I have no problems with that line. It's not like the separatists are fullblown evil fuckers.
They were played. Especially when the Galactic Senate was (also) lead by Palpatine.
George Lucas explaining why Anakin says "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil."
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They were played. Especially when the Galactic Senate was (also) lead by Palpatine.
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Sand reminds him of his days in Tattoine where he was a slave. Being with Padme makes him feel the opposite of how sand makes him feel.
Also he's a virgin that's never kissed a girl at that point.
Okay well that was a solid explanation so thank you
lol it's kind of amazing how playing it that straight is so funny
This post is reminding me that in some strange way. I do actually rank the "The Room" as one of the greatest films ever made.
The 2nd child murder fest in fact (he also killed all those Sand People kids). Which, unlike the 2nd example, Padme totally knew about and decided to sleep with him immediately after.
I mean.... it worked?
Movie Padme isn't smart
Lucas was already a confirmed prophet when Trump was elected. THE UNITED STATES WILL BE REORGANIZED INTO THE FIRST TRUMPIAN EMPIRE, FOR A SAFE AND SECURE SOCIETY. WITH A GIANT WALL.
It's pretty much Kojima.
Great themes but terrible overall direction and plotlines.
George Lucas has always been progressive and liberal. Unfortunately he lacked the foresight in a lot of areas.
Maybe she appreciated the roller coaster of emotions pouring out of him -- the sobering, yet relatable low as he ponders the various aspects of sand, immediately followed by the thrilling high of learning that she is NOT LIKE sand!
He took her on a journey.
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Lucas gave Americans too much credit. Palpatine is a genius. Trump is your idiot, racist uncle.
People should just watch the entirety of George's interview with Charlie Rose to really gain some insight into his mind about Star Wars/etc.:
I like thinking that George, who married an amazing black woman, just always talks about white people with his wife like this at home and is actually woke as fuck
They aren't? The movies never tried to portrait them as something else than the evil fuckers and even uncivilized, see that planet in episode 2.
probably the dumbest line in all of star wars.
it's childish and stupid, which matches Prequel Anakin but I hate what they did with him.
Sith do not believe in good and evil, they don't care, they believe in weak and strong like fascists.
He should have said the Jedi are weak and useless.
Vader doesn't try do seduce Luke to the dark side by saying "From my point of view the Jedi are evil", he tells him the dark side is extremely powerful.
it's childish and stupid, which matches Prequel Anakin but I hate what they did with him.
Sith do not believe in good and evil, they don't care, they believe in weak and strong like fascists.
He should have said the Jedi are weak and useless.
Vader doesn't try do seduce Luke to the dark side by saying "From my point of view the Jedi are evil", he tells him the dark side is extremely powerful.
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Anakin is the biggest moron in the galaxy, he knows Darth Sidious tried to kill his wife multiple times and still sides with him? Makes no sense.
The "heroes on both sides thing" in the crawl feels like something from another dimension where these films actually established a credible reason for the Separatists to want to separate from the Republic, like years of neglect by the rich, selfish scumbags of Coruscant. Instead we just saw some rich Chinese aliens complaining about their taxes and that was it. There should have been a tragic element to the war with the poor, desperate systems tricked into Palpatine's cynical war, but there is no proper explanation for why any of this is happening.
The "heroes on both sides thing" in the crawl feels like something from another dimension where these films actually established a credible reason for the Separatists to want to separate from the Republic, like years of neglect by the rich, selfish scumbags of Coruscant. Instead we just saw some rich Chinese aliens complaining about their taxes and that was it. There should have been a tragic element to the war with the poor, desperate systems tricked into Palpatine's cynical war, but there is no proper explanation for why any of this is happening.
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The problem is that you can't just have your characters blatantly announce their internalized emotions and reasoning. That makes me mad!
(No, but seriously. The problem is, "From Anakin's point of view, the Jedi are evil" is a script direction given to an actor, and not a line an actor should be reading, much less something that should make it into the final cut of a film. The entire point of acting and dialogue writing is to try and take concepts like that and portray them to the audience in a way that doesn't seem so dumb.)
(No, but seriously. The problem is, "From Anakin's point of view, the Jedi are evil" is a script direction given to an actor, and not a line an actor should be reading, much less something that should make it into the final cut of a film. The entire point of acting and dialogue writing is to try and take concepts like that and portray them to the audience in a way that doesn't seem so dumb.)
At least Clone Wars did a pretty good job with that. It actually showed a version of Anakin that wasn't a complete asshat the entire time.
I feel like half of the character development in the prequel trilogy is said characters talking about shit that you never get to see.
