I think the opposite is also true - Ben has gotten more entertaining over time and Abby has gotten much better at expressing why she feels the way she does about games too. It's almost like when these things are your job, you will grow into them!I agree and ironically I think Ben and Abby kind of both perfectly fit where they were hired - while Abby doesn't have the critical background of the senior staff, she's incredibly entertaining in video features, and where Ben is not generally considered a perfect comedic showman in the community, he's gotten surprisingly great at explaining why he likes certain things and what makes them so compelling in a critical context. In a way, they are both reflective of their coasts.
Yeah even for Giant Bomb don't give a fuck vibes, it was pretty rough. Love the idea though, I still enjoyed it.Giant Bomb Feud was fun but the production values were pretty bad.
I agree completely. I also feel like we're on borrowed time with Abby, she doesn't seem like the type to stay with GB for many years. I'm so grateful for every piece of content she's in, but I can't shake the underlying feeling she doesn't super love the job.I think the opposite is also true - Ben has gotten more entertaining over time and Abby has gotten much better at expressing why she feels the way she does about games too. It's almost like when these things are your job, you will grow into them!
It never ceases to amaze me how resistant the community can be to new hires, despite being proven over and over again that they end up being fine because Jeff knows what he's doing (and Vinny). If you just deleted either of those two from the roster tomorrow, it would be at a loss for sure. I'd even call the two of them (and Jan) workhorses at this point, they put out a lot for the site.
Yeah even for Giant Bomb don't give a fuck vibes, it was pretty rough. Love the idea though, I still enjoyed it.
The whole tone for goty this year seems to be don't give a fuck, and the message Jeff put out was basically a big FU to the community that has followed giant bomb for years. They've lost track of what made them special and it shows.
I'm going to give the rest of the week a fair shake, but day one was bottom tier giant bomb, easily the worst goty podcast I've ever listened to.
I'm part of the community and fuck off yourself in including me in your take
Including for what? Surface level discussion of games that results in nothing.the arguments were fun
but let's be real it all came down to Brad and Jeff
this way it's more including for everyone
You don't think Jeff telling everyone that the show and format they've done for years that everyone loved is "done" isn't an FU?I'm part of the community and fuck off yourself in including me in your take
aw thanks so much! Seeing people say they were going to check out some of the board games makes me so happy. Hope you're enjoying CSD2! :DAny of y'all playing a game while watching/listening this year?
I often listen to half of it while shoveling snow but it's all melted the last couple days so now I'm playing more CSD2.
Speaking of, shoutout to chubigans for getting a list on the site! I always appreciate more board game recommendations; I'm not deep enough into that world myself.
Is there a way to constructively and calmly tell them we prefer the old format?
Yes? There are tons of ways to submit feedback anywhere.Is there a way to constructively and calmly tell them we prefer the old format?
I've been following GB since 2013 and you do not speak for me.The whole tone for goty this year seems to be don't give a fuck, and the message Jeff put out was basically a big FU to the community that has followed giant bomb for years.
I'm part of the community and fuck off yourself in including me in your take
I've been following GB since 2013 and you do not speak for me.
I just do not understand how someone can listen to how the GOTY 2017 deliberations went down and think to themselves "I want more of that." It was beyond uncomfortable with how some of the arguments went, and it absolutely poisoned the Best Game debate because you can tell they were at wits end with all of the yelling. It is the absolute antithesis of what makes Giant Bomb popular; goofy content by a gaggle of personalities.
It absolutely is not - seriously, this 'the customer is always right bullshit' can always fuck off - and, just to add to the chorus: I've been following Giant Bomb since before it was Giant Bomb—I think one of the very first videos I ever watched online, back when I was nine or ten and got my first computer, was an On The Spot. In no way, shape or form did I feel like I was being told, 'fuck you' by that post, and if you did, that's completely on you—not Jeff, and not the site.I'm not speaking for you, I'm saying Jeff telling everyone that something they love is done is an FU to the community, I'm not making any statements about how the community feel or what they say.
I just do not understand how someone can listen to how the GOTY 2017 deliberations went down and think to themselves "I want more of that." It was beyond uncomfortable with how some of the arguments went, and it absolutely poisoned the Best Game debate because you can tell they were at wits end with all of the yelling. It is the absolute antithesis of what makes Giant Bomb popular; goofy content by a gaggle of personalities.
I don't think anyone is arguing for 2017. It doesn't need to be that.
