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German Federal Elections 2021 - 20th Bundestag
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so you think he was just being tactical about the question? it was a shitty question anyway, RRG is a pipe dream at this point with linke struggling to even get over 5%. his response makes sense if he wants to get more cdu voters on his side but man, i'm not forcing myself and swallowing my pride to vote spd just so i can have another round of groko that's for sure. i'm not sure how much votes will change a couple weeks before election but i feel like the results are more or less clear. it's either going to be jamaika, ampel or annother round of groko. the thing that makes me the most depressed is how lindner appearently is rooting for laschet and cdu and i feel like fdp is going to be the deciding factor of who is going to be in the goverment.
As expected. I would vote Linke if they would just concentrate on domestic issues.
My views are hard domestic socialist with a patriotic EU stance.
I am for a united, one-government FEDERAL European Union with one currency, one federal bank, one EU Army, and a Länderfinanzausgleich.
While domestically it should be done everything for more economic equality, a bigger social net, a Grundeinkommen, even more customer protection, and a harder stance against mega-corporations, higher taxation for the rich and lesser loopholes.
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Was he being tactical? I would guess so. But I also think that he would prefer a GroKo. He was in favour of it all the time and is a conservative inside the SPD.
Not sure how that's true when the numbers in the polls are there. 7% is pretty bad, but I dont think Linke are going to miss the 5%.
And if the choice ends up Ampel vs. RRG, I'm fairly confident we will get RRG simply because of Lindner.
Using the last poll numbers posted in here, i don't think a SPD/CDU coalition has enought seats. They would need another party in the coalition.
It's basically a pretty visible hint for everyone that the country is done with CDU/SPD grand coalitions. Even before the drop of the CDU, due to how weak the SPD was.
That is true, but in the end it's a decision by the party base and it's leadership. And with a leadership consisting of Esken, Walter-Borjans and Kühnert, i think this is pretty much out of the question.
where do you have the numbers from? i checked the last sonntagsfrage from forsa which has spd at 23%, grüne at 18% and linke at 6%. where are the remaining 4% supposed to come from? also i don't trust the cdu at 21%, people are mad right now but germans in general are scared of change. wenn am wahltag die rentnerheime aufmachen they will all make their cross for cdu. springer presse will also probably go all in for laschet very soon. looking at the number for the greens depresses the hell out of me, they were at 27% just a couple months ago.
Mögliche Koalitionen nach der Bundestagswahl 2025 - Wahlen.info
Zuletzt aktualisiert: 09.01.2024 Seit 1961 konnte keine Partei die absolute Mehrheit im Deutschen Bundestag erreichen. Seitdem hat immer eine der folgenden fünf Koalitionen regiert (nach Häufigkeit aufgelistet): Schwarz-gelbe Koalition (CDU/CSU + FDP) Große Koalition (CDU/CSU + SPD)...
www.bundestagswahl-2021.de
You dont need to reach 50% of votes for a coalition. You need 50% of parliament seats which is different because Sonstige dont get seats in the parliament.
Yeah, if he'd be asked whether he wants a Ampel or just RG vs. Groko then he'd answer the question differently. Stupid question though.
They only need ~1% moving to them from the other parties in the latest poll to have enough, so it might very well be possible.
With the Wahl-O-Mat I got 84,1% for Linke and Grüne. Not voting for Linke though.
SPD 64,6%
FDP 50%
CDU 35,4%
AFD 18,3%
This seems at least way more accurate than that vote swiper thing. Also it's funny how you just know some statements are only there because of the AFD.
SPD 64,6%
FDP 50%
CDU 35,4%
AFD 18,3%
This seems at least way more accurate than that vote swiper thing. Also it's funny how you just know some statements are only there because of the AFD.
you expected volt?As expected
all their members on twitter posted their Wahl-O-Mat results and got them trending.
Yeah. Got the same results for the europawahl and voted for them there too
I hope so! I know its a long shot but they are already in the dutch government and got a seat in the European Parliament, and in several local elections they were over 5
That's quite a sight.
1% above majority for RRG, aghh it's gonna be so tight. If only Linke could establish themselves at 7-8%
I hate the Wahlomat for Germany. I mean sure it gives a tendancy but in my opinion it is way to superficial, the topics are chosen rather subjectively and the yes/no answers don't give any room for details. It's just increidbly superficial for the official tool of the bpb. I remember a Wahlomat for the Baden Württemberg elections I think that didn't have a single question about topics that are important to me like rents and Digitalisierung.
