a red pill/incel asshole.
It's a sad thing when you can't even trust your own friends really...
There's a pretty good chance that he read up on the law before he did this considering how easily he admitted to everything
Why would the boyfriend leave her asleep in a room with a bunch of guys. Terrible fucking idea. Not saying it's his fault.
That rapist is a fucking creep and a weirdo. I hope his life gets ruined.
That rapist is a fucking creep and a weirdo. I hope his life gets ruined.
Thats a moronic stance. Everyone, especially self-admitted perps, deserve representation.
I think you don't know what a lawyer does. Defending the guilty is part of the job to guarantee fair trials for all. It is a horrible flaw of the law, but this guy really didn't rape anyone. You can't be convicted for something that isn't illegal in the law where you did it. So on that part the lawyer did his job aside from being asshole, every attorney would need to do the same job.
Fuck sake. This is why Feminism exists and needs to exist. How can some people so this as acceptable?
I'll be honest I don't understand a lot about US law, but my understand that is that if follows a the same principles as others. Precedent happens, then laws change. So why the fuck didn't the judge just lock him up? He could get another judge, it could have been appealed sure, but it also could have seen the laws changed to stop fuck heads like this from breathing the same air.
I'll be honest I don't understand a lot about US law, but my understand that is that if follows a the same principles as others. Precedent happens, then laws change. So why the fuck didn't the judge just lock him up? He could get another judge, it could have been appealed sure, but it also could have seen the laws changed to stop fuck heads like this from breathing the same air.
Horrific story, but at least with a new spotlight on the story, that asshole's life will be very uncomfortable.
Wow that's awful... couldn't they argue that she was "disabled" by the dark or that she had just woken up and was in a daze? Also is there no federal rape law?
You seem to have this idea of absolute truth as something that exists and isn't subjective, and that is cute. You never ever ever know all details of a case with any degree of certainty. Then there is the idea of a fair trial, preconceptions, misremembered events. And even so, even if there is nothing doubt about anything, there still needs to be someone to guide the defendant to a fitting punishment.
You don't have to be a dick about it though.
Some of you guys seriously don't seem to understand what lawyers do. Two of my friends are public defenders, and they talk about how dreadful it is to defend people they know are guilty, but it is absolutely necessary for us to have a fair legal system.
That said, if what this guy did isn't rape under the law there, that law is absolute shit and should be changed. He definitely raped her, it was just legal rape where he lives.
That said, if what this guy did isn't rape under the law there, that law is absolute shit and should be changed. He definitely raped her, it was just legal rape where he lives.
Not if rape by deception itself isn't illegal.
A private criminal attorney that only defends the innocent isn't a very productive lawyer.