It absolutely is not - seriously, this 'the customer is always right bullshit' can always fuck off - and, just to add to the chorus: I've been following 'GB' since I was nine or ten years old, when I got my first computer—I think one of the very first videos I ever watched online was an On The Spot. In no way, shape or form did I feel like I was being told, 'fuck you' by that post, and if you did, that's completely on you—not Jeff, and not the site.
The problem with 2017 was two relatively new staffers taking things too seriously and getting disrespectful to each other. Go listen to 2011 and 2012 where they had the same format but everyone was respectful.
They over reacted to that and in the process lost a lot of what was special and unique about giant bombs goty.
But it did, and it was slowly leading to that over the years prior. When the entire framing of a thing is "Fight to death for your thing" then the endgame is going to lead to yelling and screaming. Especially now that the room is far more crowded than years prior.
The new format
1. covers a lot more games
2. especially smaller more niche games
3. crew is free to bring up anything that stuck with them instead of say just music
4. with more finality (whether their opinions changed) than the weekly podcast sections
I like it
In previous years, the award categories inevitably leads to a handful of indie darlings and tentpole AAA getting discussed over and over
No, I think it's honest.You don't think Jeff telling everyone that the show and format they've done for years that everyone loved is "done" isn't an FU?
I don't actually remember the feedback last year being all that negative- it was measured, sure, with hopes of improvement, but I don't remember even half the levels of vitriol we've had today.I think the problem many have is that last year's GOTY got such negative feedback and they just kept it exactly the same. Change is not a problem.
No, I think it's honest.
I don't actually remember the feedback last year being all that negative- it was measured, sure, with hopes of improvement, but I don't remember even half the levels of vitriol we've had today.
Jeff explained why they have kept the format from last year on his blog, for those who miss it: https://jeff.zone/post/189833671601/hey-man-why-the-decision-to-keep-this-new-format
This is a really really bad postThe problem with 2017 was two relatively new staffers taking things too seriously and getting disrespectful to each other. Go listen to 2011 and 2012 where they had the same format but everyone was respectful.
They over reacted to that and in the process lost a lot of what was special and unique about giant bombs goty.
Nah dude, GOTY season used to be when i hated Brad for a few days because the dude year in year out would act like a petulant child to get his way at least once a year and then get mad if anyone else tried the same shtick he does.The problem with 2017 was two relatively new staffers taking things too seriously and getting disrespectful to each other. Go listen to 2011 and 2012 where they had the same format but everyone was respectful.
They over reacted to that and in the process lost a lot of what was special and unique about giant bombs goty.
But it did, and it was slowly leading to that over the years prior. When the entire framing of a thing is "Fight to death for your thing" then the endgame is going to lead to yelling and screaming. Especially now that the room is far more crowded than years prior.
I don't think so!?Is there a way to constructively and calmly tell them we prefer the old format?
For example? Like, that's not a Bombcast question...
Then why have a set up at all lolHonestly the couch argument is always weird to me, like sure you can like the set up better but in the end it would be the exact same content that is at the desk except at the couch.
Nah dude, GOTY season used to be when i hated Brad for a few days because the dude year in year out would act like a petulant child to get his way at least once a year and then get mad if anyone else tried the same shtick he does.
2017 wasnt an outlier, its what the old format was increasingly building towards. If you want to pretend it was all sunshine and roses till 2017 then i dont know why youre so mad they changed format cus you clearly werent listening to them.
Fathom it or not, there's a reason there's a GB GOTY thread and it's because the shows used to attract people who didn't usually listen to their podcast. Clearly there was something there.I just cannot fathom why people don't want to hear about more games for longer, and would rather have a 20 minute segment on "Best game that was purple" so they can talk about the one game that they liked that was hella purple instead. Like, the posts in this thread would have you believe that today's three and a half hour podcast was them reading the damn wiki entry for each game, and not discussing the positives and negatives and experiences. If you only care about the 'result' and not the discussion part, then the podcasts/shows were never for you, they'll publish a list at the end either way. This format results in us getting 15 minute deep dives into kingdom hearts from Jan, which we would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS get under the old formula - nobody would mention the game a single time. Instead we'd be talking about the same 20 games for every category.
No, I think it's honest.
I don't actually remember the feedback last year being all that negative- it was measured, sure, with hopes of improvement, but I don't remember even half the levels of vitriol we've had today.