Well that gets back to the larger issue of how the prequels basically jettisoned the idea of Anakin being seduced by the dark side as established in the OT. Instead the prequels have him essentially blackmailed into turning and then inexplicably deciding to roll with it once all the pretenses that got him there end up going to shit. It's such a wierldy tortured series of events for something that ultimately makes no sense.
Yup. The themes in the PT are good and I enjoy them for that.
But the whole execution of Anakin becoming Vader is bad. After Anaking cuts off Mace's hands and Palpatine pushes him out the window. Anakin is visibly shaken, upset and knows he's done something wrong. Not even two seconds later Anakin is on his knees pledging loyalty to Palpatine with no issue. No conflict at all.
I mean, you always see the enemy as evil. Vader's enemy is the Jedi, so therefor they are evil. There doesn't need to be some complex ideological differences for the statement. He is brainwashed, thats it.
The real problem is the line itself imo. It more comes off as edgy teen screaming, "I HATE YOU MOM AND DAD!"
The real problem is the line itself imo. It more comes off as edgy teen screaming, "I HATE YOU MOM AND DAD!"
Honestly I admire the fact that Mace was willing to say "To hell with the code, he will kill us all and establish a fascist dictatorship if we don't kill him first"
and it's not like Anakin wasn't a rule breaker in the first place.
Bitch, you got married, and commited genocide. The fuck do you think it isn't the jedi way when Palpatine just spun and killed 2 jedi knights while cackling like a maniac.
I've never had a problem with the 'Jedi is evil' line though. It's hilarious, and fits with him already so twisted and succumbing to the dark side that he force choked Padme just because Obi was in the ship with her.
Yeeeah but this doesn't really hold up at all, given he is absolutely taken dead seriously in ESB and ROTJ, to the point that the only man more feared and bowed to is the Emperor himself. Nor does he particularly come off as any sort of manchild in ESB/ROTJ. ANH is an anomaly that he's not the lead villain nor the guy in charge, and it's not out of some character arc, it's just because Darth Vader, as was his name, was just a bad guy who killed Luke's dad and not the main villain when ANH was written.They definitely are in that they're both man-children.
Vader force choking people who get him angry is pretty much what Anakin represses himself from doing until he finally has a big enough outburt that he uses it on his wife.
Also Darth Vader's voicebox makes everything he says sound badass even when it's not.
Given how written by the seat of his pants the OT and the PT both were I can't see a point in trying to see character arcs that aren't there.
Aye.
Not to mention someone posted that George Lucas wants Hayden to act like a whiny teenager. It was dumb of him for that.
It's a dumb line, but I see where he was going with it. Of course, if you embrace a certain ideology...you're going to perceive it to be the correct one. If you feel you're righteous, it's up to others to convince you otherwise.
Thank you!
This is exactly what I was trying (but failing) to get at earlier in the conversation with Antrax
- FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE DEMOCRATS ARE EVIL.
- Then you are lost.
~ Somewhere on Twitter or something
- Then you are lost.
~ Somewhere on Twitter or something
The guy who referred to a company as "white slavers", came up with a group named "sand people" and wrote a racist caricature as a comedic relief character for children thinks that the space nazis were only as bad as the virtuous heroes? Shocked, guys. I am shocked.
Yeah. It's still clumsy and unnatural wording. Replace it with "Are the Jedi any different?" and it makes the same point, but sounds more like something somebody would actually say.
Initially it did, yeah. Over time it's been shown through extra material (most of which is non-canon anymore but hey, what can ya do) that there's a bit more to it than that. Force users like Luke, Revan, and Ahsoka kinda fall somewhere in the middle of the alignments because the Jedi are extremely restrictive while the Sith are power hungry and self-destructive.
It was blatantly clear that Palpatine was up to some shit but because he treated Anakin with kindness and claimed to have knowledge that could help him and Padme, Anakin was more willing to let it slide, so when the Jedi Order basically used him as a political piece by giving him the rank of master as a cover to appease Palpatine and had him spy on Palpatine for them, it was easier for him to shift the blame to them. Once he disarms Windu, there's really no going back so he retreats even further into that belief that the Jedi are corrupt in order to justify his actions, but he also planned on betraying Palpatine so in his head it would all work out in the end.
On the other end of that, the Sith have their code of conduct hard-wired to self destruct. Only allowing your way of life to be utilized by two people at any given time, one of whom is constantly attempting to kill the other, is a poor way to preserve your culture. On top of that, Palpatine's contingency plan in the event of his death was "if I can't rule the empire, no one can"
You're better off figuring things out for yourself as a force user
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Uh, that's not what is being said. This is Anakin's perspective not the director's perspective.
Writers and directors never insert their perspectives into stories. Never, ever.