I used a Wahlomat for the US elections and boy was it so much better than the german one. You didn't have just 37 rather randomly chosen questions but more than 100 and all categorized by topics. You had 5 questions about rent, 5 questions about immigration, a handful of questions about retirement and so on. Super specific questions about basically every important issue in the country.Also not only yes/no answers. The whole thing was so much more nuanced.
At the end you not only got a recommendation for the candidates but also an analysis of your political views and your position on the political spectrum.
The german Wahlomat is a joke compared to that and I wished the bpb would try a bit harder.
Anybody watched Markus Lanz yesterday? It was the most disgusting war propaganda I've seen on german TV. And by who? None other than Ulf fucking Poschardt. At the end he held a 20 minute monologue basically saying that the Afghanistan war was correct and pretty much should've never ended and basically that the West should always have the right to invade random countries to establish and protect human rights. Of course attacking Die Linke and Bartsch who was also attending. Bartsch then had the opportunity to answer in 2 fucking sentences and of course not without Lanz and Poschardt interrupting him constantly.
And I've never seen such a hittable face than that of Ulf Poschardt, jesus christ
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I will vote Die Linke, but don't really believe in RRG.
not sure. I think it will be Jamaika or Germany.
FDP won't do an Ampel.
and yes, Wahl-O-Mat is really bad.
like you said, number of questions is way to low and they are extremly shallow..
for example: who cares if you can have 2 citizenship?
how is this one of the more important topics??
Need CDU to go below 20% for extra lols
That's quite a sight.
Scholz isn't exactly anti austerity and there is still the constitutional debt brake. He's the architect of the harz reforms which gutted the german social systems in the early 00s.
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I really wanted to vote for Die Grünen this time, but after Baerbock's attacks against Die Linke, I don't think I will. I can't in good conscience give my vote to a party that is even just considering a coalition with CDU/CSU or FDP over Die Linke.
And I find this highly suspicious tbh. CDU/CSU and FDP are such evil, corrupt parties whose only purpose is to make the rich richer, and fuck over poor people, women, minorities and the whole planet... why the hell do Die Grünen think there is any potential at all? They have literally the opposite values compared to Die Grünen. Makes me think Baerbock & Co aren't that interested in real change. I know SPD / Scholz aren't either.
That's why I'm probably giving my vote to Die Linke this time.
And I find this highly suspicious tbh. CDU/CSU and FDP are such evil, corrupt parties whose only purpose is to make the rich richer, and fuck over poor people, women, minorities and the whole planet... why the hell do Die Grünen think there is any potential at all? They have literally the opposite values compared to Die Grünen. Makes me think Baerbock & Co aren't that interested in real change. I know SPD / Scholz aren't either.
That's why I'm probably giving my vote to Die Linke this time.
Grüne and CDU are closer than you think, at least the conservative wing of the Grüne, which Baerbock is a part of. I don't think any issues, beside climate policy, have such a high priority for the Grüne that they wouldn't form a coalition with the CDU because of it. For example Tax Reform. Die Grüne propose a new tax policy in their Wahlprogramm, which obviously isn't aligned with the FDP or CDU, but I don't think that it has such a high importance for them, that they would refuse a coalition with the CDU because they can't agree on tax reform.
So yeah I think you're right, Grüne would basically form a coalition with anyone in this election (bar AfD obviously) and the only thing that would be constant would be their climate policy. Socio economically, their priorities will change like a flag in the wind depending on their coalition partner. They are fine with taxing the rich in a RRG coalition but also fine with not taxing the rich in a Jamaika coalition
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i know that if I vote SPD again there is high chance they fuck their voters over once again with coalition negotiations
That's quite a sight.
The train conductors may be on strike but the Scholz train is full steam ahead
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New Poll:
Majority at 46,5% | 2/3-Majority at 62%
Kenia: 64%
DE: 58%
Ampel: 53%
Jamaica: 50%
RRG: 49%
GroKo: 47%
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Rot-Grün: 42%
Schwarz-Gelb: 33%
Majority at 46,5% | 2/3-Majority at 62%
Kenia: 64%
DE: 58%
Ampel: 53%
Jamaica: 50%
RRG: 49%
GroKo: 47%
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Rot-Grün: 42%
Schwarz-Gelb: 33%
Honestly, i'd rather have 4 wasted years with the FDP in an Ampel coalition then having Laschet stick-suck himself to the chancellor position like a tick for the next few elections.
Soooooo .... Laschet just presented his "Zukunftsteam". The youngest person there is 43 (i think), and yes, of course, Friedrich Merz is part of it for economy and finances.
Also, 6 out of those 8 are members of the "Mittelstands- und Wirtschaftsunion", basically a group within the party trying to feign economic competence, with Friedrich Merz being a board member of the group.
What do you think? I like one of the tweets i've read about it "Dieses Zukunftsteam fühlt sich so an als würde man auf dem Weg zum Schrottplatz nochmal volltanken.". ^^
Lol the rethoric play of Die Partei is unmatched. ^^
Also, 6 out of those 8 are members of the "Mittelstands- und Wirtschaftsunion", basically a group within the party trying to feign economic competence, with Friedrich Merz being a board member of the group.
What do you think? I like one of the tweets i've read about it "Dieses Zukunftsteam fühlt sich so an als würde man auf dem Weg zum Schrottplatz nochmal volltanken.". ^^
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Lol the rethoric play of Die Partei is unmatched. ^^
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I have to say its kinda satisfying seeing how Laschet tanks the Union. I hear people stating that he was able to turn around the vote in NRW but I don't believe that's just magically replicated in the Federal Election. I think the announcement of his "team" today is the final straw.
Not that I would want Scholz either. I kinda like the idea of a green government with a black junior partner, lol.
Not that I would want Scholz either. I kinda like the idea of a green government with a black junior partner, lol.
Große Koalition but with switched roles would be the dumbest thing the SPD could do, so I'm sure that is what's going to happen.
Kandidierendencheck für Erststimme
Just found out that you can do a "Wahl-O-Mat"-Style check for your direct candidates (Erststimme) as well on
https://www.kandidierendencheck.de
In my area most (relevant) candidates answered the questions and they are not the same as the Wahl-O-Mat questions.
Here is my result:
https://www.kandidierendencheck.de
In my area most (relevant) candidates answered the questions and they are not the same as the Wahl-O-Mat questions.
Here is my result:
Just found out that you can do a "Wahl-O-Mat"-Style check for your direct candidates (Erststimme) as well on
https://www.kandidierendencheck.de
In my area most (relevant) candidates answered the questions and they are not the same as the Wahl-O-Mat questions.
Here is my result:
That just makes me look even more "linksgrün versifft" 🤣
The meltdowns from CDU will be glorious on election evening. And the funny thing is that everyone and their grandma knew that they would collapse if they went for Laschet. 🤷♂️
That's quite a sight.
Deutsche Avengers aka CDU Zukunftsteam (including Merz and his views from 1990 lol)
If there was ever a picture that sums up complacency perfectly then it's this one.
Laschet's "future team" is ironic and depressing, the CDU for almost two decades have represented German stagnancy, and having Merz on economics, you gotta be fucking kidding me with this "future team" bullshit
the future team didn't depress me at all. it totally energized me. if this is all laschet had in store for the next couple weeks the cdu has lost. i don't see this team securing laschet a single percent more in the elections. i'm still worried of course. i'm reading welt.de comments and lots of people posting there still speculate that the cdu will end up with 30% in the end because "at the end of the day, when the average german voter sits alone in the booth and has time to think he/she is going to relucantly vote for cdu to stop a left wing goverment"
i don't know what the chances are, i don't trust the average german when it comes to voting and i don't trust the spd not turning on their voters in the end and doing a groko again (and doing nothing but "weiter so")... but maybe after 16 years of merkel people want a little bit of change. not a huge change of course but maybe some change. scholz is also undoubtedly a better candidate than the clown laschet, i think even most cdu voters secretly agree
i don't know what the chances are, i don't trust the average german when it comes to voting and i don't trust the spd not turning on their voters in the end and doing a groko again (and doing nothing but "weiter so")... but maybe after 16 years of merkel people want a little bit of change. not a huge change of course but maybe some change. scholz is also undoubtedly a better candidate than the clown laschet, i think even most cdu voters secretly agree
I also don't like the Wahl-O-Mat. There were questions about wind energy where I was thinking what do you actually mean? Yes, I do want wind energy to be supported but I don't think the current EEG law cuts it anymore, so not really sure what to vote there. A couple other questions were similar.
SPD came on top for me. I think we are in for an extremly long coalition forming process this time. FDP and Linke will decide the next government, and you may like it or not, but there will be concessions to be made to them to win any of them over. To me, the Ampel (SPD-Greens-FDP) is more likely than Jamaica (CDU/CSU-Greens-FDP) and RRG.
SPD came on top for me. I think we are in for an extremly long coalition forming process this time. FDP and Linke will decide the next government, and you may like it or not, but there will be concessions to be made to them to win any of them over. To me, the Ampel (SPD-Greens-FDP) is more likely than Jamaica (CDU/CSU-Greens-FDP) and RRG.
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